Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-20 Thread Eric Evans
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 21:14 +, Stephen Connolly wrote: > so to be clear, april 9th is feature complete for 0.8.0 and then start > stabilisation... Yes > ...and when might we see a 0.7.1 Before then. Well before. Soon. -- Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-20 Thread Stephen Connolly
so to be clear, april 9th is feature complete for 0.8.0 and then start stabilisation... and when might we see a 0.7.1 or am I completely confused? ... trying to plan splitting the jar into parts, and delivering ever build tweaks for allowing abny dev to push release to central repository ;-) -

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-20 Thread Clint Byrum
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 10:19 -0800, Ryan King wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Eric Evans wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 10:29 -0600, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Eric Evans wrote: > >> > The discussion seems to be petering out and I wonder if that means

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-20 Thread Eric Evans
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 10:19 -0800, Ryan King wrote: > Seems reasonable to me, though I think the release date can be a bit > more flexible (while the freeze date shouldn't be). In other words, if > we feature freeze and branch on April 9th, then we're ready to ship > before May 9th, we should just

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-20 Thread Ryan King
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Eric Evans wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 10:29 -0600, Jonathan Ellis wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Eric Evans wrote: >> > The discussion seems to be petering out and I wonder if that means folks >> > are still trying to wrap their heads around every

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-20 Thread Eric Evans
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 10:29 -0600, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Eric Evans wrote: > > The discussion seems to be petering out and I wonder if that means folks > > are still trying to wrap their heads around everything, or if we have > > consensus. > > > > If we're in a

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-19 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Eric Evans wrote: > The discussion seems to be petering out and I wonder if that means folks > are still trying to wrap their heads around everything, or if we have > consensus. > > If we're in agreement on 4 months between releases, and feature-freezing > branche

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-18 Thread Eric Evans
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 13:11 -0600, Eric Evans wrote: > > Everyone on chrome commits to trunk first. I think the important > > change we could make is to keep everyone closer to trunk. We spend a > > good deal of effort back-porting patches between major versions. I > > think we should make the majo

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-16 Thread Clint Byrum
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 13:11 -0600, Eric Evans wrote: > On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 14:32 -0800, Ryan King wrote: > > # Fixed schedule > > > > We should set a fixed schedule and stick to it. Anything features not > > ready at branch time won't make it and will be disabled in the stable > > branch. > > I

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-14 Thread Eric Evans
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 14:32 -0800, Ryan King wrote: > # Fixed schedule > > We should set a fixed schedule and stick to it. Anything features not > ready at branch time won't make it and will be disabled in the stable > branch. In general, I agree, if we want a cadence, we're going to have to exer

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-13 Thread Ryan King
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Ryan King wrote: >> # Fixed schedule >> >> We should set a fixed schedule and stick to it. Anything features not >> ready at branch time won't make it and will be disabled in the stable >> branch. > > I like

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Ellis
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Ryan King wrote: > # Fixed schedule > > We should set a fixed schedule and stick to it. Anything features not > ready at branch time won't make it and will be disabled in the stable > branch. I like this idea, as long as we're willing to be flexible when warranted

Re: Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-13 Thread Ryan King
To be more clear, here's what I think is broken in the current release planning: 1. The dates are wildly unpredictable 2. People aren't allowed to work against trunk on features for multiple iterations (see #1072) 3. Stable branches diverge too much, causing duplicated effort. (we essentially impl

Proposal: fixed release schedule

2011-01-13 Thread Ryan King
I think many believe that shipping 0.7 took longer than it should. Rather than going into why that happened, I'd like to propose a better way to move forward that will hopefully allow us to ship on a more predictable schedule. This proposal is heavily influenced by the google chrome release process