I like the proposed GR by Anthony Towns. I don't think it is against our
constitution, and I don't see how it can be breaking any trust, since
the authors and other affected people can prevent publication.
To make my support more concrete: I expect this GR gets passed, so I
hereby declare my avail
to, 2005-12-01 kello 09:04 -0600, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:35:02 +0200, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I like the proposed GR by Anthony Towns. I don't think it is against
> > our constitution, and I don't se
ke, 2006-01-25 kello 14:54 -0800, Jeff Carr kirjoitti:
> By this argument, the GPL must be removed or authors must allow anyone
> to modify it. Clearly the intent of the Debian community and the DFSG is
> not to require abandonment of the protections of the GPL.
This argument is old, wrong, and ha
ma, 2006-01-30 kello 09:24 +1100, Craig Sanders kirjoitti:
> only indirectly. the real point, which you missed, was to be an accurate
> description of reality - something that, as an extremist nutcase, you
> are challenged by.
> [ further insults deleted ]
Craig, could you please behave in a polit
ma, 2006-01-30 kello 13:39 +1100, Craig Sanders kirjoitti:
> i'll behave as i please.
>
> if you don't like my words, then don't read them - kill file me if you
> feel it's necessary.
Nobody has the right to be personally insulting on Debian lists. It
would certainly be possible to express concer
to, 2006-02-09 kello 15:13 +0100, Xavier Roche kirjoitti:
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > > Well, maybe the wording was not deceptive enough ?
> > Maybe people should get re-acquinted with GR 2004-04 and its results before
> > they bring up GR 2004-03, even for jokes.
>
I hereby nominate myself as a candidate for the next Debian Project
Leader.
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I hereby de-nominate myself as a candidate for DPL 2006.
I have realized this week that there are aspects and parts of the
project that I can't emotionally deal with. Especially abusive behavior
on mailing lists, the vocal support for it, and the pers
to, 2006-02-23 kello 19:59 -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
kirjoitti:
> Lars GPG signature failed to be checked. Obviously I am
> missing something or did something wrong, but somebody can just
> confirm that the signature is ok (or not)?
Oh dear. Something, somewhere, mangled the me
Many people consider the aggressive, often unconstructive atmosphere on
major Debian mailing lists to be a problem. You only need to make a
little spark and suddenly you have ignited a huge thread, up to several
hundred mails per day, a number of which are personal attacks. Even if
they aren't, peo
su, 2006-03-05 kello 03:11 +0100, Enrico Zini kirjoitti:
> It would have been pointless to come out with such trivial reports.
I disagree. They let the project know that things are going on (or not
going on), and the DPL and Team are not just dormant, which was the
impression I, at least, had for
su, 2006-03-05 kello 14:20 +0100, Enrico Zini kirjoitti:
> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 10:44:17AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>
> > And yes, a couple of times I did ask, although on IRC and not via
> > e-mail. Having to drag out information gets tiresome so I only did it a
&
su, 2006-03-05 kello 15:49 +0200, Lars Wirzenius kirjoitti:
> su, 2006-03-05 kello 14:20 +0100, Enrico Zini kirjoitti:
> > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 10:44:17AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> >
> > > And yes, a couple of times I did ask, although on IRC and not via
> >
ke, 2006-03-08 kello 09:23 +0100, Marc Haber kirjoitti:
> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 05:46:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:19:19AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> > > Feb 22nd, I mail both Joey (as SRM) and the security team noting the
> > >queue changes that sh
pe, 2006-03-10 kello 02:52 +, MJ Ray kirjoitti:
> Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Do you believe that anyone in Debian has ever been discriminated against
> > for socio-religious views that had no impact on their ability to work in
> > the project?
>
> Given the number of people in D
su, 2006-03-12 kello 11:21 +1000, Anthony Towns kirjoitti:
> if a delegation is necessary, make it, by posting the
> details to -project, or if necessary, -private.
Why -project and not -devel-announce?
