Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2024-11-17 Thread Jaikiran Pai
Hello Maarten, Thank you for volunteering your time for maintaining the Ivy project. This is good news indeed. To summarize, the Ivy project will continue to be part of the Apache Ant PMC. Maarten, who's already part of the Ant PMC has volunteered to help maintain it. Given this, the plan to

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2024-11-17 Thread Gary Gregory
That's great to hear Maarten. Gary On Sun, Nov 17, 2024, 5:41 AM Maarten Coene wrote: > Hi all, > > good news, there will be no vote to retire the project for now. > I will maintain the Ivy project (but extra volunteers are still very > welcome !). > I'll try to look into some of the open issue

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2024-11-17 Thread Maarten Coene
Hi all, good news, there will be no vote to retire the project for now. I will maintain the Ivy project (but extra volunteers are still very welcome !).  I'll try to look into some of the open issues and pull requests in the next coming weeks and create a new release after that. Maarten Op

Re: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2024-10-08 Thread D'Anjou, Martin
Developers List Cc: u...@ant.apache.org ; ivy-u...@ant.apache.org Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE Hello everyone, Here's an update to this discussion - for reasons noted in this discussion, the Ant PMC no longer has the ability to maintain Ivy project. This threa

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2024-10-08 Thread Jaikiran Pai
Hello everyone, Here's an update to this discussion - for reasons noted in this discussion, the Ant PMC no longer has the ability to maintain Ivy project. This thread was started more than a year back and we were hoping that if there was enough interest then there would be some proposals to f

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-12-04 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Hi Eric On 2023-12-04, Eric Milles wrote: > It sounds to me like Ivy and IvyDE -- even as a retired subproject -- should > move out from under Apache Ant. Just for my clarity, is Apache Ivy a > top-level project or a subproject of Apache Ant? The top level ASF project here is "Apache Ant" and

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-12-04 Thread Craig Hunt
If this happens I will donate and admin a new MySDK.org website for the ASF FOSS user group community. I am a major fan of ANT and see IVY and Eclipse IDE bridge as critical. I will set up an email contact for me tonight at r...@mysdk.org if you to reach me in the future. Kind regards. m...@craighu

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-12-04 Thread Eric Milles
Hello, I was just made aware of this discussion and thought I would share a bit. We use Ant+Ivy and Eclipse+IvyDE here (Thomson Reuters) to support dozens of java projects. IvyDE has been working very well for the past many years and I have only minor issues with it form time to time. Mostly

Re: Trying my hands at an ivy-updatesite (was Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE)

2023-11-20 Thread Jason Guild
Hi Stefan: Thanks for trying this out. I can confirm that I was able to just now update my version of the ivy lib+ant tasks to latest 2.5.2 with Eclipse 2022-03, using the updatesite you published at the URL you linked in the last message. However, the updatesite you generated contained only

Re: Trying my hands at an ivy-updatesite (was Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE)

2023-11-20 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
> Le 19 nov. 2023 à 18:16, Stefan Bodewig a écrit : > > On 2023-09-05, Nicolas Lalevée wrote: > >> And we tried our best to be opened on how to build and release the >> plugin and the updatesite, it is documented [2]. On my machine which >> just have Ant and Java installed, I just tried and I

Trying my hands at an ivy-updatesite (was Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE)

2023-11-19 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2023-09-05, Nicolas Lalevée wrote: > And we tried our best to be opened on how to build and release the > plugin and the updatesite, it is documented [2]. On my machine which > just have Ant and Java installed, I just tried and I have been able to > build of the updatesite with the last release

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-09-05 Thread Nicolas Lalevée
Hi there, I used to be involved, especially in IvyDE, and as many, my build tools and my IDE changed (for the IDE I am glad, not for the build tools…). So I had no particular interest of doing any maintenance, so much that lost track of the last releases of Ivy, where I could help. Many many th

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-29 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2023-08-28, Cohen, Ross wrote: > Perhaps someone from the Ant team can poke the Eclipse people and tell > them that there are devs/teams that will simply move to another IDE > rather than give up Ant/Ivy/IvyIDE; it might be very much in their > best interest to put a dev part time on Ivy/IvyIDE

RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-28 Thread Cohen, Ross
sage- From: s.an...@infass.com.INVALID Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 12:45 PM To: ivy-u...@ant.apache.org; dev@ant.apache.org Cc: u...@ant.apache.org Subject: RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE This email originated from outside of the organization. Use caution when replying, opening attachment(s)

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-28 Thread Gary Gregory
I was a long-time Ant + Ivy and IvyDE. At work, we finally switched one of our products to Maven. We have at least one other product that still uses Ant + Ivy, I'm not sure what that team operates as an IDE. >From my POV, you can't effectively and sanely develop using Ivy *without* IDE support, in

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-28 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2023-08-22, Jason Guild wrote: > I can confirm that in the not very distant past there were multiple > people (including myself) who submitted pull requests for Ivy to both > make improvements as well as address bugs. They were left to rot for > far too long. This is unfortunate. In a way this

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-28 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Hi sorry for my bad timing sending out an email and then being unbale to answer for days. This is not what I intended. Let me try to answer what I've seen so far. And I'll try to keep my personal opinion out this time. It is pretty obvious Ivy is used today and maybe even loved by some. This is

Re: [**EXTERNAL**] RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-23 Thread LINUS FERNANDES
h scenarios, and > > apparently without touching its core. > > > > So I hope Ivy has a future. > > > > Martin > > > > -Original Message- > > From: s.an...@infass.com.INVALID > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 12:45 PM > > To: ivy-u...@ant

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-23 Thread Jörn Guy Süß
Please read the following in full, as I am starting my argument not at Ivy itself, but it is still the focus of this response. I think the core shortcoming of Ant is its inability to bootstrap easily in a portable manner. You cannot simply use a build file and say 'go build' as you have to install

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread Jaikiran Pai
I agree with what Stefan notes in his mail. Some years back when I started contributing to Ivy, I realized that the documentation (formal or informal) related to the internal implementation details of Ivy is non-existent. Sometimes I had to select a file, go over its commit history then go read

Re: [**EXTERNAL**] RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread Vladimir Grabarchuk
re. > > Martin > > -Original Message- > From: s.an...@infass.com.INVALID > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 12:45 PM > To: ivy-u...@ant.apache.org; dev@ant.apache.org > Cc: u...@ant.apache.org > Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE > > Hi, > >

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread Jason Guild
Hi all: IMO, it would be a shame to lose Ivy as a much simpler alternative to Maven. It works well and I think there is very much still room for a dependency management tool that focuses on just that and not all the other things that Maven does. I am thankful for your work on it, Stefan. I ca

RE: [**EXTERNAL**] RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread D'Anjou, Martin
e.org; dev@ant.apache.org Cc: u...@ant.apache.org Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE Hi, I can't really discuss how many developers use Ivy and how it is difficult to maintain this project if there is not enough maintainers... But I can give hints about our usage in our co

RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread s.andre
nt.apache.org Cc : u...@ant.apache.org; ivy-u...@ant.apache.org Objet : Future of Ivy and IvyDE Hi all before I get to the actual content of this mail: * I'm cross-posting to three lists but I ask you to keep responses to dev@ant only (and join the list if necessary) if you want to respond. *

Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Hi all before I get to the actual content of this mail: * I'm cross-posting to three lists but I ask you to keep responses to dev@ant only (and join the list if necessary) if you want to respond. * what I write is my personal opinion and not shared by the PMC as a whole. The people on the PM