On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 04:01:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> In the case of [0], Enrico certainly doesn't seem to have been satisfied
> at the outcome and that frustration seems to be resulting in him
> expressing some outrage at communications issues on my behalf [4],
> and you seem to have be
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 04:01:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> In the case of [0], Enrico certainly doesn't seem to have been satisfied
> at the outcome and that frustration seems to be resulting in him
> expressing some outrage at communications issues on my behalf [4],
> and you seem to have be
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:45:23AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
So, in trying to avoid wasting everyone's time with these things, so
I've sat on this response for a few days.
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 02:52:33PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden R
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:45:23AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
So, in trying to avoid wasting everyone's time with these things, so
I've sat on this response for a few days.
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 02:52:33PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden R
* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 14:03]:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:35:18AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > Please keep what I said about core teams in mind and re-read
> > "Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency".
> > Many of the points I raise there e
* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 14:03]:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:35:18AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > Please keep what I said about core teams in mind and re-read
> > "Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency".
> > Many of the points I raise there e
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:35:18AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> Please keep what I said about core teams in mind and re-read
> "Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency". Many
> of the points I raise there equally apply to (big) packages and other
> technical matters.
At
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:35:18AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> Please keep what I said about core teams in mind and re-read
> "Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency". Many
> of the points I raise there equally apply to (big) packages and other
> technical matters.
At
* Anthony Towns [2004-03-03 14:37]:
> Hrm, you're right. I was trying to find some quotes that indicated you
> both thought that, technically, things were acceptable as they are;
> Martin's comment doesn't quite indicate that out of context. The quotes
> were meant to indicate you were of a simila
* Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 14:37]:
> Hrm, you're right. I was trying to find some quotes that indicated you
> both thought that, technically, things were acceptable as they are;
> Martin's comment doesn't quite indicate that out of context. The quotes
> were meant to indicate y
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 03:17:55PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
>
> As is probably obvious, I have a tendency to answer questions that
> interest me, whether they were intended rhetorically or not.
I seldom ask purely rhetorical q
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 02:52:33PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > Who do you think should be subscribed to -devel, and what sort of
> > > discussions do you think should make up the majority of the traffic? If
> > > reality does
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
As is probably obvious, I have a tendency to answer questions that
interest me, whether they were intended rhetorically or not.
> > First: "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made
> > common cause to creat
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Who do you think should be subscribed to -devel, and what sort of
> > discussions do you think should make up the majority of the traffic? If
> > reality doesn't match those desires, what, if anything, will you do to
> > change t
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 08:11:16PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Of the technical issues that aren't being communicated about well
> > enough, Branden says "In my opinion, and on balance, we do an adequate
> > job on these points
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:16PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I think you're positing a false dilemma. That creating a technically
> excellent distribution of 100% Free Software is our primary goal, and
> raison d'être, doesn't mean that every activity not in obvious and
> direct service of
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 08:11:16PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Two topics for the candidates' consideration and discussion.
>
> First: "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made
> common cause to create a free operating system." Presumably this means
> our primary focus s
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 03:17:55PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
>
> As is probably obvious, I have a tendency to answer questions that
> interest me, whether they were intended rhetorically or not.
I seldom ask purely rhetorical q
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 02:52:33PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > Who do you think should be subscribed to -devel, and what sort of
> > > discussions do you think should make up the majority of the traffic? If
> > > reality does
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
As is probably obvious, I have a tendency to answer questions that
interest me, whether they were intended rhetorically or not.
> > First: "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made
> > common cause to creat
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Who do you think should be subscribed to -devel, and what sort of
> > discussions do you think should make up the majority of the traffic? If
> > reality doesn't match those desires, what, if anything, will you do to
> > change t
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 08:11:16PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Of the technical issues that aren't being communicated about well
> > enough, Branden says "In my opinion, and on balance, we do an adequate
> > job on these points
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:16PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I think you're positing a false dilemma. That creating a technically
> excellent distribution of 100% Free Software is our primary goal, and
> raison d'être, doesn't mean that every activity not in obvious and
> direct service of
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 08:11:16PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Two topics for the candidates' consideration and discussion.
>
> First: "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made
> common cause to create a free operating system." Presumably this means
> our primary focus s
Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have no problem with that content. I dislike reading rants, though.
Actually, I would like to hear how the candidates deal with a rant.
On 02 Mar 2004 17:55:08 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Debian Project Secretary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> On 02 Mar 2004 11:43:29 +0100, Falk Hueffner
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>> Please unsubscribe from debian-vote if you do not wish to hear the
>> opinions of the ca
On 02 Mar 2004 17:53:14 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I am not objecting to asking about the issues mentioned. I am not
> objecting to abybody answering them. I am objecting to abusing a
> questionnaire as a platorm for a rant.
A DD can ask a question that they feel pa
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 05:39:48PM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> > Seems I have still not made myself clear. I am not objecting to asking
> > about the issues mentioned. I am not objecting to abybody answering
> > them.
