Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Clytie Siddall
On 17/06/2005, at 7:26 AM, Thierry Reding wrote: The normal procedure for translating the D-W website is by downloading the WML sources and then creating a subdirectory for the language you want to translate into (which would in your case be the `vi' subdirectory), then go crazy with tran

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Christian Perrier
> It doesn't look like baz or tla are part of the Mac OSX base. I tried > both via bash. Hmmm, handling translating with a tla/baz based system is probably not the best idea to have, actually. Whether or not one likes it, these things are *complicated stuff*. Very nice revision control system

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Meike Reichle
Hi Christian, Clytie et al. Clytie Siddall wrote: If it's available for Mac OSX (BSD base), and not complex to install, I'll have a go [...] There seem to be ways to get that to work [1] but I am not sure on how easy it is. Christian Perrier wrote: Hmmm, handling translating with a tla/baz b

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 02:06:56 +0200, Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:06:16 18:10 +0200]: A question for the women who have had enough exposure to the pre-DW Debian community: were incidences of males coming on to you a regular thing, or rather

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Herman Robak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.1202 +0200]: > That's how IRC for the masses devolve, you know. When the > strings "asl" or "r u horny" appear frequently, the true adults > will feel awkward. Uh, I'd say the true grownups should be able to just ignore that. -- Please

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Clytie Siddall] > It's embarrassing to have to admit the mental loss through illness, > but it's probably better than me giving up because I can't do it. Goodness, don't blame yourself. I've got more Unix experience than quite a lot of folks in the Debian community yet I can't figure out tla.

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Miriam Ruiz
--- martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > also sprach Herman Robak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.1202 +0200]: > > That's how IRC for the masses devolve, you know. When the > > strings "asl" or "r u horny" appear frequently, the true adults > > will feel awkward. > > Uh, I'd say

Re: pure Debian box?

2005-06-17 Thread Margarita Manterola
Hi Sonia! On 6/16/05, Sonia Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > pbuilder is probably the most popular solution. It has the disadvantage of > > requiring root privileges (to use chroots), but is much simpler and performs > > better than (e.g.) UML. > Thanks everyone - I'm having a play with pb

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:48:33 +0200, Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: also sprach Herman Robak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.1202 +0200]: > That's how IRC for the masses devolve, you know. When the > strings "asl" or "r u horny" ap

D-W wiki and UTF-8

2005-06-17 Thread Clytie Siddall
Hello everybody :) I've been experimenting at PmWiki's PmWiki, and am getting some more experience in how to display utf-8 text correctly. Interestingly, the main Vietnamese page in the D-W wiki is now displaying perfectly in Preview, but that one vowel is still broken in the Saved versio

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.1248 +0200]: > That's one of the main entry barriers I see for women. We're > always required to be more mature, more grownups, to be able to > ignore everything, to keep calm, not to reply. That's something > usually boys do not need to have

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 12:48:33PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > > also sprach Herman Robak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.1202 +0200]: > > > That's how IRC for the masses devolve, you know. When the > > > strings "asl" or "r u horny" appear frequently, the true adults > > > will feel awkward. >

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 01:43:59PM +0200, Herman Robak wrote: > >That's one of the main entry barriers I see for women. We're always > >required > >to be more mature, more grownups, to be able to ignore everything, to > >keep > >calm, not to reply. That's something usually boys do not need to h

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Rob Taylor
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 09:17 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > It doesn't look like baz or tla are part of the Mac OSX base. I tried > > both via bash. > Whether or not one likes it, these things are *complicated > stuff*. Very nice revision control systems but bloody hard to setup, > which a h

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:00:52 +0200, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If DW tries to keep an environment with only friendly encounters, that's great. I'd still say that you can actually learn for life from exposing yourself to Debian and *not* taking personal attacks serious. There

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Clint Adams
> > > It doesn't look like baz or tla are part of the Mac OSX base. I tried > > > both via bash. > > > Whether or not one likes it, these things are *complicated > > stuff*. Very nice revision control systems but bloody hard to setup, > > which a huge learning curve. > > Can i suggest darcs as

