> "Milan" == Milan Kupcevic writes:
Milan> An official Debian statement is not about any particular
Milan> individual but about Debian's interests and goals.
Yeah, but in general, I find persuading people to change their minds on
stuff like this to be a waste of list time.
If som
On 3/28/21 5:55 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> "Jonas" == Jonas Smedegaard writes:
>
> Jonas> Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01)
> >> Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a
> >> �crit�: > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing
>
Hi Sam,
Quoting Sam Hartman (2021-03-28 23:55:42)
> > "Jonas" == Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> There were a lot of messages here, and I may have missed some.
Sorry for my part of that: I wish I were able to express my opinions
more compactly.
> When I last paid attention to this, you were co
> "Jonas" == Jonas Smedegaard writes:
Jonas> Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01)
>> Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a
>> �crit�: > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing
>> that the > accusation was not harmful (using
Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 à 20:56:26+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01)
> > Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a �crit�:
> > > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing that the
> > > accusation was not harmful
Hallo,
* Felix Lechner [Sun, Mar 28 2021, 08:12:58AM]:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 5:05 AM Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >
> > You (and others, privately) agree that the
> > accusations are deliberately harmful
>
> That's intent to harm—and maybe malice.
>
> Anyone wishing to harm someone should do so
Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01)
> Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a �crit�:
> > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing that the
> > accusation was not harmful (using other words, yes, and we can
> > nitpick that if really necessary).
Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 à 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing that the
> accusation was not harmful (using other words, yes, and we can nitpick
> that if really necessary). You (and others, privately) agree that the
> accusations
Hi,
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 5:05 AM Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> You (and others, privately) agree that the
> accusations are deliberately harmful
That's intent to harm—and maybe malice.
Anyone wishing to harm someone should do so on their own. I want no part in it.
Kind regards
Felix Lechner
Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2021-03-28 08:17:32)
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:46:03PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2021-03-27 18:19:57)
> > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > > Thanks for your judgements(!), Luke and Enrico.
> > > >
Hi Jonas,
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:46:03PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Hi Wouter,
>
> Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2021-03-27 18:19:57)
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Thanks for your judgements(!), Luke and Enrico.
> > >
> > > For the record, I do
Hi Wouter,
Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2021-03-27 18:19:57)
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Thanks for your judgements(!), Luke and Enrico.
> >
> > For the record, I do not defend actions of RMS. I defend his right
> > to a fair trial.
>
> Nobody is claimin
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Thanks for your judgements(!), Luke and Enrico.
>
> For the record, I do not defend actions of RMS. I defend his right to a
> fair trial.
Nobody is claiming Richard doesn't have the right for a fair trial. He
is still a human b
Hi Martin,
Quoting Martin Steigerwald (2021-03-27 11:13:52)
> On addition: In a sense, Jonas, you said what I wrote below, I think.
> You warned about group shaming. And I may have misread your mail. Cause
> now I am not sure that you actually called him a monster. You wrote that
> users have a
Martin Steigerwald - 27.03.21, 11:13:52 CET:
> On addition: In a sense, Jonas, you said what I wrote below, I think.
> You warned about group shaming. And I may have misread your mail.
> Cause now I am not sure that you actually called him a monster. You
> wrote that users have accused him of being
On addition: In a sense, Jonas, you said what I wrote below, I think.
You warned about group shaming. And I may have misread your mail. Cause
now I am not sure that you actually called him a monster. You wrote that
users have accused him of being one. So in case I misunderstood that,
please acc
Dear Jonas, dear Debian community,
Jonas Smedegaard - 27.03.21, 10:41:57 CET:
> I need no further testimonies or evicence that RMS is a monster.
> Regardless of the amount and type of proof, Debian should in my
> opinion *not* take part in group shaming. And *that* is relevant to
> discuss on thi
Le samedi 27 mars 2021 à 10:41:57+0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> Quoting Enrico Zini (2021-03-27 10:08:06)
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:31:28PM -0700, Luke W Faraone wrote:
> >
> > > Myself, I signed this letter based on both public information and
> > > the numerous times I've heard, unpro
Quoting Enrico Zini (2021-03-27 10:08:06)
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:31:28PM -0700, Luke W Faraone wrote:
>
> > Myself, I signed this letter based on both public information and
> > the numerous times I've heard, unprompted, stories from women and
> > female-presenting people who have had unco
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:31:28PM -0700, Luke W Faraone wrote:
> Myself, I signed this letter based on both public information and the
> numerous times I've heard, unprompted, stories from women and
> female-presenting people who have had uncomfortable / creepy experiences
> with Stallman, in the
On 26/03/2021 05:56, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
- I don't like the term "cancel" because I think it doesn't mean
much anymore and is too loaded.