>
> And I disapprove of you objecti
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 05:39:48PM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> Seems I have still not made myself clear. I am not objecting to asking
> about the issues mentioned. I am not objecting to abybody answering
> them.
And I disapprove of you objecting to candidates answering those questions.
> I am o
Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have no problem with that content. I dislike reading rants, though.
Actually, I would like to hear how the candidates deal with a rant.
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On 02 Mar 2004 17:55:08 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Debian Project Secretary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> On 02 Mar 2004 11:43:29 +0100, Falk Hueffner
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>> Please unsubscribe from debian-vote if you do not wish to hear the
>> opinions of the ca
On 02 Mar 2004 17:53:14 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I am not objecting to asking about the issues mentioned. I am not
> objecting to abybody answering them. I am objecting to abusing a
> questionnaire as a platorm for a rant.
A DD can ask a question that they feel pa
Debian Project Secretary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 02 Mar 2004 11:43:29 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> Please unsubscribe from debian-vote if you do not wish to hear
> the opinions of the candidates on politically charged issues as well
> as ordinary technical
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 02 Mar 2004 13:31:19 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Do you really think a useful and productive discussion could come
> > from a candidate trying to answer this question? I don't. I would be
> > pretty annoyed if I was to an
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 05:39:48PM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> > Seems I have still not made myself clear. I am not objecting to asking
> > about the issues mentioned. I am not objecting to abybody answering
> > them.
>
> And I disapprove of you objecti
On 02 Mar 2004 11:43:29 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Anthony Towns writes:
>> [...] Do you believe that developers should be (or are) equally
>> willing to have a dialogue with people who provide criticism
>> consisting of suggestions of alternatives, discussion of tradeoffs
On 02 Mar 2004 13:31:19 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Do you really think a useful and productive discussion could come
> from a candidate trying to answer this question? I don't. I would be
> pretty annoyed if I was to answer them.
But you are not the candidate. They
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 05:39:48PM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> Seems I have still not made myself clear. I am not objecting to asking
> about the issues mentioned. I am not objecting to abybody answering
> them.
And I disapprove of you objecting to candidates answering those questions.
> I am o
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't think this is a reasonable question, and I disagree with the
> point I think you're trying to make.
>
> On the other hand, I think the questions you're talking about were
> reasonable, if a bit verbose. I hope the candidates address at least
> so
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 01:31:19PM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> Do you really think a useful and productive discussion could come from
> a candidate trying to answer this question? I don't. I would be pretty
> annoyed if I was to answer them.
I don't think this is a reasonable question, and I dis
Debian Project Secretary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 02 Mar 2004 11:43:29 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> Please unsubscribe from debian-vote if you do not wish to hear
> the opinions of the candidates on politically charged issues as well
> as ordinary technical
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 02 Mar 2004 13:31:19 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Do you really think a useful and productive discussion could come
> > from a candidate trying to answer this question? I don't. I would be
> > pretty annoyed if I was to an
On 02 Mar 2004 11:43:29 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> [...] Do you believe that developers should be (or are) equally
>> willing to have a dialogue with people who provide criticism
>> consisting of suggestions of alternatives, disc
On 02 Mar 2004 13:31:19 +0100, Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Do you really think a useful and productive discussion could come
> from a candidate trying to answer this question? I don't. I would be
> pretty annoyed if I was to answer them.
But you are not the candidate. They
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't think this is a reasonable question, and I disagree with the
> point I think you're trying to make.
>
> On the other hand, I think the questions you're talking about were
> reasonable, if a bit verbose. I hope the candidates address at least
> so
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 01:31:19PM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> Do you really think a useful and productive discussion could come from
> a candidate trying to answer this question? I don't. I would be pretty
> annoyed if I was to answer them.
I don't think this is a reasonable question, and I dis
* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-02 12:44]:
> I, as DPL, am willing to listen to them because there concerns might
> be valid. However, I don't think that most people will listen to a
> mail which basically says "YOU SUCK". Again, I think communication
> is important, and this applies to everyone.
* Anthony Towns [2004-03-02 20:11]:
> First: "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have
> made common cause to create a free operating system." Presumably
> this means our primary focus should be on putting together great
> free software and getting it out to users.
That's righ
Anthony Towns writes:
> That's only one question quoted there. Are you saying you think all
> of the others are unreasonable too, or just that one?
I answered this in another mail.
> I think it's reasonable, and I'd certainly like to know the
> project's position on it.
Do you really think a u
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:43:29AM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > Do you believe that developers should be (or are) equally willing to have
> > a dialogue with people who provide criticism consisting of suggestions
> > of alternatives, discussion of tradeoffs that can and
* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-02 12:44]:
> I, as DPL, am willing to listen to them because there concerns might
> be valid. However, I don't think that most people will listen to a
> mail which basically says "YOU SUCK". Again, I think communication
> is important, and this applies to everyone.
* Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-02 20:11]:
> First: "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have
> made common cause to create a free operating system." Presumably
> this means our primary focus should be on putting together great
> free software and getting it out to
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> That's only one question quoted there. Are you saying you think all
> of the others are unreasonable too, or just that one?