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Herman Robak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.1601 +0200]: > There are some learning experiences that I would be quite > happy to live without, thank you. If you prefer to be offended than to sovereign, that's your choice. > You are stating the obvious. Yet that only explains why on

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:44:17 +0200, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 01:43:59PM +0200, Herman Robak wrote: If your complaint was legitimate, the "it's your problem, not ours" answer is rather offensive. It is honest and accurate, but not particulary diplo

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Erinn Clark
* martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:06:17 16:13 +0200]: > DW was created to be a friendly environment from the start Wrong. It was created to get more women involved in Debian. Can we all please get back on topic now? If you're that fascinated by women's issues, I'll be happy to give you

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Clint Adams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Could someone explain the relative difficulty of tla or baz over any > other SCM when it comes to simple operations like "checkout", "update to > latest revision", and "commit"? Initial setup of an archive (or an archive-mirror)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Erinn Clark
* Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:06:17 10:05 -0400]: > Could someone explain the relative difficulty of tla or baz over any > other SCM when it comes to simple operations like "checkout", "update to > latest revision", and "commit"? I don't think those are the hard part -- I'd say the anno

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:44:17 +0200, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 01:43:59PM +0200, Herman Robak wrote: This is mostly about perception. The guys need to have these traits, too. They are just less likely to be told so. Why? Even that's not true. The

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Hanna M. Wallach
Andrew, > I see vastly more people *complaining* about it than there have ever > been *doing* it. I doubt people who would act like that are likely > to be dissuaded by numbers, and I doubt that they constitute a > statistically significant number anyway, so 'rarer' doesn't really > apply. I wou

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Hanna M. Wallach
> This is mostly about perception. The guys need to have these > traits, too. They are just less likely to be told so. Why? > Because the typical situation for being told so is when you complain > about something. With Free Software, the answer to a complaint will > often be "that's not my itc

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Hanna M. Wallach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.17.1924 +0200]: > personal and therefore far less disturbing than "your tits are HOT > will you date me lolz??!!!1!" How could you take something like this seriously and/or personally? It's an anonymous medium (from the "presence" perspecti

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Hanna M. Wallach
Martin, > How could you take something like this seriously and/or personally? > It's an anonymous medium (from the "presence" perspective)! It's hard not to take such things seriously and personally, especially when preceded by comments such as, "I checked out your real name and I've been googli

Re: Final call: D-W t-shirts for Debconf5

2005-06-17 Thread Alex H. S.
hi people, I sure want one too. El vie, 17-06-2005 a las 00:54 -0400, Hanna M. Wallach escribió: > Do I still have time to customize my design? (Remember, I wanted blood > dripping off the dagger-looking part of our logo?) If you can get Dana to do a .eps, then sure. :-) -- hanna m. wall

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 02:35:28PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > Bull. People who don't have to cope with all that are people who > aren't involved in Debian, or any other free software development > project. How come the GNOME project is such a nice and friendly place overall then? But hey,

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:24:28 -0400, Hanna M. Wallach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is mostly about perception. The guys need to have these traits, too. They are just less likely to be told so. Why? Because the typical situation for being told so is when you complain about something. Wit

Re: Final call: D-W t-shirts for Debconf5

2005-06-17 Thread Hanna M. Wallach
Hi people, > I'd going like to put in the order ASAP. This is your last chance to > order a D-W t-shirt for Debconf5. Let me know if you would like one! Turns out I'm also going to be at LSM (I'll be there from the 6th-8th July), so if you'd like a D-W t-shirt for LSM, I'm taking orders for those

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Clytie Siddall
On 17/06/2005, at 4:47 PM, Christian Perrier wrote: It doesn't look like baz or tla are part of the Mac OSX base. I tried both via bash. Hmmm, handling translating with a tla/baz based system is probably not the best idea to have, actually. Whether or not one likes it, these things are *com

Re: Localizing main site?

