On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 05:10:38PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:47:02AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> > Seconded.
>
> I propose a cooling off period for proposals on debian-vote.
> Submit your proposal, and it will be released one week later
> unless you have retracted it
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:47:02AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> Seconded.
I propose a cooling off period for proposals on debian-vote.
Submit your proposal, and it will be released one week later
unless you have retracted it. That should stop this nonsense.
Hamish
--
Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Glenn McGrath
>
> | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
> | bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
>
> Nope, because part of your duties as a maintainer is t
On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 05:10:38PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:47:02AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> > Seconded.
>
> I propose a cooling off period for proposals on debian-vote.
> Submit your proposal, and it will be released one week later
> unless you have retracted i
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:47:02AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> Seconded.
I propose a cooling off period for proposals on debian-vote.
Submit your proposal, and it will be released one week later
unless you have retracted it. That should stop this nonsense.
Hamish
--
Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Glenn McGrath
>
> | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
> | bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
>
> Nope, because part of your duties as a maintainer is
On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> His mistake was in assuming people would not mind. Now that it has been
> pointed out that people do he should change his plans. If he does not,
> then he would be engaging in deliberate net-abuse.
The thing is, this is the second time people have told
On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> His mistake was in assuming people would not mind. Now that it has been
> pointed out that people do he should change his plans. If he does not,
> then he would be engaging in deliberate net-abuse.
The thing is, this is the second time people have tol
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:44:23PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Sven wrote:
>
> > I received a german translation of on of my packages description, and after
> > having read it, i communicated with the translator and together we found a
> > better translation. Also i did chan
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:44:23PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Sven wrote:
>
> > I received a german translation of on of my packages description, and after
> > having read it, i communicated with the translator and together we found a
> > better translation. Also i did cha
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I'm not asking whether debian-admin thinks Michael should be punished,
> I'm asking debian-admin to rule on whether or not it views his recent
> activities as "bulk emailing".
(keep in mind this and the last message are not a formal statement from
de
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
>
> > I request a ruling from the Debian-Admin team on whether Michael
> > Bramer's actions constitute "bulk emailing".
>
> We don't generally do rulings.. But,
>
> I personally feel that Grisu's actions are
[Again, please followup to debian-vote.]
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 08:27:40PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
>
> > I request a ruling from the Debian-Admin team on whether Michael
> > Bramer's actions constitute "bulk emailing".
>
> We don't generally d
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I'm not asking whether debian-admin thinks Michael should be punished,
> I'm asking debian-admin to rule on whether or not it views his recent
> activities as "bulk emailing".
(keep in mind this and the last message are not a formal statement from
d
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I request a ruling from the Debian-Admin team on whether Michael
> Bramer's actions constitute "bulk emailing".
We don't generally do rulings.. But,
I personally feel that Grisu's actions aren't not extreme enough to
warrent a formal punishment. It
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:26:31 -0500
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You may not advertise your WWW pages, or cause another person to
> advertise it, by techniques that would be classified as abuse if they
> were carried out from a Debian Account. This includes, but is not
> lim
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
>
> > I request a ruling from the Debian-Admin team on whether Michael
> > Bramer's actions constitute "bulk emailing".
>
> We don't generally do rulings.. But,
>
> I personally feel that Grisu's actions ar
[Again, please followup to debian-vote.]
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 08:27:40PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
>
> > I request a ruling from the Debian-Admin team on whether Michael
> > Bramer's actions constitute "bulk emailing".
>
> We don't generally
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:32:23PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > He continues to assert on debian-devel that he should have the right to
> > send unsolicited, automatic mails with a default policy of having every
> > maintainer subscribed t
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> He continues to assert on debian-devel that he should have the right to
> send unsolicited, automatic mails with a default policy of having every
> maintainer subscribed to his list.
How about if instead of this, he sent automated entries to the BTS?
