Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-10 Thread Raul Miller
> > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > > > But what problem(s) are you solving, and how is this a better solution > > > > than any of the other proposals? On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:57:14PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > What's your definition of a "problem"?

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:52:23AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:27:30PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > It is the process of voting which will enable us to measure what we want > > to do. How we *act* upon that measurement is the "cutting". > > Yes, and making a res

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:24:16PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > > But what problem(s) are you solving, and how is this a better solution > > > than any of the other proposals? > > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:57:14PM -0500, Branden Ro

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-10 Thread Raul Miller
> > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > > > But what problem(s) are you solving, and how is this a better solution > > > > than any of the other proposals? On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:57:14PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > What's your definition of a "problem"?

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:52:23AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:27:30PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > It is the process of voting which will enable us to measure what we want > > to do. How we *act* upon that measurement is the "cutting". > > Yes, and making a res

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:24:16PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > > But what problem(s) are you solving, and how is this a better solution > > > than any of the other proposals? > > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:57:14PM -0500, Branden Ro

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:27:30PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 12:37:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > So far, people seem to be taking the position that it will better to > > > first vote on whether or not we're going to move in this direction (a > > > super major

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-08 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:27:30PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 12:37:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > So far, people seem to be taking the position that it will better to > > > first vote on whether or not we're going to move in this direction (a > > > super major

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 12:37:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > So far, people seem to be taking the position that it will better to > > first vote on whether or not we're going to move in this direction (a > > super majority decision) and then, once that decision is made to focus > > on the det

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-08 Thread Raul Miller
> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > But what problem(s) are you solving, and how is this a better solution > > than any of the other proposals? On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:57:14PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > What's your definition of a "problem"? In this context

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > But what problem(s) are you solving, and how is this a better solution > than any of the other proposals? What's your definition of a "problem"? -- G. Branden Robinson| You are not angry with people when Debian GN

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 12:37:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > So far, people seem to be taking the position that it will better to > > first vote on whether or not we're going to move in this direction (a > > super majority decision) and then, once that decision is made to focus > > on the det

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-08 Thread Raul Miller
> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > But what problem(s) are you solving, and how is this a better solution > > than any of the other proposals? On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:57:14PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > What's your definition of a "problem"? In this context

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > But what problem(s) are you solving, and how is this a better solution > than any of the other proposals? What's your definition of a "problem"? -- G. Branden Robinson| You are not angry with people when Debian GN

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 05:05:33PM -0800, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > > Instead of severing non-free all at once, why not try and phase it out > > more progressively? > It doesn't take a wild imagination to guess that if any proposal t

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 05:05:33PM -0800, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > > Instead of severing non-free all at once, why not try and phase it out > > more progressively? > It doesn't take a wild imagination to guess that if any proposal t

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 05:05:33PM -0800, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > So far, people seem to be taking the position that it will better to > first vote on whether or not we're going to move in this direction (a > super majority decision) and then, once that decision is made to focus > on the details.

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-05 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > Instead of severing non-free all at once, why not try and phase it out > more progressively? It doesn't take a wild imagination to guess that if any proposal to remove non-free passes it will either involve or lead to some sort of

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 05:05:33PM -0800, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > So far, people seem to be taking the position that it will better to > first vote on whether or not we're going to move in this direction (a > super majority decision) and then, once that decision is made to focus > on the details.

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-05 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > Instead of severing non-free all at once, why not try and phase it out > more progressively? It doesn't take a wild imagination to guess that if any proposal to remove non-free passes it will either involve or lead to some sort of

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-04 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Suffield wrote: > One thing that we do learn from popularity-contest is that > popularity-contest doesn't work. The sample size is too small. That's why we've made popularity-contest be installed by default for sarge. Of course the user still has to choose whether or not to turn it on. --

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-04 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Suffield wrote: > One thing that we do learn from popularity-contest is that > popularity-contest doesn't work. The sample size is too small. That's why we've made popularity-contest be installed by default for sarge. Of course the user still has to choose whether or not to turn it on. --

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-04 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > Instead of severing non-free all at once, why not try and phase it out > more progressively? Nobody did this until now. Why should somebody do it now? Those who'd like to see non-free go probably don't want to 'get their hands dirt

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > Instead of severing non-free all at once, why not try and phase it out > more progressively? Isn't "months" slow enough already? > I would propose the next release include a package that periodically > checks what non-free package

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-04 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > Instead of severing non-free all at once, why not try and phase it out > more progressively? Nobody did this until now. Why should somebody do it now? Those who'd like to see non-free go probably don't want to 'get their hands dirt

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-04 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > I would propose the next release include a package that periodically > checks what non-free packages are installed. The results would be sent > to a Debian server for statistics gathering. The user would be > prompted to enable the

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > Instead of severing non-free all at once, why not try and phase it out > more progressively? Isn't "months" slow enough already? > I would propose the next release include a package that periodically > checks what non-free package

Re: Revoking non-free less violently

2004-01-04 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Brian McGroarty wrote: > I would propose the next release include a package that periodically > checks what non-free packages are installed. The results would be sent > to a Debian server for statistics gathering. The user would be > prompted to enable the