On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 02:26:34PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> At some point I don't think that this has nothing to do with Debian
> exclusively, but with the way women are socialized and brought up, in
> fear and low self esteem in many ways. Unfortunately some women do
> need some encouragement b
2009/9/10 Lisi Reisz :
> And the poster himself in a private email, and also on the list, said
> that the motive I had in fact attributed to him - that he felt in some way
> threatened - was correct, tho' I had got very wrong the way in which he felt
> threatened.
No, I didn't, but I didn't want t
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> That is not true and is offensive. I made no attempt to extrapolate
> to all men.
It may not have been intentional, but it certainly was implied. When
people are assigned to a class and judgements are made, those
judgements are extrapolated to members of th
2009/9/10 Lisi Reisz :
> On Thursday 10 September 2009 17:34:14 Don Armstrong wrote:
>> The reason why the comment appears to be sexist to at least a few of
>> us[1] is because it attributes motives to an individual based purely
>> on their perceived gender, and attempts to extrapolate from that to
On Thursday 10 September 2009 17:34:14 Don Armstrong wrote:
> The reason why the comment appears to be sexist to at least a few of
> us[1] is because it attributes motives to an individual based purely
> on their perceived gender, and attempts to extrapolate from that to
> the motives of all indivi
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> Granted, the "only contribution [..] I can identify as having come
> from a man" is a bit strong and could be perhaps be misunderstood as
> "all man do things like that" (which would in my eyes be sexist),
> but if you want no longer stated anything th
2009/9/10 Erinn Clark :
> IMO those lists are probably sufficient for women-only mailing lists. I
> don't think we need to fracture d-w, especially given its "recent"
> amount of inactivity.
That's probably the bad side of my proposal. Will this new mailing
list lower or raise the activity level?
* Miriam Ruiz [2009:09:10 11:37 +0200]:
> 2009/9/10 Holger Levsen :
> > On Mittwoch, 26. August 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >> It seems to me that this comment is sexist, and has no place on any Debian
> >> mailing list.
> >
> > It seemed and seems to me you were trolling here :-(
>
> I'm just
* Steve Langasek [090910 11:57]:
> Yes? Change the gender in the original message and tell me who you think is
> trolling.
While there might be a thinkable context where such a message could be
sexist, please put the mail the context it was in:
It's about whether it makes sense to have a women-
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:23:25AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Mittwoch, 26. August 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > It seems to me that this comment is sexist, and has no place on any Debian
> > mailing list.
> It seemed and seems to me you were trolling here :-(
Yes? Change the gender in t
2009/9/10 Holger Levsen :
> On Mittwoch, 26. August 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
>> It seems to me that this comment is sexist, and has no place on any Debian
>> mailing list.
>
> It seemed and seems to me you were trolling here :-(
I'm just thinking aloud, but I wonder if it might make sense to al
On Mittwoch, 26. August 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
> It seems to me that this comment is sexist, and has no place on any Debian
> mailing list.
It seemed and seems to me you were trolling here :-(
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2009/8/28 toya :
> agnez wrote:
>> Alice Ferrazzi wrote:
>>> i agree with Miriam
>>> is not a joke !
>>> maybe he thought that it was only a stupid joke but it wasn't
>>> it's sexism and a really bad one, against a young middle-distance runner and
>>> also against all women
>>>
>>> [snip]
>> you ha
agnez wrote:
> Alice Ferrazzi wrote:
>> i agree with Miriam
>> is not a joke !
>> maybe he thought that it was only a stupid joke but it wasn't
>> it's sexism and a really bad one, against a young middle-distance runner and
>> also against all women
>>
>> [snip]
> you have to be able to accept apol
Alice Ferrazzi wrote:
i agree with Miriam
is not a joke !
maybe he thought that it was only a stupid joke but it wasn't
it's sexism and a really bad one, against a young middle-distance runner and
also against all women
[snip]
you have to be able to accept apologies, otherwise this discussion le
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Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> 2009/8/25 Anne Ghisla :
>> Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 16.20 +0200, Ana Guerrero ha scritto:
>>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:52:21PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos wrote:
2009/8/24 Holger Levsen :
> Why? It's not obvious
Hi, there was an interesting talk about this issue in the last OSCON. You
can see it here:
http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/07/25/standing-out-in-the-crowd-my-oscon-keynote/
Maybe many of you already saw that article before.
And there is this other thread about women and open source:
http://lwn.net
Hello everybody,
this is my first post here, I have been a passive reader for quite a
while though (i'm not a developer, only a user).
I find womens only tech events interesting and enriching. But I thought
the idea of organizing a tech meeting with only female speakers (but
mixed public) wi
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 05:14:17PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> It seems to me to be worthy of comment that the only contribution to a
> sensible discussion, which contribution has of necessity dragged the
> discussion OT and "down", is also the only contribution that I can identify
> as having co
2009/8/25 Christian Perrier :
> Quoting Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos (jord...@gmail.com):
>
>> I'm rambling... but I really hope I managed to offend a little less
>> this time... and I hope I didn't make it worse.
>
> .../...
>
> You didn't.
>
> You did something that's very hard to do, particularly in a
Quoting Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos (jord...@gmail.com):
> I'm rambling... but I really hope I managed to offend a little less
> this time... and I hope I didn't make it worse.
