Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-15 Thread sebb
On 15/03/2009, Gary Gregory wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 4:32 AM > > To: Commons Developers List > > Subject: Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out &

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-15 Thread Gary Gregory
> -Original Message- > From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 4:32 AM > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > > On 15/03/2009, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > -Original

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-15 Thread James Carman
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:58 AM, James Carman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, sebb wrote: >> I've just discovered one minor issue - EntriesPerformanceTest. This is >> in the main lang directory, but not in the LangTestSuite - >> deliberately, I suspect, as it take over 100 seconds on my

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-15 Thread James Carman
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, sebb wrote: > I've just discovered one minor issue - EntriesPerformanceTest. This is > in the main lang directory, but not in the LangTestSuite - > deliberately, I suspect, as it take over 100 seconds on my system. > > Perhaps it could be moved into a different pac

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-15 Thread sebb
On 15/03/2009, Gary Gregory wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Henri Yandell [mailto:flame...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:05 PM > > To: Commons Developers List > > Subject: Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > &

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Gary Gregory
> -Original Message- > From: Henri Yandell [mailto:flame...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:05 PM > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Gary Gregory >

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Matt Benson
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, Gary Gregory wrote: > From: Gary Gregory > Subject: RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > To: "Commons Developers List" > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:39 PM > > -Original Message- > > From: Matt Benson [mai

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jörg Schaible >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:29 PM >> To: dev@commons.apache.org >> Subject: RE: [lang] 3.0, what'

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Gary Gregory
> -Original Message- > From: news [mailto:n...@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jörg Schaible > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:29 PM > To: dev@commons.apache.org > Subject: RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > > Gary Gregory wrote: > > >>

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Henri Yandell [mailto:flame...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:21 AM >> To: Commons Developers List >> Subject: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's ou

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
 >> To: Commons Developers List >>  >> Subject: Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out >>  >> > >> >> >> >  And the various other backwards incompatible changes that people have >>  >> >  been requesting. >>  

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
Sure. Split on a new thread, or if the previous thread ended up with good concrete direction then make JIRA tickets and add patches. [Not that you shouldn't commit... adding a patch on JIRA first seems to work well for discussions]. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Oliver Heger wrote: > May I rep

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
Process: * Mail list if you want feedback to sanity check the idea. If it survives that: * Open up a JIRA ticket, post the code as a patch, discuss :) On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Matt Benson wrote: > > I'd like to add a TypeUtils to the reflect subpackage, to provide as much > help as pos

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread sebb
On 14/03/2009, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Gary Gregory wrote: > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:52 AM > >> To: Commons Developers List > >> Subject: Re: [lang] 3

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Paul Benedict
Jorg, nothing is wrong with that. I missed that option. Thanks for pointing it out. Paul On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Oliver Heger wrote: > May I repeat my proposal [1] to add some utility classes related to > concurrency? > > Oliver > > [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@commons.apache.org

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Oliver Heger
May I repeat my proposal [1] to add some utility classes related to concurrency? Oliver [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@commons.apache.org/msg08095.html Henri Yandell schrieb: Starting up a thread for cleanup discussions on Lang. I've removed the enum (was a blocker on JDK 5) and enums (

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Jörg Schaible
Paul Benedict wrote: > I am -1 on removing the enums package. It's still a useful design > pattern even if Java 5 has native enum support. As one of the > responsers noted, and as do I, I have used Apache Enum extensively and > would not put the burden on developers to remove it just yet. > Deprec

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Jörg Schaible
Gary Gregory wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:52 AM >> To: Commons Developers List >> Subject: Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out >> > >> > And the var

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Paul Benedict
I am -1 on removing the enums package. It's still a useful design pattern even if Java 5 has native enum support. As one of the responsers noted, and as do I, I have used Apache Enum extensively and would not put the burden on developers to remove it just yet. Deprecate the package for 3.0 and kill

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Gary Gregory
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Benson [mailto:gudnabr...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:36 PM > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > > > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Gary Gregory wrote: > &g

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Gary Gregory
> -Original Message- > From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:52 AM > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > > On 14/03/2009, Henri Yandell wrote: > > Starting up a t

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Matt Benson
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, Gary Gregory wrote: > From: Gary Gregory > Subject: RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > To: "Commons Developers List" > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:19 PM > > -Original Message- > > From: Matt Benson [mailto:gud

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Gary Gregory
> -Original Message- > From: Henri Yandell [mailto:flame...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:21 AM > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > > Starting up a thread for cleanup discussions on Lang. Thanks fo

RE: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Gary Gregory
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Benson [mailto:gudnabr...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:57 AM > To: Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out > > > I'd like to add a TypeUtils to the reflect s

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Matt Benson
nable test would normally be used in preparation for e.g. a reflection-based method call autoboxing should have been a safe assumption to begin with, but anyway...). -Matt --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Henri Yandell wrote: > From: Henri Yandell > Subject: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what'

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Henri Yandell wrote: I've removed the enum (was a blocker on JDK 5) and enums (people need to use real enums now) packages from Lang's trunk and moved them to a lang-backcompat sibling component. I've not made it a branch, it lives at the same level as trunk and will need its future to be decided

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Luc Maisonobe wrote: Fraction is up for debate. Do we cede this to Commons Math. Sure it might add another jar to some people's code, but probably good for them to be more aware of Math. There is already a Fraction class in [math]. I'm not sure if it should be removed from [lang]. If it was put

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Henri Yandell a écrit : > Starting up a thread for cleanup discussions on Lang. > > I've removed the enum (was a blocker on JDK 5) and enums (people need > to use real enums now) packages from Lang's trunk and moved them to a > lang-backcompat sibling component. I've not made it a branch, it lives

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread sebb
On 14/03/2009, Henri Yandell wrote: > Starting up a thread for cleanup discussions on Lang. > > I've removed the enum (was a blocker on JDK 5) and enums (people need > to use real enums now) packages from Lang's trunk and moved them to a > lang-backcompat sibling component. I've not made it a b

Re: [lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
FYI, I've removed the LangTwo 1.0 version from JIRA. 3.0 is the place to work on those features. We can then solve naming when we're ready to release. Hen On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: > Starting up a thread for cleanup discussions on Lang. -

[lang] 3.0, what's in; what's out

2009-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
Starting up a thread for cleanup discussions on Lang. I've removed the enum (was a blocker on JDK 5) and enums (people need to use real enums now) packages from Lang's trunk and moved them to a lang-backcompat sibling component. I've not made it a branch, it lives at the same level as trunk and wi