[Please reply to debian-vote]
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:03:20AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> So, if he is using Debian machines, it seems he may already be
> violating the Debian machine AUP. Certainly if I were doing something
> that sent automated mail to people that was not opt-in, I would fee
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 06:37:32PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote:
> I propose that Debian developers make reasonable efforts to resolve
> disputes off-list before proposing general resolutions of a personal
> nature.
Michael was asked many times, on and off-list, to stop sending
unsolicited emails.
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I request a ruling from the Debian-Admin team on whether Michael
> Bramer's actions constitute "bulk emailing".
We don't generally do rulings.. But,
I personally feel that Grisu's actions aren't not extreme enough to
warrent a formal punishment. It
On Oct 04, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending automated mails
> to other developers (regarding the DDTS or any other subject).
[snipped]
I offer the following in nature of a substitute:
I propose that Debian developers make reasonable efforts to res
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:26:31 -0500
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You may not advertise your WWW pages, or cause another person to
> advertise it, by techniques that would be classified as abuse if they
> were carried out from a Debian Account. This includes, but is not
> li
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:32:23PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > He continues to assert on debian-devel that he should have the right to
> > send unsolicited, automatic mails with a default policy of having every
> > maintainer subscribed
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> He continues to assert on debian-devel that he should have the right to
> send unsolicited, automatic mails with a default policy of having every
> maintainer subscribed to his list.
How about if instead of this, he sent automated entries to the BTS
[Please reply to debian-vote]
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:03:20AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> So, if he is using Debian machines, it seems he may already be
> violating the Debian machine AUP. Certainly if I were doing something
> that sent automated mail to people that was not opt-in, I would fe
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 06:37:32PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote:
> I propose that Debian developers make reasonable efforts to resolve
> disputes off-list before proposing general resolutions of a personal
> nature.
Michael was asked many times, on and off-list, to stop sending
unsolicited emails.
On Oct 04, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending automated mails
> to other developers (regarding the DDTS or any other subject).
[snipped]
I offer the following in nature of a substitute:
I propose that Debian developers make reasonable efforts to re
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Sven wrote:
>
> > I received a german translation of on of my packages description, and after
> > having read it, i communicated with the translator and together we found a
> > better translation. Also i did change the english descrip
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Sven wrote:
> I received a german translation of on of my packages description, and after
> having read it, i communicated with the translator and together we found a
> better translation. Also i did change the english description following to
> this discution, as i noticed som
On 04/10/01, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Branden> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending
> Branden> automated mails to other developers (regarding the DDTS
> Branden> or any other subject).
> Branden> I
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 11:12:38AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> > The mails are no more sent until a better subscription mechanism is
> > available. You could have read that several times elsewhere in this
> > thread.
>
> Perhaps you missed previous th
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> The mails are no more sent until a better subscription mechanism is
> available. You could have read that several times elsewhere in this
> thread.
Perhaps you missed previous threads. I suggest you go back and read up on
them.
We have said what we w
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Sven wrote:
>
> > I received a german translation of on of my packages description, and after
> > having read it, i communicated with the translator and together we found a
> > better translation. Also i did change the english descri
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 06:07:28PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> They can proofread the translations when they know the languages. They can
> refuse some translations (although the impact of this refusal is really
> limited since not many people use the actual mechanism).
Mmm, maybe each deve
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:53:01AM -0500, Adam Heath écrivait:
> I don't think anyone here is saying we shouldn't translate everything.
> However, what Michael has done is not official, and is a hack-end-run around
> the existing tools.
The fact that the current solution is not yet integrated chan
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Adam Heath wrote:
> > > That's EXACTLY why those mails have started to be sent !
> >
> > No, they are being sent because Michael wants to push his pet project onto
> > the
> > rest of the project.
>
> Err... no.. it's because people have requested it.
> You will find, as you gain more experience in the world, that being nice to
Thanks dad!
--
Scott Dier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.ringworld.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of
urgency, when constitutional rights
Adam Heath wrote:
> > That's EXACTLY why those mails have started to be sent !
