I hope you guys are not serious about inflicting this on your users.
If you want to simplify things, the gnome guys already did it for you
years ago, with spatial nautilus (you know, the default nautilus mode
that Ubuntu specifically patched out to not be the default?), which was
the hallmark of s
I dislike the idea of a switching button, it seems indecisive.
If you take a look at the explorer breadcrumbs link i posted previously the
idea is that there is no need for a toggle button, click a location to go
back/forward, double click to convert to text, arrows in between to allow
branching f
I much prefer the having the button to switch between breadcrumbs and
text url. We're talking about getting rid of redundancy, if we have
both, it's just plain horrible. If you use the button that switches the
breadcrumbs to the text, it stays that way when you open nautilus next
time. Also, if the
i agree with seamus : Let the Location bar distinct to display large paths
Besides :
- improve nautilus search http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428568
- Sidebar should categorize items displayed with headings
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=508404
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My two user`s cents:
1. Let the Location bar distinct : it allows to display large paths
and
2. Let the Location bar distinct : it allows to display LARGE PATHS!
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> Even better, allow full customization of the toolbar like Firefox
does.
Working on it :) For more info see [1] or look at the WIP screenshot [2]
[1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42834
[2] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=138712&action=view
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To those who advocate removing the 'up' button: I disagree. It was
removed in Windows Vista, and someone had to make a shareware app to put
it back in. There are those of us who think linearly, and who use the
location bar by default. For us, it is a lot faster to use the up
button than to use b
concerning my comment 130,
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indeed
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Mounted media is already in side-panel, So there is no need for this
fake "computer" thing anywhere
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Besides i've never find the Nautilus Search UI to be intuitive. It's very hard
to understand as far as i'm concerned.
Maybe the only Search button/entry effect should be to launch a dedicated
application (gnome-search-tool today (or a GUI for Beagle/Tracker), Zeitgeist
tomorrow for instance) ?
The upstream bug for a toolbar editor will not solve everything since
everybody here seems agree to say that Home and Computer should be only
in sidepane and sidepane is not configurable to add Computer
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mac_v, as far as I know Ubuntu doesn't want to have a lot of patches to drag
along, so continue working on this is just a waste of time, correct David?
But if Ubuntu would like to have patch for this I'd be willing to help.
The upstream bug for a toolbar editor is at [1] and there is an old
patch
@Marcus Carlson: So does that mean this bug can be closed?
What about your ppa? would you stop working on it?
Either way, really appreciate the effort you took so far for this bug. :)
Also, any links/reports or discussions regarding the toolbar editor work
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Feel free to ask them :-)
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Will they not even consider changes to the location of the zoom options nor
the stop/reset amalgamation as those wouldn't really be fixed by an editor.
2009/7/18 Marcus Carlson
> Upstream has said they won't commit any patch that will change the
> toolbar and instead encourage working on the too
Upstream has said they won't commit any patch that will change the
toolbar and instead encourage working on the toolbar editor. (As I will
try to do)
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antistress wrote: " Moving the the Search button away from the other
doesn't seem a good idea to me in terms of usability"
Could you explain why?
But my reasons for suggesting moving search to the right:
The search is not the most commonly used navigation ,
If you use the ppa , you will realize
* About the Search button/field :
Danielsan474 said (comment 114) :
"instead for Search (icon + "Search" label) we could have an input text field.
We don't need to click on a search-icon, open a windows or whatever and digit
some text; we could write directly on that field. If Joe wants more, c
@Marcus ,
The Firefox style , i think you got it from Danielsan's explanation... if not,
firefox drop-down shows both the Back & Forward locations
Other problems I found
1: The Search button is too close to breadcrumbs , its now easier to trigger
this bug > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpap
Looking forward...
since my left-area concept share some ideas with gnome-shell project,
this one should be an optional in long-run. It depend on what a user
want to do: click on Activities (gnome-shell) every time or use search-
places-folders in nautilus window.
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marcus 1) Can't it be psychological to have a Home icon to click if I
get lost?
yes, it could be but Home is a place, not an action (go backward, make a
jump-refresh, go forward). The same for Search. In fireforx we didn't
have a left-area to put these items.
marcus 2) Input textfield in the menu
on nautilus-human-danielsan.png mockup:
1. like someone wrotes here, HOME is a place so I put this item in left-area
(aka "Places" area)
2. I like the two-status concept of Refresh-Stop and I place this icon-button
between Backward and Forward icons. If I don't want go back or go forward, I
cou
Danielsan474 - ahh, I now see what you mean.
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mac_v 1) About the drop down buttons I agree they take up a lot of space and by
using Firefox style you mean right clicking the button?
mac_v 2) Yes I know, I've hardcoded it. Do we want to use the global setting
for nautilus? Personally I've never liked it because the applications I used a
lot
I made some changes on Marcus mockup to explain my latest ideas...