.../...
You didn't.
You did something that's very hard to do, particularly in a public
mailing list: you accepted the cri
2009/8/25 :
> Now I understand better the "joke" from holger. It is absolutely unacceptable.
I think I may be digging my grave here, but the remark came from me,
not Holger. I don't know if "Holger" is typically a male or female
name either, but at any rate, Holger had nothing to do with it.
I'm
2009/8/25 :
> So Holger, I don't know if you are a man or a woman but your joke is just
> simply
> not funny and insulting for technical women.
I think that you have been mistaken. Holger was not the one that made
the joke, and in fact he did complain about it in a very serious way:
2009/8/25
Now I understand better the "joke" from holger. It is absolutely unacceptable.
Unfortunately, this is the kind of joke I was usually faced with in one of my
previous job. Some men just consider women have nothing to do in any technical
fields and they truly make it understand to the few women that
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 16:12:27 Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> 2009/8/25 Anne Ghisla :
> > my 2 cents: I agree with Ana. These jokes are hard to understand
> > properly on written communication. So I can't get if it is just an
> > innocent joke or, as it is so common among men who fear women raise of
> >
2009/8/25 Anne Ghisla :
> Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 16.20 +0200, Ana Guerrero ha scritto:
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:52:21PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos wrote:
>> > 2009/8/24 Holger Levsen :
>> > > Why? It's not obvious to me. I think not having any men there would
>> > > attract
>> > >
2009/8/25 Anne Ghisla :
> Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 16.20 +0200, Ana Guerrero ha scritto:
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:52:21PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos wrote:
>> > 2009/8/24 Holger Levsen :
>> > > Why? It's not obvious to me. I think not having any men there would
>> > > attract
>> > >
Il giorno mar, 25/08/2009 alle 16.20 +0200, Ana Guerrero ha scritto:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:52:21PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos wrote:
> > 2009/8/24 Holger Levsen :
> > > Why? It's not obvious to me. I think not having any men there would
> > > attract
> > > some women who would otherwise
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:52:21PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos wrote:
> 2009/8/24 Holger Levsen :
> > Why? It's not obvious to me. I think not having any men there would attract
> > some women who would otherwise not joiin.
>
> So...
>
> Could Caster Semenya go to the event or not? ;-)
>
I fa
Hi,
Let me introduce myself first.
My name is Narrira, but people usually call me as Nah. I'm from Brasil and
part of some tech collectives based on here. I used to be part of debian
user group of my local city - but couldn't get involved with that; I am
already involved with some other (mainly ww
Hi all
As explained to Margarita in a private email, I'll be glad to attend this event.
Unfortunately I'm living in Paris and It represents a very far trip.
For this reason I suggest we organize a similar event in Paris to gather debian
women from European countries. It will be much easier for th
Hi,
Actually I dont think it's a joke, but (hope it is "just") a pointless, stupid
comment, made without much thought. (I assume trying to be $whatever
("funny"?, dont care. Poor Caster (for being the object of so much crap).)
Of course most women-only events are also open to those "few" who f
2009/8/24 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermos :
> 2009/8/24 Holger Levsen :
>> Why? It's not obvious to me. I think not having any men there would attract
>> some women who would otherwise not joiin.
>
> So...
>
> Could Caster Semenya go to the event or not? ;-)
I think those kind of jokes are out of place her
2009/8/24 Holger Levsen :
> Why? It's not obvious to me. I think not having any men there would attract
> some women who would otherwise not joiin.
So...
Could Caster Semenya go to the event or not? ;-)
- Jordi G. H.
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Hi,
On Montag, 24. August 2009, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> It'd be a shame to go through the effort of gathering quite a number
> of regional women for an event, and then make it so that only a group
> of people (women) can attend.
Poor men indeed!
> One thing
> is to try to show women that th
I went to a few women-only techie events and I really enjoyed them. I
heard many more women talking and chatting that I usually do in any other
techie conf and I think it also has to do with how men tend to take
iniative more than women sometimes.
When I was talking with Margarita (we met in Argen
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Donnerstag, 20. August 2009, Margarita Manterola wrote:
>> I'm thinking of organizing a local (i.e. in Argentina) Free Software
>> event, where all the speakers are women, and somehow try to advertise
>> this event so that it's clear that
Hi Marga,
On Donnerstag, 20. August 2009, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> I'm thinking of organizing a local (i.e. in Argentina) Free Software
> event, where all the speakers are women, and somehow try to advertise
> this event so that it's clear that it's specially oriented towards
> women, but obvi
Hi Marga -- great idea!
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 02:56:49PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote [edited]:
> Another conflict that came to my mind was about the content. At the
> first moment, I had though it'd be nice to have a very tech oriented
> event, with very high levels in the contents of the t
rning how to dance in the
rain."
From: Margarita Manterola
To: debian-women
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:56:49 AM
Subject: Thinking about organizing a special women-oriented event
Hi!
This is not exactly related to Debian, but it came up
Hi!
This is not exactly related to Debian, but it came up while talking to
another girl about Debian Women. I've been thinking about this for a
few days, and I'd like to receive comments or opinions from people
here. Feel free to give me your opinion on any of the subjects below.
I'm thinking of
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