>
> No, they are being sent because Michael wants to push his pet project onto the
> rest of the project.
Err... no.. it's because people have requested it. Unfortunately they
haven't thought about the consequences to
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen écrivait:
> > * Glenn McGrath
> >
> > | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from
> > the
> > | bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
On 4 Oct 2001, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Branden> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending
> Branden> automated mails to other developers (regarding the DDTS
> Branden> or any other subject).
>
> Brand
On 10/04/2001 10:30:37 AM Scott Dier wrote:
>> * Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 10:29]:
>> > That's simply because they first tried with the "not so nicely way".
When
>> > someone asks politely something, it gets done usually rapidly. When
>>
>> When someone uses project resources to
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 10:46]:
> > When someone uses project resources to abuse you first, you have to be
> > nice?
> Is trying to improve Debian by letting maintainers control the
> descriptions an abuse ?
Obviously the idea of opt-out vs opt-in for things like this escapes
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending automated mails
> to other developers (regarding the DDTS or any other subject).
>
> If he does not comply within 24 hours of ratification of this p
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:30:37AM -0500, Scott Dier écrivait:
> * Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 10:29]:
> > That's simply because they first tried with the "not so nicely way". When
> > someone asks politely something, it gets done usually rapidly. When
>
> When someone uses project
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:36:12PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen écrivait:
> > > * Glenn McGrath
> > >
> > > | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from
> > > the
> > > | bug track
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen écrivait:
> > * Glenn McGrath
> >
> > | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from
> > the
> > | bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
> >
> > Nope, bec
>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Branden> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending
Branden> automated mails to other developers (regarding the DDTS or
Branden> any other subject).
After a discussion on IRC, I am given to understand that the
a
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:21:13PM +0200, Martin Schulze écrivait:
> > People, take a rest, grow up etc. You know how Overfiend behaves, so
> > this is nothing which wasn't anticipated.
>
> We should write an "HOWTO react to Overfiend's mails" for the new
> developers joi
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 10:29]:
> That's simply because they first tried with the "not so nicely way". When
> someone asks politely something, it gets done usually rapidly. When
When someone uses project resources to abuse you first, you have to be
nice?
--
Scott Dier <[EMA
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:02:32AM -0500, Scott Dier écrivait:
> I'm not badly affected by this but some of the other developers with
> oggles of packages are, and they have been asking nicely and not so
> nicely and it hadn't stopped yet.
That's simply because they first tried with the "not so ni
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Sven wrote:
> I received a german translation of on of my packages description, and after
> having read it, i communicated with the translator and together we found a
> better translation. Also i did change the english description following to
> this discution, as i noticed so
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:59:37AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
> * Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 09:55]:
> > have acknowlegded them. The problem is gone, Michael is working on it,
>
> The problem isn't gone until someone has implemented it. Or is it
> turned off until implemented?
Yes
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 09:48]:
> We should write an "HOWTO react to Overfiend's mails" for the new
Actually, I'm with Sam on this one, Branden is taking the right path.
I'm not badly affected by this but some of the other developers with
oggles of packages are, and they hav
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 09:55]:
> have acknowlegded them. The problem is gone, Michael is working on it,
The problem isn't gone until someone has implemented it. Or is it
turned off until implemented?
--
Scott Dier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.ringwor
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:47:14AM -0400, Sam Hartman écrivait:
> Right. However people seem to have expressed the opinion that they
> want an opt-in system not an opt-out system. I think this is mostly
> because of the unsubscription system not working.
Do you happen to read the mails before re
> Nope, because part of your duties as a maintainer is to fix those
> bugs, and/or pass them upstream.
No part of that requires you to get mails from the BTS.
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:21:13PM +0200, Martin Schulze écrivait:
> People, take a rest, grow up etc. You know how Overfiend behaves, so
> this is nothing which wasn't anticipated.