2005-06-17 Thread Clytie Siddall
Thanks very much for your reply, Meike. :) On 17/06/2005, at 7:11 PM, Meike Reichle wrote: Clytie Siddall wrote: If it's available for Mac OSX (BSD base), and not complex to install, I'll have a go [...] There seem to be ways to get that to work [1] but I am not sure on how easy it is. T

Re: DW quotes

2005-06-17 Thread Clytie Siddall
On 17/06/2005, at 8:18 PM, Miriam Ruiz wrote: I don't wanna have to constantly be on guard, to be prepared to ignore trolls, to be able to cope with sexual or sexist attacks and so on. Boys do not have to cope with all that. We girls also don't have to cope with that being in D-W, that's w

Death To women's Rights (I am an male free software developer and I despise women's rights and your group).

2005-06-17 Thread Mitch Obrian
Dear Debian women; It is with great esteem and supreme pleasure that I am here tonight to inform you that I hate you, your guts, and every female on earth who shares the desire to rebel against men, to disrespect men, and/or to take the creations of men and claim them as the creation of women o

Re: Science fiction?

2005-06-17 Thread Hanna M. Wallach
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 04:50:30PM +0200, fabienne s wrote: > right now i'm reading my way through a lot of Richard Powers: > > plowing the dark (read) > goldbug variations (just started) > galatea 2.2 (ordered) I'm reading Galatea 2.2 at the moment. I'd be interested to know what you think of it

Re: Science fiction?

2005-06-17 Thread Hanna M. Wallach
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 07:41:58PM +0200, Meike Reichle wrote: > PS: Hanna, I hope you keep counting. I want numbers! ;) I did a count today, since the thread has largely died down. The responses were: Máirín -- doesn't read sci. fi., watches Star Wars and Star Trek Luk -- doesn't read or watch s

Re: Science fiction?

2005-06-17 Thread Hanna M. Wallach
> Cere Davis -- never reads sci. fi., rarely watches it > Hanna -- rarely reads sci. fi, never watches it By the way, I was counting myself and Cere both as "neither" though one could quibble about whether this is correct. > neither: 3 (Erinn, Jutta, Cere, Hanna) This should read 4, not 3. Appar

Re: Science fiction?

2005-06-17 Thread Mitch Obrian
Women should have no rights. --- "Hanna M. Wallach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cere Davis -- never reads sci. fi., rarely watches > it > > Hanna -- rarely reads sci. fi, never watches it > > By the way, I was counting myself and Cere both as > "neither" though > one could quibble about whet

Re: Science fiction?

2005-06-17 Thread Mitch Obrian
Death To women's Rights --- "Hanna M. Wallach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 07:41:58PM +0200, Meike > Reichle wrote: > > PS: Hanna, I hope you keep counting. I want > numbers! ;) > > I did a count today, since the thread has largely > died down. The > responses were: > >

Re: Electronic Communication Styles

2005-06-17 Thread Hanna M. Wallach
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 12:28:05PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > Here's an interesting quote I found about electronic > communication styles of males and females. I'm posting > here in case somebody else is interested in the topic. [...] > References: > > [Blum99] Blum, Kimberly Dawn, "Gender Differ

Acronym on About page of main site

2005-06-17 Thread Clytie Siddall
Sorry for my ignorance: while translating the About page on the main D-W site, I've run into the acronym BOF: "Organising BOF discussions at Linux conferences, to promote discussion of issues facing women and their involvement in Debian and Linux." Now, BOFH of course I know. :) I think t

Re: Acronym on About page of main site

2005-06-17 Thread Erinn Clark
* Clytie Siddall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:06:18 16:23 +0930]: > Sorry for my ignorance: while translating the About page on the main > D-W site, I've run into the acronym BOF: BOF == Birds of a Feather It's basically a somewhat informal meeting where people gather to talk about a subject that