1. for url-bar (a power-user solutions to browse) CTRL-L like firefox and other
apps
2. for location I made a mockup but I not so sure that could be usefull. We
have already Go menu in toolbar and "less-is-more".
I didn't put my
Great job Marcus!
Only two things:
1. we could move Home and Search icons to "places" area, we need to free
space on main toolbar. I didn't like the double url-bar and search-bar.
2. in Places area, Home reference is ok, instead for Search (icon +
"Search" label) we could have an input text fiel
Agree. And we do not need Home button, since Home is a place and the
best place for a place is places :)
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Oh... and before people jump on the "Up" not needed because of breadcrumbs.
"Up" is more useful than the "Home" , since "Home" takes you to one specific
folder,
While using "Up" you can go to any parent folder. Without moving the mouse , by
just repetitive clicking in one location, which is eas
@Marcus: sure, no problem...
I'v been using your ppa in Karmic, and my observations:
1: I Find the lack of the "Up" Button crippling.
I would even suggest replacing the "Home" button with the "Up" button.
But I have realized there is more space wasted due to the 2 drop down buttons.
We could r
mac_v, I've begin talking to upstream too see what they think about
these changes before doing anything more.
For the interested I've created jaunty packages [1] to play with.
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Could we *exclude the drop down arrows when inactive* ?
ie. the drop down arrow is shown *only* for any location history having more
than 2 items.
Maybe the Up button could be squeezed-in ;)
Also your latest icon-text shows this bug>
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Hi.
For the zoom option, it's possible to have an control like openoffice in the
status bar?
http://static.blogo.it/ossblog/openoffice-30-beta-1/big_03writer.png
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David, whats your comment on the mouse wheel zooming comment by
antistress?
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1°) at present time, using mouse whell forszooming in or out is rather
intuitive since you only have to point zoom buttons and to use mouse wheel. No
need for combination : keyboard (ctrl) + mouse (wheel)
2°) When i said "please send another mockup with text under icons to see
Status update;
I've now completed the combined stop/refresh button and new packages [1] should
be available soon. Attached is screenshots of the different toolbar states.
Comments?
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Or even the menu bar, on the top right? If statusbar buttons is not a
simple task
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Can the 2 zoom buttons + the use normal size button , be shifted to the status
bar?
But i dont see the point, its not frequently used anyway. But will make
things easy for the users who do use it.
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antistress wrote
Therefore you remove the possibilty for the user to adjust zoom factor with its
mouse wheel.
Well, no, ctrl + mouse wheel will still be available.
Location bar is still there if you press ctrl + L or via menu. To
hidden?
Please try the package if you'd like to test it out. Othe
Marcus Carlson : please send another mockup with text under icons to
see how your idea behave in all configurations. Is the location bar
still visible ?
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antistress, the magnifier you see in the screenshot is not the zoom, it's the
search function.
Otherwise no changes.
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Marcus Carlson : how the zoom button is supposed to work ? You replace 2
buttons (zoom + and zoom -) with only one ?
And will the user be able to change zoom factor with mouse wheel like tday (see
my comment 83) ?
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Screenshot of WIP.
Planned is to combine refresh/stop to one button.
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A package for the brave;
https://launchpad.net/~0-launchpad-mejlamej-nu/+archive/ppa
Note that this is just WIP and far from ready, it's just to get the
feeling for how it could work, not to be installed on your primary
desktop ;-) I could post some screenshots later.
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Really useful!
I'm hoping to see lots of changes to Natuilus on the next release of Ubuntu.
The Back, forward, home and all the buttons across that toolbar, together with
the labels, they're very huge, almost twice the size of the icons on firefox!
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Some upstream action:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42834 (requesting the ability to
customize the toolbar)
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=509660 (moving the Zoom and View As
controls to the main toolbar, complete with a needs-work patch)
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I also made one mockup more with text under the buttons. This is because
it should follow the generic Gnome preference do you want to have text
under the buttons or not. I think the default buttons with text are ok.
I moved the Computer button to places (also can be found from Go menu in
case left
Is it worth linking this bug up with the one at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/382626 as even
though they're not an exact match it seems evident that an overhaul of
nautilus' interface would be welcome.
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I've always felt, particularly on 15" and 14" laptop screens that
Nautilus' icons were bigger than they were useful.
How can we move this discussion beyond 'here's my preferences'? What's
the best way to approach user testing so this paper cut gets resolved?
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Loading thumbnails is only sluggish if you want a preview of the images.