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to, 2006-07-20 kello 20:12 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti:
> + 9.2. Authority
>
> +1. An organization holding assets for Debian has no authority
> + regarding Debian's technical or nontechnical decisions, except
> + that no decision by Debian with respect to any property held
ke, 2006-08-23 kello 10:30 +0200, Bas Zoetekouw kirjoitti:
> > 3. supports the decision of the Release Team to require works such
> > as
> > images, video, and fonts to be licensed in compliance with the DFSG without
> > requiring source code for these works under DFSG #2; and
> >
> >
On la, 2006-10-07 at 18:55 -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote:
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 49a98df6-2bd4-40c8-a559-7e15212dbd26
> [ 2 ] Choice 1: Recall the project leader
> [ 1 ] Choice 2: Further discussion
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anyth
On to, 2007-03-15 at 16:05 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:15:03AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> > 1) flamewars: the constant bickering on mailing list is depressing, it
> > takes away a lot of time, and it gives the whole project a bad
> > reputation.
>
> FWIW y
On to, 2007-03-15 at 16:52 +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> The only thing that changed is that some people started bickering
> about the flamewars.
Ah yes, I remember that happening. In about 1995.
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On ti, 2007-07-31 at 09:49 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I will definitely second such a proposal, unless former DPLs come
> forward
> to say that this just wouldn't work for some reason.
I'd like to hear that, too.
Speaking as someone who once almost was a candidate, I would like to
point out tha
On ti, 2007-07-31 at 23:04 +0200, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Speaking as someone who once almost was a candidate, I would like to
> > point out that a two-year commitment is rather more difficult to make
> > for many peo
On su, 2007-08-05 at 01:07 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 11:54:15AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > GRs do not unite, they divide. They divide the DDs in two: the one
> > the losers and the winners.
>
> Just because your argument doesn't win the day doesn't mean you're
On ke, 2007-08-08 at 18:47 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> The main issue from where I sit is allowing enough time for nominees
> to post position statements and to have enough time for those position
> statements digested by the electorate, and enough initial discussion
> to occur so that interestin
On to, 2007-08-09 at 10:25 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I, as a voter, would also like to have ample time for discussion
> about
> > various topics after the IRC debate. [...] a week for discussion
> > really does sound to me l
On ma, 2008-03-10 at 13:48 +1100, Anthony Towns wrote:
> The idea is to encourage DPLs to appoint two new members during their
> term, so we get new blood in the committee,
Would it then be better to limit the term of tech-ctte members to, say,
two years? Or three years? With the option that they
I second Manoj's proposal below.
ma, 2008-11-10 kello 12:21 -0600, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti:
> ,[ Proposal 5: allow Lenny to release with firmware blobs ]
> | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software
> | community (Social Contract #4);
> |
> | 2. We acknowle
ti, 2008-11-11 kello 16:39 +0100, Adeodato Simó kirjoitti:
> Have you thought for a second, though, that the project as a whole could not
> agree with you in not sharing that view?
It is to determine the will of the project as a whole that we have the
GR process. Until then, it's all speculation.
ke, 2008-11-12 kello 15:41 +, Steve McIntyre kirjoitti:
> I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section
> for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to not meet the same
> standards as main, but checked so that we know they're still legally
> shippable by default on o
(Quote attribution elided on purpose.)
> Stop your FUD.
>
> The Release Team isn't violating the Social Contract.
It is my opinion that releasing lenny with known DFSG violations is a
violation of the Social Contract, on the part of the project as a whole,
regardless of which individuals are maki
ke, 2008-11-19 kello 07:58 +0900, Charles Plessy kirjoitti:
> Manoj,
>
> I completerly agree.
>
> How about allowing the Project to release Lenny without changing the DFSG?
That is what Manoj proposed on 2008-11-10 in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/11/msg00060.html
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to, 2008-12-11 kello 08:50 +0100, Raphael Hertzog kirjoitti:
> Manoj, I still object to voting all at once and I'm convinced that you
> will manage to hurt the project by doing that.
I, on the other hand, think Manoj has explained well why he is doing
things the way he is doing with this vote, an
ma, 2009-03-09 kello 19:37 +1100, Ben Finney kirjoitti:
> Matthew Johnson writes:
>
> > How about accepting that "he" is the gender-neutral pronoun in
> > English?
>
> Because that's not true; “he” is a male-gender pronoun.
