Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-28 Thread Daan Hoogland
suffer OpenStack's faith - which > is what they go through now - of only specific version x.y.z module can > work with another x.y.z module. > > Regards > ilya > > > -Original Message- > > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] > >

RE: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-26 Thread Musayev, Ilya
work with another x.y.z module. Regards ilya > -Original Message- > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:57 AM > To: dev > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or > revamp release process &g

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-26 Thread Daan Hoogland
Some more remarks on this: Another model is of keeping quality high is controlling what gets in per release. This would go against the opensource model somewhat. You would need e release manager like me and I strongly advice against that. Giving users more control on what goes into their system i

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-25 Thread David Nalley
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Musayev, Ilya wrote: > We can still use scheduled release as we do now and yet have some agility. > > An idea was passed around before if we can modularize ACS in future releases > VS being it monolithic. > > We can still have a core as is, but additional compone

RE: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-25 Thread Musayev, Ilya
ot;plugins" (or whatever the proper term is) would ease the release cycle and give us flexibility in my opinion. > -Original Message- > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:22 PM > To: dev > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] mov

Fwd: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-25 Thread Mike Tutkowski
Accidentally just sent this to Daan. -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike Tutkowski Date: Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process To: Daan Hoogland I think that would be a really good use of a

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-25 Thread Daan Hoogland
itial problem (because something didn't >> work >> > in master). >> > >> > Again, I don't claim to have any solution for this problem, but I am >> happy >> > to help brainstorm. >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 24, 20

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-24 Thread Mike Tutkowski
; > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Marcus Sorensen > >wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: Marcus S

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-24 Thread Daan Hoogland
; > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: Marcus Sorensen [mailto:shadow...@gmail.com] > > >> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:25 PM > > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > >> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] move away from

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-24 Thread Mike Tutkowski
lto:shadow...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:25 PM > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp > >> release process > >> > >> On Sep 23, 2013 1:03 PM, &

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-24 Thread David Nalley
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:00:32AM -0600, Marcus Sorensen wrote: >> I guess I'm in the minority though, since we're the >> only ones discussing it. > > No you are not. Personally, I'm thinking about this problem a bit > before adding my 2 c

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-24 Thread Daan Hoogland
is this work a workshop to get at least a core group of us in line. We all have ideas and a lot of good ones are buried under an ton weighing archive of mails. Daan On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:00:32AM -0600, Marcus Sorensen wrote: >> I guess

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-24 Thread Chip Childers
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:00:32AM -0600, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > I guess I'm in the minority though, since we're the > only ones discussing it. No you are not. Personally, I'm thinking about this problem a bit before adding my 2 cents. Don't take that silence as thinking we are "ok". Short ve

Re: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-24 Thread Marcus Sorensen
ailto:shadow...@gmail.com] >> > > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:38 AM >> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > Subject: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp >> > > release process >> > > >> > >

RE: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-23 Thread Marcus Sorensen
On Sep 23, 2013 1:03 PM, "Animesh Chaturvedi" wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Marcus Sorensen [mailto:shadow...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:38 AM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: [PROPOSAL]

RE: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-23 Thread Animesh Chaturvedi
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus Sorensen [mailto:shadow...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:38 AM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp > release process > > Guys, I think w

RE: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-23 Thread Animesh Chaturvedi
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus Sorensen [mailto:shadow...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:25 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp > release process > > On Sep 23

[PROPOSAL] move away from time-based releases and/or revamp release process

2013-09-23 Thread Marcus Sorensen
Guys, I think we are not currently in a state to handle time-based releases. Until we can cut master at any time and have it releasable, or at least at a reasonable RC-level matching minimum tested requirements, it's just going to continue to be an exercise in frustration to cut RCs simply becaus