As a matter of a fact, I agree with your mail quite fully, and people
that read me about this already won't be surprised. There is though some
bits that you address that wasn't discussed recently yet, so I'd like to
comment on them.
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 01:38:02AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> How to integrate a concept of DM then?
> --
>
> First - by starting in the right area - getting it into the NM system by
> talking to all those involved. There is FrontDesk, DAM and also the
> NM-Committee, the la
Disclaimer: I'm not AM (I tried to but the first two NM were so slow that
they ended up on hold and left enrico alone to handle them when they came
back to life).
Moving to debian-newmaint, this has nothing to do on -vote. Please respect
reply-to.
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> H
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:39:29AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 08:48:26PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> > Essentially the proposal allows non-DD maintainers (we have 900+, see the
> > thread starting at [1] for details) to upload their own packages IF AND
* Holger Levsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070727 13:02]:
> Sure. But why shouldnt trusted non-DDs not be able to upload their teams
> packages? And a subscriber and active Debian Edu developer I think it would
> make complete sense and would be helpful, if certain non-DDs from our team
> (not all of
Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Holger Levsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070727 13:02]:
> > Sure. But why shouldnt trusted non-DDs not be able to upload their teams
> > packages? And a subscriber and active Debian Edu developer I think it would
> > make complete sense and would be helpful, if certain non-DDs
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070728 10:02]:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > How to integrate a concept of DM then?
> > --
> >
> > First - by starting in the right area - getting it into the NM system by
> > talking to all those
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070728 11:37]:
> Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Holger Levsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070727 13:02]:
> > > Sure. But why shouldnt trusted non-DDs not be able to upload their teams
> > > packages? And a subscriber and active Debian Edu developer I think it
> > > woul
Hi mates
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:32:02 pm Martin Schulze wrote:
> Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Holger Levsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070727 13:02]:
> > > Sure. But why shouldnt trusted non-DDs not be able to upload their
> > > teams packages? And a subscriber and active Debian Edu developer I
> > > thin
On Saturday 28 July 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 08:48:26PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
wrote:
> > Essentially the proposal allows non-DD maintainers (we have 900+, see
> > the thread starting at [1] for details) to upload their own packages IF
> > AND ONLY IF their
Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070728 11:37]:
> > Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > * Holger Levsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070727 13:02]:
> > > > Sure. But why shouldnt trusted non-DDs not be able to upload their
> > > > teams
> > > > packages? And a subscriber and active Deb
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070728 10:02]:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > How to integrate a concept of DM then?
> > > --
> > >
> > > First - by starting in the right area -
Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> - step 2: waiting for an AM.
> Step 2: is not long nowadays, maybe 1 month. Well, if people can't
> wait a month, then they should not help Debian-we-release-every-10-years
> in the first place ;)
I disagree. I was advocated on 7 Mar 2007. I then waited 79 days during wh
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 03:24:11PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>
> > - step 2: waiting for an AM.
>
> > Step 2: is not long nowadays, maybe 1 month. Well, if people can't
> > wait a month, then they should not help Debian-we-release-every-10-years
> > in the first place
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 02:32:12PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070728 10:02]:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > > How to integrate a concept of DM then?
> > > >
Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > Why are you setting up a buildd network not handled by the buildd admins
> > and by DSA ? (No need to reply, it's just to show you the parallel)
>
> Nice ad-hominem. It's always a pleasure to see how easily you fall in
> those traps when you don't have proper argument
Hi,
We are now nearing the end of the first (out of two) week of
this vote. At the time of writing, 190 people have voted, out of a
potential 1035. Detailed stats are to be found at:
http://master.debian.org/~srivasta/gr_dm/
People who have voted should see their names at:
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If someone doesn't want to be a DD because the NM process is broken, we
> should fix the NM process. If someone doesn't want to be a DD because of
> laziness or whatever other excuse, I think the current rules are
> perfect.
I don't want to be a DD be
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:04:20AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:12:46PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > And so on. The thread you point is an excellent proof of the fact that
> > you seem to be quite alone in your point. Honnestly, if you don't like
> > the project whe
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070728 14:57]:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > Oh crap. Why invent new comittees in the first place? And BTW, why don't
> > speak with DAM/FD/NM-committee first, before starting new things?
> > Rewirting from scratch is mostly not a good idea.
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070728 13:27]:
> Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070728 11:37]:
> > > Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > > * Holger Levsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070727 13:02]:
> > > > > Sure. But why shouldnt trusted non-DDs not be able to upload their
>
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 07:55:18PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
[...]
> Sure, "Don't quit Debian then" is a valid response (though I'm perhaps
> old-fashioned in terms of thinking that as a full member of an
> organisation I have a duty to participate in its democratic process,
> which I'm not
Le samedi 28 juillet 2007 à 19:55 +0100, Matthew Garrett a écrit :
> Sure, "Don't quit Debian then" is a valid response (though I'm perhaps
> old-fashioned in terms of thinking that as a full member of an
> organisation I have a duty to participate in its democratic process,
> which I'm not enth
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 02:56:39PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:04:20AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:12:46PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > > And so on. The thread you point is an excellent proof of the fact that
> > > you seem to be quit
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le samedi 28 juillet 2007 =E0 19:55 +0100, Matthew Garrett a =E9crit :
>> Sure, "Don't quit Debian then" is a valid response (though I'm perhaps=20
>> old-fashioned in terms of thinking that as a full member of an=20
>> organisation I have a duty to par
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