While I agree with Ben, perhaps we could retire this, the 12765th
iter
la, 2009-03-21 kello 01:42 +, Steve McIntyre kirjoitti:
> P.S. Damn, just read Zack's answer and we don't seem to differ very
> much. Oh well... :-)
Dear Zack McIntyre, Steve Claes, and Luk Zacchiroli,
What's your opinion on membership procedures?
Last year there were some rough proposals fo
su, 2009-03-22 kello 17:01 +0100, Luk Claes kirjoitti:
> I think we first have to think about what a member, if we need different
> types of access/members and what they would be before thinking about the
> process(es) to become a member. I do think for instance that
> contributers who spend a lot
ma, 2009-03-23 kello 14:52 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli kirjoitti:
> I'm going to respond to this as soon as I complete my backlog of
> week-end email. In the meantime I've a request that will help people
> following this discussion. Can you please point us all to your
> proposal, possibly revised wit
On ti, 2010-09-14 at 17:53 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
>
> * Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
> Debian Developers without upload rights to the Debian archive. These
> new developers
On ti, 2010-09-14 at 13:14 +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Lars Wirzenius 2010-09-14 <1284461384.2573.26.ca...@havelock>
> > I do not like the introduction of yet another class of person developing
> > Debian. I propose we call everyone with voting rights in Debian a
On ti, 2010-09-14 at 18:56 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> My own preference is [B] > [A] > [original GR proposal]. But I'd like to
> hear some other opinions before working on a draft amendment for either
> [A] or [B].
I'd prefer [A] == [B] > [original GR proposal] > [NOTA].
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On ke, 2010-09-15 at 09:26 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
> extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
> second-class
> members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name,
> and emphasize
On su, 2010-09-19 at 11:33 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> > > Even better, now with attachments!
> > There is yet another pronoun I have missed. Please find a patch
> > attached.
>
> Applied (wording / punctuation fix), thanks!
>
On la, 2011-03-05 at 08:58 +0100, Sean Finney wrote:
> I nominate Stefano Zacchiroli.
>
> I of course understand if he wants to take a break after the last year,
> but couldn't pass up the chance to be the first to make the
> (re-)nomination :)
I think Zack's done an awesome job as DPL. However,
The GR to be welcoming to non-packaging contributors was a good thing.
However, it addresses the end of the membership process, the actual
membership. Before they even enter the NM process, we need to get them
contributing to Debian.
What is your assessment of the situation at that end, Stefano? A
On la, 2011-03-19 at 15:20 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Something that might work is that at midterm the DPL has to explicitly
> state whether they are willing to continue for another midterm or
> not.
Alternatively, we could apply to the DPL what I've suggested applying to
all DDs: if you'r
On la, 2011-03-26 at 18:30 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 08:21:33AM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > For the DPL, if we haven't heard from them in, say, two months, then
> > the secretary could investigate and figure out what's going on, and
&g
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:33:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> ... Would perhaps be to have people state that they are only interested
> in a pro-forma election. If there's a consensus that the current DPL is
> well respected and should continue, then we could skip strawman
> candidates, DPL platform
Gegerly, Moray, and Lucas:
We're currently in the middle of a freeze for the next release. We've
been in this release since June 30. That's over eight months. That's a
long time, even for a project the size of Debian. Releasing when we're
ready is all well and good, but it's a problem when it take
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:42:47PM +1100, Stuart Prescott wrote:
> Conduct is about behaviour and social interaction. A CoC is about the
> emotional contents and effects of the message not about how it was delivered
> or how many bytes there were between newline characters.
>
> To me the strengt
I second Wouter's proposal and both of Neil's amendments below.
(I haven't counted the current seconds for the amendments. The -vote
page indicates there's not enough.)
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 06:05:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:53:48PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
>
For all DPL candidates:
We have a number of delegated teams. How detailed should the
delegations be? What is the appropriate level of oversight,
management, and control that the DPL and the project in general should
have for deciding what the teams work on, and how they do their job?
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On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 08:49:41PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> We have a number of delegated teams. How detailed should the
> delegations be? What is the appropriate level of oversight,
> management, and control that the DPL and the project in general should
> have for deciding wh
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:44:54PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> However, Debian is not a cult.
Indeed not. We are a clan. Which inspires my next question.
