Re: [Proposal] Modify release process to vote only on source release

2021-01-21 Thread Neal Richardson
elease > process and its verification in a nightly bases then we shouldn't have > any major surprises. > In my ideal world, cutting a release is a formality, and release verification never fails because we essentially release and verify every night. We should work towards that.

Re: [Proposal] Modify release process to vote only on source release

2021-01-21 Thread Krisztián Szűcs
lease will be blocked. > > > > I sill think that implementing continuous (nightly) release > verification is needed and maintained. If we keep green > release verification, we'll always be able to cut a RC > without problems. I would like this approach more. If we could sim

Re: [Proposal] Modify release process to vote only on source release

2021-01-20 Thread Sutou Kouhei
tion test failure, our release will be blocked. I sill think that implementing continuous (nightly) release verification is needed and maintained. If we keep green release verification, we'll always be able to cut a RC without problems. Thanks, -- kou In "[Proposal] Modify release

Re: [Proposal] Modify release process to vote only on source release

2021-01-19 Thread Neal Richardson
Agreed, there are multiple issues to resolve in order for our release process to be manageable and scalable for the project. This procedural change is not a silver bullet, and if we agree to it, it doesn't mean that our releases are "fixed". But it's the only change where the solution is a discussi

Re: [Proposal] Modify release process to vote only on source release

2021-01-19 Thread Wes McKinney
I'm OK with moving to source only releases, but we need to take a step back and consider how our CI/CD is failing to notify us in a suitably timely and automated way about the packages being broken. For example, the fact that we had 2 failed RCs as the result of packaging issues points to a broken

[Proposal] Modify release process to vote only on source release

2021-01-19 Thread Neal Richardson
Hi all, Over the past year, there's been a lot of discussion around the challenges we face as a project in doing releases. Because they are costly to do, we don't do them often; because we don't do them often, they become even costlier. There are only a small number of people (PMC members with GPG