Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-07-01 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej Christian and Paul, thanks for the great informations about all the areas to contribute... I will ponder about it ;-). Greets from Angela -- Angela Fuß Herweg 7 24357 Fleckeby mail: angela.f...@das-netzwerkteam.de fon: +49 (4346) 6059053 mobil: +49 (1577) 4197937 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-06-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote: > And I certainly forget many others..:-) More are documented here: http://www.debian.org/intro/help One that is not documented there is that that page needs more things to be added :) Some more I can think of are screenshots and debtags

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-06-30 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Angela Fuß (angela.f...@das-netzwerkteam.de): > What sort of non-technical contributions would that be if I would want to be > Debian Developer? What is possible and what is needed? > Are these contributions not already there and seen and appreciated? > Does Debian need more non-technical

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-06-30 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej all of you, > Non-technical contributions are needed in the community, that's for > sure, and they should be recognized if it is not already the case. > That would be the rough consensual conclusion.  I believe "everyone" > (at least everyone at AdaCamp) would agree with this from the > begin

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-06-25 Thread Marianne C.
Hello, Were some of you at AdaCamp San Francisco, about two weeks ago? Many discussions revolved around those issues. Non-technical contributions are needed in the community, that's for sure, and they should be recognized if it is not already the case. That would be the rough consensual conclusi

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Laura Arjona
Hi all I don't know the Debian community very well either, but since I am around here (let's say 3-4 years) I feel it welcoming, polite and quite inclusive (the D-W subproject already had some years, the Debian Diversity Statement was written and published, last months the OPW proposals...). I may

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2013/5/27 Angela Fuß : > As I do not know the Debian Community very well so far I cannot say anything > about meritocracy and elitism in Free Software Communities or in Debian. Just for the record, I'm not against meritocracy. I think meritocracy -real meritocracy- is a good thing. I was just mai

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Angela Fuß
Dear Miry, My personal opinion is that for changing things, we have to be able to acknowledge what's truly happening, and start moving from there. I didn't say I was fully happy with the reality, in fact I'm not, and, while I realize that some level of meritocracy is positive, my opinion is that

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 27 May 2013 10:22:56 Miriam Ruiz wrote: > 2013/5/27 Lisi Reisz : > > On Monday 20 May 2013 09:33:06 Miriam Ruiz wrote: > >> Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism > > > > I have been unhappy with this since I first read it, and had held off > > saying anything while I pondered. >

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2013/5/27 Lisi Reisz : > On Monday 20 May 2013 09:33:06 Miriam Ruiz wrote: >> Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism > > I have been unhappy with this since I first read it, and had held off saying > anything while I pondered. Just for the record, and to avoid misinterpretations, I was jus

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 20 May 2013 09:33:06 Miriam Ruiz wrote: > Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism I have been unhappy with this since I first read it, and had held off saying anything while I pondered. I accept that, in theory at least, OSS is about meritoctracy. But the word "elite" jars. I

RE: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej Mathieu, Also, too: the way I understood it is possibly or amongst other things as a reference to an article published in New Media & Society which was mentioned on this list I think a few months ago. The article (whose exact title and author evades me right now but I could produce i

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej Sam To add to the answer that Miriam has supplied, I would like to suggest that if that sentence puzzled you, then you may be interested to read /The Rise of the Meritocracy/ (1958) by Michael Young, which is the work that introduced the word "meritocracy" to the English language. It's quite

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej again, Well, it is generally considered that Free Software projects are a meritocracy [1], meaning that "an elite group of people whose progress is based on ability and talent rather than on class privilege or wealth" [2]. Ideally, whenever a project is ruled by pure meritocracy, people woul

RE: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-20 Thread Mathieu ONeil
7 PM To: debian-women Subject: Re: Debian and Politeness 2013/5/20 Angela Fuß : > Hej Miriam, > >> Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism, or at least it >> pretends to be. > > Can you explain that part a bit more? > Is that something that you sense or think how i

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-20 Thread Sam Kuper
Hi Angela, On 20/05/2013, Angela Fuß wrote: > Hej Miriam, > >> Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism, or at least it >> pretends to be. > [...] > I think I do not really get what you want to say with that sentence. And as > I consider it a very interesting statement I thought I better as

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-20 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2013/5/20 Angela Fuß : > Hej Miriam, > >> Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism, or at least it >> pretends to be. > > Can you explain that part a bit more? > Is that something that you sense or think how it is? > Or is it something that people say about Free Software or Debian? > Does Deb

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-20 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej Miriam, > Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism, or at least it > pretends to be. Can you explain that part a bit more? Is that something that you sense or think how it is? Or is it something that people say about Free Software or Debian? Does Debian want to be a community with me