Re: GR status

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:02:18PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 07:52:10PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Editorial amendments to the social contract > > > I believe that both of these GRs can begin the SRP immediately. They > > were designed to be mutually independent

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Stephen Stafford
Quoting MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2004-02-21 20:09:57 + Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I firmly believe that keeping non-free and contrib until such time as > > ALL of > > the needs of our users can be met from main is a good thing. > > As you write it, this is

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:22:34AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-02-21 23:50:37 + Sean 'Shaleh' Perry > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I second this. > > How can you? Is it a proposal or an amendment? Donkey or poultry? > > Did you forget your GnuPG signature, or have I broken my email ag

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:48:48AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > I propose that the Debian project resolve that: > > == > Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-23 14:37:35 + Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO it will be decided by simple evolution. When everything that users want to do can be done with software in main, then there won't be the incentive for developers to carry on maintaining packages in non-free. I th

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-23 16:21:29 + Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I suppose that Sean's comment was in light of both ATI and NVidia, being the two major graphic card vendors out there, decision to no more provide documentation for their recent graphic card, thus meaning the death of 3D suppo

Re: attempt to list current proposals

2004-02-23 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:17:19PM +, Jochen Voss wrote: > 2) Raul Miller > submitted 9 Feb 2004 > > No seconds > > Maybe there are older version with seconds? I'm dropping my proposals in favor of the one recently proposed by Anthony Towns. [Aside: I've been off the net sin

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 04:16:46PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-02-23 16:21:29 + Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >I suppose that Sean's comment was in light of both ATI and NVidia, > >being > >the two major graphic card vendors out there, decision to no more > >provide documen

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-23 19:57:21 + Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, if you manage to persuade those players, and a bunch of other binary-only driver writers, to free their stuff, more power to you, [...] Given your previous comments about the unicorn device and your role with XFree86,

Debian Project Leader Elections

2004-02-23 Thread Debian Project Secretary
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, We are well into the final week of he nomination period for candidates for the position of the Debian Project Leader. Time Line: Nomination period: Feb 7th 00:00:01 UTC -- Feb 28th 00:00:00 UTC Campaigning period: Feb 28th 00:0

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [040221 17:10]: > I propose that the Debian project resolve that: > > == > Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the use of > programs that don't conform to the Debian Fr

Re: GR status

2004-02-23 Thread Chris Lawrence
Andrew Suffield wrote: I would hope that everybody who has a vote already knows what we want the social contract to say, because they agreed to it when they joined the project. The question of whether or not to keep non-free is entirely orthogonal and does not affect this GR, by design. Uh,

Re: GR status

2004-02-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [040223 04:40]: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 07:52:10PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Editorial amendments to the social contract > > > I believe that both of these GRs can begin the SRP immediately. They > > were designed to be mutually independent so the

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:17:13AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-02-21 20:09:57 + Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >I firmly believe that keeping non-free and contrib until such time as ALL of > >the needs of our users can be met from main is a good thing. > > As you write

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:48:48AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > I propose that the Debian project resolve that: > > == > Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the use of > programs that don't conform to the Deb

Re: GR status

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:02:18PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 07:52:10PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Editorial amendments to the social contract > > > I believe that both of these GRs can begin the SRP immediately. They > > were designed to be mutually independent

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Stephen Stafford
Quoting MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2004-02-21 20:09:57 + Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I firmly believe that keeping non-free and contrib until such time as > > ALL of > > the needs of our users can be met from main is a good thing. > > As you write it, this is

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:48:48AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > I propose that the Debian project resolve that: > > == > Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:22:34AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-02-21 23:50:37 + Sean 'Shaleh' Perry > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I second this. > > How can you? Is it a proposal or an amendment? Donkey or poultry? > > Did you forget your GnuPG signature, or have I broken my email ag

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-23 14:37:35 + Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO it will be decided by simple evolution. When everything that users want to do can be done with software in main, then there won't be the incentive for developers to carry on maintaining packages in non-free. I think

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-23 16:21:29 + Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I suppose that Sean's comment was in light of both ATI and NVidia, being the two major graphic card vendors out there, decision to no more provide documentation for their recent graphic card, thus meaning the death of 3D support

Re: attempt to list current proposals

2004-02-23 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:17:19PM +, Jochen Voss wrote: > 2) Raul Miller > submitted 9 Feb 2004 > > No seconds > > Maybe there are older version with seconds? I'm dropping my proposals in favor of the one recently proposed by Anthony Towns. [Aside: I've been off the net sin

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 04:16:46PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-02-23 16:21:29 + Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >I suppose that Sean's comment was in light of both ATI and NVidia, > >being > >the two major graphic card vendors out there, decision to no more > >provide documen

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-23 19:57:21 + Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, if you manage to persuade those players, and a bunch of other binary-only driver writers, to free their stuff, more power to you, [...] Given your previous comments about the unicorn device and your role with XFree86, I h

Debian Project Leader Elections

2004-02-23 Thread Debian Project Secretary
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, We are well into the final week of he nomination period for candidates for the position of the Debian Project Leader. Time Line: Nomination period: Feb 7th 00:00:01 UTC -- Feb 28th 00:00:00 UTC Campaigning period: Feb 28th 00:0

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Anthony Towns ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040221 17:10]: > I propose that the Debian project resolve that: > > == > Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the use of > programs that don't conform to the Debian Free So

Re: GR status

2004-02-23 Thread Chris Lawrence
Andrew Suffield wrote: I would hope that everybody who has a vote already knows what we want the social contract to say, because they agreed to it when they joined the project. The question of whether or not to keep non-free is entirely orthogonal and does not affect this GR, by design. Uh, s

Re: GR status

2004-02-23 Thread Andreas Barth
* Anthony Towns ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040223 04:40]: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 07:52:10PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Editorial amendments to the social contract > > > I believe that both of these GRs can begin the SRP immediately. They > > were designed to be mutually independent so they can

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:17:13AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-02-21 20:09:57 + Stephen Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >I firmly believe that keeping non-free and contrib until such time as ALL of > >the needs of our users can be met from main is a good thing. > > As you write

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:48:48AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > I propose that the Debian project resolve that: > > == > Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the use of > programs that don't conform to the Deb