Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 01:11:27PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. > It also fits the English-language meaning better. The reason they are called "amendments"

Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. It also fits the English-language meaning better. -- Nathanael Nerode US citizens: if you're considering voting for Bush, look at these first: http://www.misl

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 01:11:27PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode proposed we modify the debian constitution, replacing the word "amendment" with "alternative". > It also fits the English-language meaning better. Indeed? Then again, I don't see it listed in places such as http://www.senate.gov/pagel

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Chris Lawrence
Nathanael Nerode wrote: This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. It also fits the English-language meaning better. Sounds good to me. Care to do the sed job on the constitution and write up the prop

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-26 18:11:27 + Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It also fits the English-language meaning better. How? We can have amendments that don't delete the entire text of a proposal. However, if I read A.3 right, there does seem to be a limitation in the current vote system tha

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-26 19:22:41 + Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sounds good to me. Care to do the sed job on the constitution and write up the proposal for seconds? Please don't. Amendments need not delete the entire proposal text. It would make "small bugfix" amendments a lot longer.

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:11:27 -0500, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. > It also fits the English-language meaning better. What if the amen

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:16:39 +, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 2004-02-26 18:11:27 + Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> It also fits the English-language meaning better. > How? We can have amendments that don't delete the entire text of a > proposal. However, if I r

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-26 20:48:25 + Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] Is the HOWTO the Secretary's interpretation/decision? Unfortunately, no. The HOWTO has not been updated to keep up with the recent changes in the constitution. Which package gets bug reports about that? www.deb

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:54:53 +, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Anyway, will you tell us what your interpretation is, for the > abstract general case? Roughly what is the range of valid forms a > caller could use? Related issues should be on the same ballot, orthogonal issues sho

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 02:43:03PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:11:27 -0500, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. > >

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 01:11:27PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. > It also fits the English-language meaning better. The reason they are called "amendments"

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 02:43:03PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:11:27 -0500, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > > This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. >

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:54:53 +, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Anyway, will you tell us what your interpretation is, for the > abstract general case? Roughly what is the range of valid forms a > caller could use? Related issues should be on the same ballot, orthogonal issues sho

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-26 20:48:25 + Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] Is the HOWTO the Secretary's interpretation/decision? Unfortunately, no. The HOWTO has not been updated to keep up with the recent changes in the constitution. Which package gets bug reports about that? ww

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:16:39 +, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 2004-02-26 18:11:27 + Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> It also fits the English-language meaning better. > How? We can have amendments that don't delete the entire text of a > proposal. However, if I r

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:11:27 -0500, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. > It also fits the English-language meaning better. What if the amen

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-26 19:22:41 + Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sounds good to me. Care to do the sed job on the constitution and write up the proposal for seconds? Please don't. Amendments need not delete the entire proposal text. It would make "small bugfix" amendments a lot longe

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-26 18:11:27 + Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It also fits the English-language meaning better. How? We can have amendments that don't delete the entire text of a proposal. However, if I read A.3 right, there does seem to be a limitation in the current vote system

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Chris Lawrence
Nathanael Nerode wrote: This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. It also fits the English-language meaning better. Sounds good to me. Care to do the sed job on the constitution and write up the

Re: Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 01:11:27PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode proposed we modify the debian constitution, replacing the word "amendment" with "alternative". > It also fits the English-language meaning better. Indeed? Then again, I don't see it listed in places such as http://www.senate.gov/page

Proposal: Call 'amendments' 'alternatives'

2004-02-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
This would eliminate confusion such as that from Ted Ts'o in http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200402/msg00135.html. It also fits the English-language meaning better. -- Nathanael Nerode US citizens: if you're considering voting for Bush, look at these first: http://www.misl