You can switch that off under edit preferences preview. Then you get to
see the respective icons instantly. Even if it takes time to load the
previews, you can browse the file manager, while the previews are
loading, because t
@Psy[H[]:
> What would average users say after switching from windows, where there
is no system slowdown on loading thumbnails, to ubuntu, where system
becomes sluggish while loading them? Athlon 3000+, 1GB RAM; Core Duo
1,6, 1GB RAM - not top, but still not bad. But loading thumbnails in
nautilus
Now we have a useless buttons and proposal to just remove them as in "no man -
no problem".
Yes, "stop" button is useless now. So make it useful, give it a function and
put it in as addable option. Make customizable panel with minimalistic default
arrangement. That would be satisfactory in this
Hi everybody.
I think it was a good idea to see this movie:
http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/notes-from-a-gnome-3-mockup/
the modified nautilus might the "colombo egg"
hehehehe
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@Psy[H[] :
On 640x480 Nautilus window (assumed default file browser window size on
modern setup) current Stop and Reload buttons take about 128 x 64 pixels
space. That's 2.6% of window screen estate.
Let's assume average Ubuntu user users Nautilus window 1 hours a day without
pressing those butt
I'll add my .02 cents. I prefer the Dolphin breadcrumb style above all
others that I've seen.
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> 2. What does the Stop button do?
I'm sorry but I laughed when I read this sentence. Seriously, I've been
using gnome for almost 8 years and I've never used the stop button. It
should definitely be removed
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for those who want to remove zoom buttons, did you notice that you can change
the zoom factor using the mouse wheel on them ? It's very practical.
Besides, considering the zomm factor, Nautilus display more or less information
in icon view : folder name or folder name + content or folder name + c
Here is a comparison between the size of the chrome (gray) and the area where
you see the actual files (green) in the default nautilus window size on a new
(guest) account. This does not take into account tabs or the bar that appears
when you're about copy files to a writable cd.
Solving this bu
Refresh is "a state of mind", and this action could be between zero and
Inf+. We should take a decision, split this distribution of times in two
parts, what people think about a long-wait and not. 3 sec? 4 sec? more?
Local browsing, low number of files in a folder:
1. Joe open nautilus window and
At this point, I think a brainstorm discussion for this issue would be
far more suitable than a bug report...
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I am not sure if this is relevant, however one Nautilus change I think
would be very useful would be to have as default the opening of folders
in a new tab when you double-click.
Of course you would still have the option of just viewing the files in
the current tab by clicking on the triangle/arro
> For long time browsing, we could eventually put a message box after n
seconds to stop.
This is already there, right? If I try to open a certain folder or samba
share which takes a while, then a message box appears with: "You can
stop opening this folder by clicking cancel" or something like that
2 kikl
87 images may not be comparable with 500 or 1000. A quantity of photos on full
sd card from photo camera.
Why there is such a rush to make interface of nautilus *primitive*? Removing
duplicated buttons (three on the right) and reducing size of zoom controls
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I don't even like how Firefox has no labels on its buttons (e.g. "Home",
"Back", etc.) while the rest of Gnome (a.k.a. Nauitlus) has labels
(preferences set at System > Preferences > Appearance > Interface >
"Text Below Items"... even if Firefox ignores this).
The reason Firefox ignores these pref
I just opened a folder with nautilus. The folder contained 87 images and
two videos. The folder is located on a server connected to this computer
over a standard wifi connection. The thumbnails of the folder were
displayed practically instantly in the nautilus file manager. Therefore,
I think this
in my mockup2, in space free aree we could put "personal" device for
rapid access... an usb disk-key, an mp3reader device, a photocamera
attached to the computer. Is what a user should see in "Computer" but
with rights to mount/unmount (polikykit could help here)
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mockup 2:
- clicking on Home button (between right-left arrows) you should view
the home/personal folder with a new view. System info, the xdg folders,
and a link to classic view.
On breadcrumbs: for stop and refresh buttons you could follow menu
items. You don't need buttons... these buttons ar
Perhaps your attention for these two buttons is too captious.
I doubt that opening a folder with a lot of images is such a rare event to be
ignored. Loading thumbnails is not only slow, but also makes system sluggish.
In this case a way to pause and resume this process must be at hand.
And I d
@Psy[H]:
Please see my comment above. Stop and refresh buttons are definitely
*not* essential if the computer is behaving as it should. They are just
for corner cases which are not often encountered. Thus, polluting the
normal user workflow screen estate with these button should be
discouraged.
-
About stop and refresh buttons:
Refresh is not an action average desktop users does for his/her folders.
Nautilus automatically detects changes in the folders. There is no need
for refresh button, except in the corner cases like having remote file
mount which do not behave correctly. If we really
About stop and refresh buttons:
Refresh is not an action average desktop users does for his/her folders.
Nautilus automatically detects changes in the folders. There is no need
for refresh button, except in the corner cases like having remote file
mount which do not behave correctly. If we really
About stop and refresh buttons:
Refresh is not an action average desktop users does for his/her folders.
