On 14/03/10 at 14:44 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> This is for all candidates.
>
> Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just
> technically but also socially. Apart from the standard issues of setting
> deadlines, RC bug counts being high, and similar difficult technical
>
Hello,
another question to all candidates (this question is inspired by a recent
event).
Most of you have answered that it's not possible to regulate the heated
discussions but it's possible to set a good example. If only the leader
behaves properly, it will still be difficult to make the climate
This is for all candidates.
In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
little bit diminished. I am not saying that noone seems to care, but
Hi!
Stefano Zacchiroli schrieb:
> In fact, we are already quite peculiar in both above two points, but we
> are often not seen as such because we are not particularly good at
> communicating them. I'd like Debian to fix that way earlier than 10
> years from now :-)
How?
Best regards,
Alexan
Marc Haber wrote:
> In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
> Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
> into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
> little bit diminished.
Good question and quite true.
IMO it's worth ad
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:52:44PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> IMO it's worth adding to that:
> - Debian Installer development
> - Porting: several ports are struggling
> - Documentation maintenance:
> - website
> - Release Notes
> - various other guides
Agreed. Any more additions by othe
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Most of you have answered that it's not possible to regulate the heated
> discussions but it's possible to set a good example. If only the leader
> behaves properly, it will still be difficult to make the climate change.
> But if all the d
Hi!
Marc Haber schrieb:
>> - Debian Installer development
>> - Porting: several ports are struggling
>> - Documentation maintenance:
>> - website
>> - Release Notes
>> - various other guides
> Agreed. Any more additions by others?
ftp-team and more or less everything PR related.
Best re
Le lundi 15 mars 2010 à 12:54 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
> Agreed. Any more additions by others?
Core packages: glibc, kernel, X.org, Mozilla, KDE, GNOME…
These are the packages everything else is built upon, yet people are
more interested in adding yet another implementation of existing
functio
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just
> technically but also socially. Apart from the standard issues of setting
> deadlines, RC bug counts being high, and similar difficult technical
> issues, the process seems
Le Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs a écrit :
> Hello =)
Hello again :)
> Sometimes technical Debian discussions (mailing lists, bug reports,
> blog posts, etc.) become personal flame-wars.
>
> Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is
> acceptable for
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Lucas Nussbaum
wrote:
> During the last debconf, the freeze of squeeze was first announced to
> take place in December, then this decision was cancelled, and now we are
> in March.
> - How do you analyze what happened during last summer? What went wrong?
What wen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
> problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
> fact that "new packages" doesn't help Debian if our Core stuff is
> diminishing? I know that this is not
Margarita Manterola wrote:
> I think that most of the frustration comes from the fact that the
> release team is lacking manpower. The job of the release team is very
> stressful and very rarely do the RM and RA feel that their work is
> appreciated.
I disagree. I think the main problem is that t
Hi Frans,
Let me first start by stating that I'm sadly concerned about the tone
of your mail.
Nobody claims that the release process has been done perfectly, there
have been mistakes, but we are all human and we can all make mistakes.
It's alright to point those mistakes out so that people can c
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:13:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Most of you have answered that it's not possible to regulate the heated
> discussions but it's possible to set a good example. If only the leader
> behaves properly, it will still be difficult to make the climate change.
> But if al
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 09:10:23AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> A new Code of Conduct has already been drafted, but it has never been
> put into practice.
What are you referring to here when you write "Code of Conduct"? Do you
mean the Debian Community Guidelines (as I guess), or rather
htt
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 09:10:23AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
>> A new Code of Conduct has already been drafted, but it has never been
>> put into practice.
>
> What are you referring to here when you write "Code of Conduct"? Do y
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:47:07PM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> > In fact, we are already quite peculiar in both above two points, but we
> > are often not seen as such because we are not particularly good at
> > communicating them. I'd like Debian to fix that way earlier than 10
> > y
Hi Wouter,
Hi Charles,
I'm still waiting for your platforms. I would have liked to
publish them last Friday, and already postponed it to today.
If I don't receive them by tomorrow around this hour I will
start to publish the others that I did receive.
I'm also going to postpone the rebuttal and
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
> problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
> fact that "new packages" doesn't help Debian if our Core stuff is
> diminishing? I know that this
Marc Haber wrote:
> - dpkg still uses normal console prompting for dpkg-conffile
> handling, while debconf has been mandatory for regular packages for
> years now.
Dpkg has more active development now than it has for much of the
past fifteen years. And they've even talked some about impl
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:44:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just
> technically but also socially.
To some extent, I believe it is normal. Releases are our main
"products", they define our purpose. The people which are putting their
Hi,
On Sun Mar 14, 2010 at 22:10:30 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> - it is not easy enough accessible to DDs (I know, it is enough to
> become a SPI member and subscribe to the list, but I still believe it
> should be _easier_, e.g. a directory somewhere with archived .txt
> files acces
Before I start answering mails and get to the campaigning bit, I should
apologise for not writing my platform before the candidacy submission
deadline. I agree (in hindsight) with the general feeling here that
platforms should be available by the time campaigning starts.