>>>
>>> Means too little and too much at the same time?!?
>>>
>>> https://www.dictionary.com/e/pop-culture/cancel-culture/ describes
>>> it as a
Hi Anarcat,
Quoting Antoine Beaupré (2021-03-25 20:11:45)
> Hey what's up doc,
>
> On 2021-03-25 00:41:41, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting M dB (2021-03-24 23:55:23)
> >> A few thoughts:
> >>
> >> - I don't like the term "cancel" because I think it doesn't mean
> >> much anymore and is too
M dB wrote:
> Are we discussing a handful of people leaving
> volunteer positions? Yes. Are we discussing ruining their lives? No.
[...]
> Nobody who wants rms off the FSF board is trying to destroy
> his life
I may be wrong, but it looks like Richard Stallman has dedicated his
life (or at least
Hey what's up doc,
On 2021-03-25 00:41:41, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting M dB (2021-03-24 23:55:23)
>> A few thoughts:
>>
>> - I don't like the term "cancel" because I think it doesn't mean much
>> anymore and is too loaded.
>
> Means too little and too much at the same time?!?
>
> https://w
* Sam Hartman:
> I don't think we're going to get much benefit out of a prolonged
> discussion, and I think that there is significant benefit in acting
> quickly in this instance.
I think the appendix to the open letter is problematic, and that might
warrant some discussion. Am I alone in this r
M dB writes:
> - To be explicit to anyone reading this, this is exclusively about the
> Board of the FSF (and to some extent the Voting Membership -- if you're
> reading this you're probably not a voting member). This is not about the
> staff. This is not about the mission of the FSF. This is not
Sam Hartman dijo [Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 05:19:09PM -0400]:
> I suspect that the issues surrounding the open letter asking rms to step
> down and for the FSF board to resign are fairly well understood at this
> point.
> It's been an ongoing issue.
>
> I don't think we're going to get much benefit ou
Quoting M dB (2021-03-24 23:55:23)
> A few thoughts:
>
> - I don't like the term "cancel" because I think it doesn't mean much
> anymore and is too loaded.
Means too little and too much at the same time?!?
https://www.dictionary.com/e/pop-culture/cancel-culture/ describes it as
a form of boyco
A few thoughts:
- I don't like the term "cancel" because I think it doesn't mean much
anymore and is too loaded. Are we discussing a handful of people leaving
volunteer positions? Yes. Are we discussing ruining their lives? No.
- I think some of us have been very close to the FSF and issues withi
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:13:19AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On 2021/03/24 23:19, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > I suspect that the issues surrounding the open letter asking rms to step
> > down and for the FSF board to resign are fairly well understood at this
> > point.
> > It's been an ongoing iss
On 3/24/21 10:20 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I don't think we're going to get much benefit out of a prolonged
> discussion, and I think that there is significant benefit in acting
> quickly in this instance.
By writing you wish Debian was "acting quickly", you're expressing your
opinion about the iss
On 2021/03/24 23:19, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I suspect that the issues surrounding the open letter asking rms to step
> down and for the FSF board to resign are fairly well understood at this
> point.
> It's been an ongoing issue.
>
> I don't think we're going to get much benefit out of a prolonged
>
Sam Hartman, 2021-03-24 17:19 -0400:
> I suspect that the issues surrounding the open letter asking rms to step
> down and for the FSF board to resign are fairly well understood at this
> point.
> It's been an ongoing issue.
>
> I don't think we're going to get much benefit out of a prolonged
> di
On 16082 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote:
I don't think we're going to get much benefit out of a prolonged
discussion, and I think that there is significant benefit in acting
quickly in this instance.
So, I'd like to ask the DPL to consider shortening the discussion
period.
And for whatever it c
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