Neil and Lucas: do you have, or will you get, a Debian kilt and wear
that for Deconf14?
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On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:44:07PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> At the moment, in just SPI, we have > 100k USD awaiting being spent.
> As an indication, that’s enough for a DebConf without any sponsors!
> Our donations should be spent. Be that better porter boxes, or a
> better backup service, or
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:23:05AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> > Questions for my -policy friends: can I conclude from the above that the
> > Disclaimer field is to be used _only_ for contrib/non-free packages, and
> > only to explain the reason of their (transitive)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 01:24:13PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:06:00AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> >The 2-week voting period made sense when the Constitution was written,
> >as intermittent internet access was much more likely back then. But
> >today, it's probably
Hi, Svante,
I fear your wonderfully terse phrasing may cause some people to react
more negatively to what you said than you perhaps intended. Please
forgive me for the boldness of suggsting alternate phrasings below, in
the hope of clarifying things for everyone.
Svante Signell:
> It is well know
Seconded.
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote:
>
> The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost
> completely
> ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical
> Committee. There is no reason for this position to
Seconded.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 05:56:12PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> In response to the helpful comments, I've modified my proposed amendment
> to Nicolas's resolution by adding "at minimum", and now propose the
> following amendment:
>
> === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
>
> Title: Declassifying part
On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 11:15:05PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private
>list archives" is repealed.
If we're going to have another discussion and vote about this, I
think it might be good to vote with a full spectrum of choices
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:01:50AM +0100, Iain Lane wrote:
> 2b. Participants may declassify the material of others where
> consent has explicitly been given by the authors of all of the
> material being declassified.
What about discussions where some of the participants hav
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 08:04:40PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> I hereby propose the following GR:
>
> === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
>
> The following sentence is removed from the Social Contract §5:
>
> "We encourage CD manufacturers to read the licenses of the packages in these
> areas and determine if
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 07:30:23AM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > Has anyone ever seriously questioned the appropriateness of the
> > Security Team's practices based on the Social Contract?
>
> Not in the last 11 years since I'm around. If that came up before, Martin
(Replies redirected to debian-project, since this has nothing to do
with the DPL election anymore.)
On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 07:51:21AM +, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote:
> e.g. I think Release Team channel is useful to know if something bad
> is going on, also Ftp channel or Buildd one. e.g. I ca
A question to the sole candidate:
What is the biggest source of friction, in your opinion, in Debian
development? What do you propose to do about reducing it?
By friction I mean things that do not hinder things, but increases the
effort required. For example, having to wait for bts.debian.org spa
On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:48 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> A question to the sole candidate:
>
> What is the biggest source of friction, in your opinion, in Debian
> development? What do you propose to do about reducing it?
>
> By friction I mean things that do not hinder thi
On Fri, 2018-03-30 at 16:04 +0100, Chris Lamb wrote:
> Dear -vote,
>
> Due to the absense of the usual tête-à-tête on -vote this year,
> to stimulate the conversation further I thought I might pose a
> question to the electorate myself.
>
> Therefore, what would you like to see *more* of from a P
to, 2005-02-24 kello 13:17 +1100, Angus Lees kirjoitti:
> At Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:48:35 -0600, Graham Wilson wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 11:52:08AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote:
> > > I hereby nominate Angus 'gus' Lees as Debian Project Leader (DPL).
> >
> > Don't developers have to nominate th
pe, 2005-03-04 kello 04:21 -0800, Anthony Towns kirjoitti:
> I tend to think having a simple "post a non-private
> message to -private, and you'll be suspended from the lists for a week,
> and followups to the message will be bounced" would be both effective,
> and require very little enforcemen
ke, 2005-03-09 kello 17:07 +0100, Michael Banck kirjoitti:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 03:15:11PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> > That said, there is no way to ban flamewars since they are sort of
> > part of the nature of a project like this.
>
> I do not subscribe to this. Flamewars are *not* a
to, 2005-03-17 kello 10:00 +, Helen Faulkner kirjoitti:
> What use do developers have for the right to vote? Surely if you can
> say that someone spending hours translating stuff for Debian doesn't
> need to vote you can just as easily say that someone spending hours
> maintaining packages
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