Nautilus automatically detects changes in the folders. There is no need
for refresh button, except in the corner cases like having remote file
mount which do not behave correctly. If we really
Oh! another idea: two-lined "arrows" in "launchpad" buttons could be
replaced with one-lined "slashes". That would be more consistent.
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A mockup by Daniele Medri is nice. My variant would be with path layed
over "launchpad" buttons (with slashes and less spaces between). Also
with home in the side panel, and with functional stop button. If it is
to be used to stop loading thumbnails (in folders with a lot of pictures
it is a pain)
This is the only downside I can think of to this style of breadcrumbs
versus the current style. That being said, as long as a hover state is
provided for the breadcrumb elements, I think it would be fairly
apparent that the elements are clickable. Overall, I think it would be a
win for usability to
"clickable text elements" for bread crumbs is a good idea. To me, it is
not visually apparent that these text elements are actually clickable.
Maybe just a minor problem...
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I'm against decreasing the size of buttons!
If you're using mouse - it's fine. But not, when you're using a
touchscreen! I'm currently on a 12,1" tablet (HP tx2500) and these
buttons are usable, because my fingers easily fit on them. MS Windows
are unusable because of the small elements.
Same on
The launchpad-style breadcrumbs are certainly an improvement, but I
personally feel that the more textual style for breadcrumbs (element >
element > element) would be better. Not only does KDE use this style,
but so does Windows Vista, and the majority of web sites that include
breadcrumb navigatio
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That style of breadcrumbs looks very nice and much better than it is
now.
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ShawnJGoff makes a good point that standard buttons are really not the
appropriate widget for the breadcrumbs. Not only are they an illogical
choice, they also look very unattractive. Instead, it would be
preferable if the breadcrumbs were made up of clickable text elements in
the following format:
Well, I want to disagree. The bread crumbs are really great! A "coherent
look" would be better. Give the bread crumbs a frame and the same color
as the folder they represent. If you display the "url-bar" in text form,
then why not display the "url-bar" as coherent bread crumbs? You display
the same
I think that Stop button should be used to stop loading thumbnails. I
saw a bug or a brainstorm idea about this, I do not remember... but it
would be better to give this button a needed function instead of just
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imo too much "streamlining" (moving the stuff to one toolbar) could get bad for
usability.
1) esp with the current implementation of the breadcrumb-toolbar it just looks
like another bunch of buttuns (a bunch of buttons should first be eliminated)
2) Merging the stop/reload button is a good propo
In some web browsers, "Reload" and "Stop" actions shares the same button
(set to "reload" when rendering is done, set to "stop" when the browser
is still processing his task)
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#2: I agree with what "none" said. The stop button may be useful when you need
to stop a nautilus action, but not when you're just sitting there browsing a
folder. Ideally the button would be removed and a "stop" button could appear
somewhere whenever Nautilus is "working".
#3: Despite criti
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For the record, here is a Dolphin (KDE's file browser) screenshot ;
Dolphin with Ubuntu theme (to focus on GUI's elements et not on theme)
http://blog.rom1v.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/dolphin-gnome.png
(default nautilus : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27797607/default_nautilus.png
)
You may
I agree that cut, copy, paste & delete is what you do in a file browser
a lot of the time, and so is very useful.
I know a lot of you use the keyboard shortcuts, but usually when I am
browsing I use the mouse and find that clicking on an option such as
copy or paste is a much more efficient way of
Please consider not trading usability for a bit of space
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well... i think it's a very bad idea.
most user, on other os, use the navigation arrow.. remove them, mean annoying
lots of new user on linux.
i even use them very often, without thinking about it. And if you look how
people use win95->vista, you'll see they use it everyday.
So removing it is a
The stop button should not be removed without replacement.
I like the way evolution displays its current actions and provides a button to
abort each of them - in the status bar. That way, no (mostly greyed out) stop
button is required in the toolbar, and current actions can be aborted right
whe
I use nautilus exactly the way dilomo has posted it.
1. Navigation toolbar is removed, but I dont think this wil be a sane
default. I sometimes need to alt-back or alt-forward, which would not be
an intuitive thing for a new user
2.Laco's first mockup looks good, but I need the icon-tree-compact
Btw I want to propose the idea of removing the navigation toolbar (with
arrows) and leave only the one with radio buttons. I have seen it here
but with my theme I tried to make the look of nautilus even simpler.
** Attachment added: "One Toolbar (real theme)"
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28167
Well, we have lots of ideas, but currently it's missing a developer's
clear opinion...
Dear Mat Tomaszewski what's your opinion? Have you got another
proposal or do you agree with one of the current ones?
When will you start to show us how are you going to change the toolbars?
Thanks
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