* Wouter Verhelst [Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:56:11 +0200]:
> during the discussion, Ross Burton suggested
Obvious typo: Russ Allbery?
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On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:31:33AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Given that this hasn't reached the required number of seconds for a
> discussion period to start, and it's been three weeks since the initial
> mail, are you happy for this to be dropped?
Yes. By now it's just plain too late; and giv
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:56:23AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:45:53AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL
> > PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundat
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As such, I'm proposing the following position statement as under section
> 4.1.5 of the constitution:
I am not sure if a constitution change is the right way to go. An official
statement and possibly a wall of shame are a
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Most individual members of the Debian project cannot join the FSF. The
> FSF offers a fundraising campaign called "associate membership" but that
> is not joining in anything similar to the debian project. (I think a
> few DDs are full members of FSF, but it's
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] I'm arguing that we should not take
> positions on general political matters around free software that don't
> affect us. [...]
The Mozilla Foundation and Corporation approaches to trademarks have
affected us repeatedly in the past. There are also
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 07:39:43PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > Debian's people (i.e. debian-legal and so, even equiped with all the
> > TINLA and IANAL disclaimers) are a well regarded and quite well
> > informed body in this regard.
>
> Well-regarded b
Hi,
On Tuesday 23 September 2008 02:15, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I strongly consider seconding Wouter's message, although I'd like to
> word it less Mozilla-specific (as it is not a punishment against
> Mozilla itself, and there are _many_ trademarked projects shipping in
> Debian). I'm waiting a bit
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 07:39:43PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:56:32PM -0700]:
> > That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that we should not take
> > positions on general political matters around free software that don't
> > affect us. This is for a va
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:56:32PM -0700]:
>> That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that we should not take
>> positions on general political matters around free software that don't
>> affect us. This is for a variety of reasons:
>> *
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> We, Debian, are often seen as among the groups that most takes care of
> the Free Software-definig freedoms. Many people will base their stand on
> a Free Software-ish project according to what we say. It is not the
> first time this happens. And it won't
Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:56:32PM -0700]:
> That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that we should not take
> positions on general political matters around free software that don't
> affect us. This is for a variety of reasons:
>
> * lack of competence (other organizations are
Russ Allbery dijo [Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:23:13AM -0700]:
> >> Personally, I'd rather that we not do this. There are other
> >> organizations that specialize in this (the FSF, for example), whereas
> >> Debian specializes in producing a distribution.
>
> > That is a head-in-sand attitude.
>
> W
Charles Plessy dijo [Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 06:50:00PM +0900]:
> Le Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> > For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
> > people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA
>
> Hi Wouter,
>
>
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Arguing that the debian project is necessarily only packaging and
> distributing software and mustn't ever do anything else seems rather
> narrow.
That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that we should not take
positions on general political matters around f
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > That is a head-in-sand attitude.
>
> Well, that's certainly blunt and honest, but it probably unfortunately
> makes it clear that there's no room for discussion if your first reaction
> is that negative. I do
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Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The Debian Project has been watching the case around the Mozilla
> Project's EULA requirement for people wishing to use their trademarks
> from a distance. This is an issue that
Le vendredi 19 septembre 2008 à 11:45 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> I'd hope the FSF actually specializes in writing software, rather than
> making statements. However, writing Free Software is not possible unless
> there is a healthy community around it; the FSF thus takes a leading
> role an
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:51:45PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> - I've always considered Debian to be a leading member of the Free
>>> Software community; as such, I feel it is our duty to tell others
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:56:23AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> ===Begin resolution text===
> The Debian Project has been watching the case around the Mozilla
> Project's EULA requirement for people wishing to use their trademarks
> from a distance. This is an issue that has been brewing for a f
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:45:53AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
> > people who want to use their firefox trademark to disp
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:51:45PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > - I've always considered Debian to be a leading member of the Free
> > Software community; as such, I feel it is our duty to tell others when
> > we think they are straying off the
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> - I've always considered Debian to be a leading member of the Free
> Software community; as such, I feel it is our duty to tell others when
> we think they are straying off the path of Free Software.
Personally, I'd rather that we not do this. Th
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:56:28PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> > For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
> > people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA to
> > their users on first run of the softwa
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:56:28PM +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I also note that FSF's page at http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/
> > says Mozilla's Firefox build includes non-free software.
>
> It's actually outdated. Mozilla's Firefox bu
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:56:28PM +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> > For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
> > people who want to use their firefox t
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Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
> people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA to
> their users on first run of the software. It does not c
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
> people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA to
> their users on first run of the software. It does not cu
Le Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
> people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA
Hi Wouter,
haven't we read on planet.debian.org that they changed their minds?
Have a
Hi,
For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA to
their users on first run of the software. It does not currently require
them to accept to it, so they can easily bypass the license by just
ignoring it.
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