We should write an "HOWTO react to Overfiend's mails" for the new
developers joining that have not yet faced him. W
> "Raphael" == Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raphael> Stop being stupid, our goal is to provide a good OS for
Raphael> all our users, this does include having *good* localized
Raphael> content whereever it's possible. For this the maintainer
Raphael> may want to
[Hopefully we can finish this discussion quickly or move to personal mail. The
issue at hand no longer matters.
]
> "Glenn" == Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Glenn> By the same argument i should be able to opt out of
Glenn> recieving mail from the bug tracking system about
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen écrivait:
> * Glenn McGrath
>
> | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
> | bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
>
> Nope, because part of your duties as a maintainer i
* Glenn McGrath
| By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
| bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
Nope, because part of your duties as a maintainer is to fix those
bugs, and/or pass them upstream.
| or opt out of receiving mail
FWIW: The problem is expired, and I'm sure the vote is as well.
People, take a rest, grow up etc. You know how Overfiend behaves, so
this is nothing which wasn't anticipated.
Regards,
Joey
--
Whenever you meet yourself you're in a time loop or in front of a mirror.
On 04 Oct 2001 09:03:20 -0400
Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Branden> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending
> Branden> automated mails to other developers (regarding the DDTS
> Branden>
On 04/10/01, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Branden> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending
> Branden> automated mails to other developers (regarding the DDTS
> Branden> or any other subject).
> Branden>
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 11:12:38AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> > The mails are no more sent until a better subscription mechanism is
> > available. You could have read that several times elsewhere in this
> > thread.
>
> Perhaps you missed previous t
On 04/10/01, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending automated mails
> to other developers (regarding the DDTS or any other subject).
>
> If he does not comply within 24 hours of ratification of this proposal,
> he will be expelled from the Debian Project
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> The mails are no more sent until a better subscription mechanism is
> available. You could have read that several times elsewhere in this
> thread.
Perhaps you missed previous threads. I suggest you go back and read up on
them.
We have said what we
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 06:07:28PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> They can proofread the translations when they know the languages. They can
> refuse some translations (although the impact of this refusal is really
> limited since not many people use the actual mechanism).
Mmm, maybe each dev
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:53:01AM -0500, Adam Heath écrivait:
> I don't think anyone here is saying we shouldn't translate everything.
> However, what Michael has done is not official, and is a hack-end-run around
> the existing tools.
The fact that the current solution is not yet integrated cha
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Adam Heath wrote:
> > > That's EXACTLY why those mails have started to be sent !
> >
> > No, they are being sent because Michael wants to push his pet project onto the
> > rest of the project.
>
> Err... no.. it's because people have requested it. Unfo
> You will find, as you gain more experience in the world, that being nice to
Thanks dad!
--
Scott Dier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.ringworld.org/ #[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of
urgency, when constitutional righ
Adam Heath wrote:
> > That's EXACTLY why those mails have started to be sent !
>
> No, they are being sent because Michael wants to push his pet project onto the
> rest of the project.
Err... no.. it's because people have requested it. Unfortunately they
haven't thought about the consequences t
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen écrivait:
> > * Glenn McGrath
> >
> > | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
> > | bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
> >
On 4 Oct 2001, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Branden> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending
> Branden> automated mails to other developers (regarding the DDTS
> Branden> or any other subject).
>
> Bran
On 10/04/2001 10:30:37 AM Scott Dier wrote:
>> * Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 10:29]:
>> > That's simply because they first tried with the "not so nicely way".
When
>> > someone asks politely something, it gets done usually rapidly. When
>>
>> When someone uses project resources t
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 10:46]:
> > When someone uses project resources to abuse you first, you have to be
> > nice?
> Is trying to improve Debian by letting maintainers control the
> descriptions an abuse ?
Obviously the idea of opt-out vs opt-in for things like this escape
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending automated mails
> to other developers (regarding the DDTS or any other subject).
