Kurt Roeckx writes:
> There are 2 ways the FD option has an effect on the result.
> The first option is the quorum requirement. For a GR the quorum is
> 3*Q, which is around 47 for this vote. 3*Q people need to put the
> option above FD to meet the quorum, or the option is dropped.
> But the re
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 09:45:15AM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote:
>
> Let's say a cohort of voters prefers option APRICOT to option BANANA,
> but would like neither (FD) even better. However they are well aware
> that there's no way FD will win.
>
> It is possible that if they vote their true
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 12:47:58AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>...
> But the reason for yes/no is the majority requirement. In this GR
> all options have a majority ratio of 1. This means more people
> need to put the option above of FD than people who put the option
> below FD, or the option gets d
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 11:46:23AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>...
> A possible solution is to drop the majority requirement
> and have a quorum on the number of people that vote
>...
A quorum on the number of people who vote means that a vote against the
proposal counts for the quorum.
Assuming
What you say is all correct, although I suppose people might be able
to get at least a rough poll of voter preferences if they actually
care. Assuming people don't know enough details about others'
preferences to vote strategically is basically security by obscurity
so I wouldn't want to rely upon
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 11:57, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 11:46:23AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > A possible solution is to drop the majority requirement
> > and have a quorum on the number of people that vote ...
>
> A quorum on the number of people who vote means that a vote aga
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 12:15:25PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote:
> Making a system more complicated to try and address a specific
> deficiency rarely reduces its attack surface. In this case, our voting
> system involves multiple levels (quorum, majority, ranking resolution)
> each with its ow
Le lundi 05 avril 2021 à 14:07:13+0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 12:15:25PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote:
> > Making a system more complicated to try and address a specific
> > deficiency rarely reduces its attack surface. In this case, our voting
> > system involves mult
On 4/4/21 7:37 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Non-voting posters to debian-vote are almost exclusively outside agitators
> and there's no reason subscribing to debian-vote should mean receiving their
> bullshit in our mailboxes.
i don't disagree with any of the above, but in order to try to lend a
b
Le dimanche 04 avril 2021 à 16:37:15-0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 03:09:10PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 12:18 +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
>
> > > People without voting rights repeatedly tried to lobby or push for a
> > > certain agenda on this
Given that Friday was Autism Awareness Day, it might be worth noting
that RMS is clearly "on the spectrum" - and well known since the days he
slept in his office at MIT (my student days).
Why is it that nobody ever gives him any leeway for that?
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no differ
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:33 AM Barak A. Pearlmutter
wrote:
>
> Moving FD around in the
> ordering is an example of this, as is a quorum boycott.
When a center option is likely to fail our majority requirement [1]
should I rank preferable extreme choices above FD even if I am
strictly moderat
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 02:34:28PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Le lundi 05 avril 2021 à 14:07:13+0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
> > On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 12:15:25PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote:
> > > Making a system more complicated to try and address a specific
> > > deficiency rarely
On 4/5/21 3:29 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Given that Friday was Autism Awareness Day, it might be worth noting
> that RMS is clearly "on the spectrum" - and well known since the days he
> slept in his office at MIT (my student days).
>
> Why is it that nobody ever gives him any leeway for that?
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 04:26:25PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> For people living in a country like Germany where the shares of
> representation in parliament are based on the nationwide vote,
The Bundestagswahl is a weird combination of direct vote and
proportional vote with a minority blocking c
Le lundi 05 avril 2021 à 16:04:58+0200, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
> On 4/5/21 3:29 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Given that Friday was Autism Awareness Day, it might be worth noting
> > that RMS is clearly "on the spectrum" - and well known since the days he
> > slept in his office at MIT (my studen
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 06:35:52AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
>...
> would it be better for a voting system to
> quadruple-count, or otherwise strengthen, options voters rank in the
> middle—thereby recognizing that a compromise between two or more sides
> is always a prerequisite for peace?
This
Someone privately made me realize that what I wrote is probably not nice
to read for autistic people. It was not my intention to hurt anyone, and
I have nothing against autistic people, who in some cases, are capable
of being leaders.
On 4/5/21 4:12 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Whether RMS ha
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 03:03:48PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Le dimanche 04 avril 2021 à 16:37:15-0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> > On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 03:09:10PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 12:18 +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> > > > People without voting
People are free to express their opinion. That does not mean the Debian
Project is obligated to provide a platform for those opinions on the
debian-vote mailing list, which exists to facilitate discussions among
voting members of the Debian Project regarding matters that will be voted
on.
Non
"Barak A. Pearlmutter" writes:
> Let's say a cohort of voters prefers option APRICOT to option BANANA,
> but would like neither (FD) even better. However they are well aware
> that there's no way FD will win.
> It is possible that if they vote their true preference,
> FD > APRICOT > BANANA
> t
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