I answered this in another mail.
> I think it's reasonable, and I'd certainly like to know the
> project's position on it.
Do y
Anthony Towns writes:
> [...]
> Do you believe that developers should be (or are) equally willing to have
> a dialogue with people who provide criticism consisting of suggestions
> of alternatives, discussion of tradeoffs that can and should be made
> and helpful bits of code, or people who accom
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:43:29AM +0100, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Do you believe that developers should be (or are) equally willing to have
> > a dialogue with people who provide criticism consisting of suggestions
> > of alternatives, discussion of trad
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...]
> Do you believe that developers should be (or are) equally willing to have
> a dialogue with people who provide criticism consisting of suggestions
> of alternatives, discussion of tradeoffs that can and should be made
> and helpful bits of code,
* Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-03-06 20:53]:
> - Debian did have stronger ties to the FSF in the past. Maybe it is
>time to think about our relationsship with the FSF and try to
>cooperate/communicate more with the FSF in places where it might be
Yes, I'd certainly like to see
* Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-03-06 20:53]:
> - Debian did have stronger ties to the FSF in the past. Maybe it is
>time to think about our relationsship with the FSF and try to
>cooperate/communicate more with the FSF in places where it might be
Yes, I'd certainly like to see
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:53:40PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> I'd like to know the candidate's opinion on the following questions.
> They can either be processed here or during the irc-debate (but I don't
> know if I can make it for the debate physically).
Thanks! These are interesting questio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Banck) writes:
> - Debian did have stronger ties to the FSF in the past. Maybe it is
>time to think about our relationsship with the FSF and try to
>cooperate/communicate more with the FSF in places where it might be
>appropriate, like licensing issues, docu
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 08:53:40PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> I'd like to know the candidate's opinion on the following questions.
> They can either be processed here or during the irc-debate (but I don't
> know if I can make it for the debate physically).
Thanks! These are interesting questio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Banck) writes:
> - Debian did have stronger ties to the FSF in the past. Maybe it is
>time to think about our relationsship with the FSF and try to
>cooperate/communicate more with the FSF in places where it might be
>appropriate, like licensing issues, docu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marcelo E. Magallon) writes:
> With that as an starting point, do you have any opinions regarding
> this topic? Do you regard Debian as an "open enough" organization,
> or do you think there's room for improvement?
There is always room for improvement.
I think w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marcelo E. Magallon) writes:
> With that as an starting point, do you have any opinions regarding
> this topic? Do you regard Debian as an "open enough" organization,
> or do you think there's room for improvement?
There is always room for improvement.
I think
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 08:24:01PM +0100, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
> With that as an starting point, do you have any opinions regarding
> this topic? Do you regard Debian as an "open enough" organization,
> or do you think there's room for improvement?
Both. The level of transparen
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 08:24:01PM +0100, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
> With that as an starting point, do you have any opinions regarding
> this topic? Do you regard Debian as an "open enough" organization,
> or do you think there's room for improvement?
Both. The level of transpare
Le Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 08:24:01PM +0100, Marcelo E. Magallon écrivait:
> outsider, figuring out how Debian works might be possible but it
> won't be easy: there's too much information hiding in too many
> places. "Insiders" have a problem, too. Even if public places is
I do agree wi
Le Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 08:24:01PM +0100, Marcelo E. Magallon écrivait:
> outsider, figuring out how Debian works might be possible but it
> won't be easy: there's too much information hiding in too many
> places. "Insiders" have a problem, too. Even if public places is
I do agree w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cord Beermann) writes:
> Bdale: When i check http://bugs.debian.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED] i find a lot
> of bugs, including the important bugs (#95300, #99642, #108438) that
> already contain fixes or pointers for a fix. These bugs doesn't look
> like as if you have touched th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cord Beermann) writes:
> Bdale: When i check http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i find a lot
> of bugs, including the important bugs (#95300, #99642, #108438) that
> already contain fixes or pointers for a fix. These bugs doesn't look
> like as if you have touched them.
Bug 95300 I
On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 09:42:55PM +0100, Cord Beermann wrote:
> Branden: You made some (to my opinion) very rude and overreacting
> statements against other People namely against 'Jack Howarth'
>
> (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200112/msg8.html)
Hi,
Le Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 09:42:55PM +0100, Cord Beermann écrivait:
> Raphael: You mentioned that you will finish your studies in summer.
> How can you guarantee that you have the time to be DPL after that?
Well, I can't guarantee it. But AFAIK, all previous leaders were
"employed" and had th
On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 09:42:55PM +0100, Cord Beermann wrote:
> Branden: You made some (to my opinion) very rude and overreacting
> statements against other People namely against 'Jack Howarth'
>
>(http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/debian-devel-announce-200112/msg8.html)
Hi,
Le Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 09:42:55PM +0100, Cord Beermann écrivait:
> Raphael: You mentioned that you will finish your studies in summer.
> How can you guarantee that you have the time to be DPL after that?
Well, I can't guarantee it. But AFAIK, all previous leaders were
"employed" and had t
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