>
> If he does not comply within 24 hours of ratification of this
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:30:37AM -0500, Scott Dier écrivait:
> * Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 10:29]:
> > That's simply because they first tried with the "not so nicely way". When
> > someone asks politely something, it gets done usually rapidly. When
>
> When someone uses projec
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 05:36:12PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen écrivait:
> > > * Glenn McGrath
> > >
> > > | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
> > > | bug tracking sy
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen écrivait:
> > * Glenn McGrath
> >
> > | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
> > | bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
> >
> > Nope, because
> "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Branden> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending
Branden> automated mails to other developers (regarding the DDTS
Branden> or any other subject).
Branden> If he does not comply within 24 hours of rat
>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Branden> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending
Branden> automated mails to other developers (regarding the DDTS or
Branden> any other subject).
After a discussion on IRC, I am given to understand that the
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:21:13PM +0200, Martin Schulze écrivait:
> > People, take a rest, grow up etc. You know how Overfiend behaves, so
> > this is nothing which wasn't anticipated.
>
> We should write an "HOWTO react to Overfiend's mails" for the new
> developers jo
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 10:29]:
> That's simply because they first tried with the "not so nicely way". When
> someone asks politely something, it gets done usually rapidly. When
When someone uses project resources to abuse you first, you have to be
nice?
--
Scott Dier <[EM
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:02:32AM -0500, Scott Dier écrivait:
> I'm not badly affected by this but some of the other developers with
> oggles of packages are, and they have been asking nicely and not so
> nicely and it hadn't stopped yet.
That's simply because they first tried with the "not so n
>> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I propose that Michael Bramer be ordered to stop sending automated mails
> to other developers (regarding the DDTS or any other subject).
>
> If he does not comply within 24 hours of ratification of this proposal,
> he will be expelled from t
On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:59:37AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
> * Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 09:55]:
> > have acknowlegded them. The problem is gone, Michael is working on it,
>
> The problem isn't gone until someone has implemented it. Or is it
> turned off until implemented?
Ye
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 09:48]:
> We should write an "HOWTO react to Overfiend's mails" for the new
Actually, I'm with Sam on this one, Branden is taking the right path.
I'm not badly affected by this but some of the other developers with
oggles of packages are, and they ha
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011004 09:55]:
> have acknowlegded them. The problem is gone, Michael is working on it,
The problem isn't gone until someone has implemented it. Or is it
turned off until implemented?
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Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:47:14AM -0400, Sam Hartman écrivait:
> Right. However people seem to have expressed the opinion that they
> want an opt-in system not an opt-out system. I think this is mostly
> because of the unsubscription system not working.
Do you happen to read the mails before r
> Nope, because part of your duties as a maintainer is to fix those
> bugs, and/or pass them upstream.
No part of that requires you to get mails from the BTS.
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Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:21:13PM +0200, Martin Schulze écrivait:
> People, take a rest, grow up etc. You know how Overfiend behaves, so
> this is nothing which wasn't anticipated.
We should write an "HOWTO react to Overfiend's mails" for the new
developers joining that have not yet faced him.
> "Raphael" == Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raphael> Stop being stupid, our goal is to provide a good OS for
Raphael> all our users, this does include having *good* localized
Raphael> content whereever it's possible. For this the maintainer
Raphael> may want to
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at hand no longer matters.
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> "Glenn" == Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Glenn> By the same argument i should be able to opt out of
Glenn> recieving mail from the bug tracking system abou
Le Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:26:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen écrivait:
> * Glenn McGrath
>
> | By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
> | bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
>
> Nope, because part of your duties as a maintainer
* Glenn McGrath
| By the same argument i should be able to opt out of recieving mail from the
| bug tracking system about any future bugs in the package i maintain,
Nope, because part of your duties as a maintainer is to fix those
bugs, and/or pass them upstream.
| or opt out of receiving mail
FWIW: The problem is expired, and I'm sure the vote is as well.
People, take a rest, grow up etc. You know how Overfiend behaves, so
this is nothing which wasn't anticipated.
Regards,
Joey
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