As I stated in my candidac
[ Please: can people that follow-up with different questions change the
subject accordingly? I believe it would make easier to read the
question archive afterwords. ]
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:09:19AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> During the last debconf, the freeze of squeeze was first anno
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:02:59AM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this question goes to all candidates:
>
> The Debian Project receives quite a number of monetary donations as well
> as contributions in kind via several umbrella organization like SPI,
> ffis, debian.ch, etc.
>
> a)
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Marc Haber wrote:
> > - The concept of "all services are immediately started after
> > configuration" and "deleting all stop/start links will cause the
> > package's defaults to be re-established on the next package update"
> >
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:56:17PM +0700, Paul Wise wrote:
> #include
>
> How much time do you currently devote to Debian?
That's hard to say. It varies.
Part of being a self-employed consultant is that you get to choose your
own hours (to some extent, of course). There are weeks, that I don't
Marc Haber (15/03/2010):
> Maybe we failed to provide such a "two-liner", which in fact is,
> unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
> Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d is (almost?) nonexistent.
Maybe running reportbug would be more efficient than talking abou
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:57AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Marc Haber (15/03/2010):
> > Maybe we failed to provide such a "two-liner", which in fact is,
> > unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
> > Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d is (almost?) nonexi
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:13:02PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> SPI's Treasurer, Michael Schultheiss, (and by the way Debian Developer)
> does a really good job by sending out monthly Treasurer's Reports which
> are in every monthly meeting minutes linked from
> http://www.spi-inc.org/corpora
Hi Raphael,
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 08:18:00AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hello,
>
> this is a question to all DPL candidates.
>
> Imagine a DD contacts you, she wants to setup an infrastructure to finance
> Debian related projects (i.e. paying people to enable them to work on the
> project
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:35:28AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> Hello =)
>
> Please finish "In ten years I'd like Debian"
...to still be the distribution I consider to be the best one out there.
It is today, has been for the past nine years, and it would be a shame
if I found myself movin
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> Hello =)
>
> Sometimes technical Debian discussions (mailing lists, bug reports,
> blog posts, etc.) become personal flame-wars.
Indeed.
> Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is
> acceptable for the Debia
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:57AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Marc Haber (15/03/2010):
> > Maybe we failed to provide such a "two-liner", which in fact is,
> > unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
> > Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d is (almost?) nonexi
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:17:06AM +0700, Paul Wise wrote:
> Dear candidates,
>
> Debian has a lot of project communications media; lists, forums, IRC,
> planet, bts, RT. There are also a lot of external communications media
> covering Debian; news media, , social networks, blogs, microblogging
>
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:44:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> This is for all candidates.
>
> Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just
> technically but also socially. Apart from the standard issues of setting
> deadlines, RC bug counts being high, and similar difficu
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:09:19AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 14/03/10 at 14:44 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > This is for all candidates.
> >
> > Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just
> > technically but also socially. Apart from the standard issues of settin
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:12:02AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> I also don't think it is a bad thing, in principle, if Debian were to
> pay people to work on Debian. However, it is generally a bad idea if
> some cabal were to select who could get Debian monies and who couldn't;
> I believe that
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:13:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hello,
>
> another question to all candidates (this question is inspired by a recent
> event).
Could you comment on what event, exactly, you are talking about?
(Don't feel too compelled to if you believe this would unnecessa
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> This is for all candidates.
>
> In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
> Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
> into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 04:53:20PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:12:02AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > I also don't think it is a bad thing, in principle, if Debian were to
> > pay people to work on Debian. However, it is generally a bad idea if
> > some cabal were t
Package: debian-www
Severity: wishlist
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:13:02PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> > SPI's Treasurer, Michael Schultheiss, (and by the way Debian Developer)
> > does a really good job by sending out monthly Treasurer's Repo
Wouter Verhelst writes:
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> > Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is
> > acceptable for the Debian project?
>
> I believe no amount of ad-hominem discussion is acceptable.
There's a significant difference b
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 06:14:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 04:09:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> > That meeting took place in May of last year. What's the point of discussing
> > it almost 9 months later? What exactly triggered your blog post?
>
> We are in an election
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:11:39PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst writes:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> > > Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is
> > > acceptable for the Debian project?
> >
> > I believe no amount o
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> b) What qualifies a contributor to become a "Debian Partner"? What
>> qualifies a "Debian Partner"?
>
> I don't think we have a formal list of "Debian Partners" (but I could be
> wrong). I'm also not convinced we need one.
>
> If we do
Reading Wouter's post in this thread just now I realize I made a fairly
stupid mistake when writing my mail.
Frans Pop wrote:
> This seems to be what the RT has been focussing on after Sarge. [...]
s/Sarge/Etch/
> During the Sarge release these two sides were in balance. After that, for
> Sarge
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