On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:52:23AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:27:30PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > It is the process of voting which will enable us to measure what we want > > to do. How we *act* upon that measurement is the "cutting". > > Yes, and making a resolution is the process of acting. Changing our social > contract is acting. Removing non-free is acting.
Yup -- and none of those three *necessarily* causes the other actions to be taken. It still takes human effort to make each of them happen. > > Passing a GR, in and of itself, does nothing tangible, > > Tell me you're seriously claiming that passing a GR that resolves to > remove non-free and amend the social contract will result in no tangible > changes. I do not claim is necessarily won't. I claim it might not. There is always the possibility of rebellion through inaction of those whose responsibility it would be to carry out the GR. As the Constitution puts it, "[n]othing in this constitution imposes an obligation on anyone to do work for the Project. A person who does not want to do a task which has been delegated or assigned to them does not need to do it. However, they must not actively work against these rules and decisions properly made under them." This tellingly leaves open the possibilty of people *passively* working against rules and decision properly made under constitutional processes[1]. Which is to say that merely passing a GR isn't enough. Depending on the nature of the resolution, one may have to have buy-in from certain quarters within the Project to see a resolution carried out in practice. It would be careless to assume that such buy-in has taken place. [1] At this point I expect a dramatically-worded (but carelessly-typed) and strenous objection from a certain participant on this list, who is likely to accuse me of a failure of personal integrity for even claiming that such a possibility exists, despite the implication of same in our Constitution. Indeed, the failure to adhere to the mythology that everyone acts in perfect harmony and perfect understanding of shared goals shared is tantamount to mortal sin, and if I persist in my frank observations regarding the dynamics of volunteer projects, I will surely be turned into a pillar of salt[2]. [2] Ah, I begin to see how Ayn Rand fits into the picture at last. Remeber the (near-)end of _Atlas Shrugged_, when Dagny is commanded to block out objective reality by deliberately refusing to perceive the lights of New York City going out, as the enterprise of the "looters" reaches its grim climax? I, for one, hope that the Debian Project does not resemble the Objectivist Movement[3] in with respect its social dynamics, and that we can eschew the practice of assailing our compatriots with accusations of corrupt moral character for uttering "badthink". A quick survey of certain responses to most of my contributions to this discussion, however, will reveal how far we have yet to go. [3] http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html -- G. Branden Robinson | There is no housing shortage in Debian GNU/Linux | Lincoln today -- just a rumor that [EMAIL PROTECTED] | is put about by people who have http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | nowhere to live. -- G. L. Murfin
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