Re: [RFCv3] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-05-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Sun, 11 May 2025, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: >Just because *one* software process produces a loosely compression, >does not mean that ALL software processes are just lossy compression. Just because *one* doesn’t doesn’t mean none does either *sigh…* Please, just, go away. I don’t have the spoons

Re: [RFCv3] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-05-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Sun, 11 May 2025, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: >> If you JPEG-compress a photo of the original document then uncompress >> it, it *is*. > >Please, restore a document from the output of "wc". Or from the output Can you even read? EOT, //mirabilos -- 22:20⎜ The crazy that persists in his craziness b

Re: [RFCv3] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-05-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Sat, 10 May 2025, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: >An algorithm that only stores and produces an *average* value across a >wide set of inputs can not be any kind of compression. It’s not “just” an average: as has been shown, substantial amounts of substantially unmodified “training data” can be extract

[RFCv3] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-05-09 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 On Fri, 9 May 2025, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> So, with all the updates, maybe something like this? > >I read this now, and think it is an improvement so I'll second this >version too. OK, thanks. >I realized that I have one additional generic conc

[RFCv2] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-05-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 Hi Simon, >Okay, I see what you are trying to get at, but I'm not certain things >can be separated that easily. hm, true. We probably can also not know whether firmware blobs have this inside or not. Perhaps it’s best to just leave non-free-firmwar

Re: [RFC] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 8 May 2025, Simon Josefsson wrote: >I don't think it is possible to separate firmware into things that are >just for enabling of hardware compared to what is running on the main >CPU. Consider a non-free firmware blob for a future SoC CPU that >includes camera functionality, it seems poss

Re: [RFC] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 On Wed, 7 May 2025, Simon Josefsson wrote: >I'll second this option. I think it describes an internally consistent >policy and give clear practical recommendations. Thank you. I’ve been made aware-ish of a few questions regarding this via LWN. T

Re: [RFC] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-04-23 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 24 Apr 2025, Carsten Leonhardt wrote: >Thorsten Glaser writes: > >> Hi! I had not realised it’s going to GR with this, so I’ve drafted >> a counter proposal [...] > >Could you give a brief summary of the main differences you see between >your and Mo'

[RFC] Counter-Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-04-23 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 Cover letter (Please do keep me in Cc, I’m not subscribed to the list.) Hi! I had not realised it’s going to GR with this, so I’ve drafted a counter proposal, based on the thread on debian-private around <93d202fce48ab4b4609d59f7a7

Re: General resolution: non-free firmware

2022-08-30 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Steve McIntyre dixit: >Please go and *read* and *respond* in debian-vote. The discussion is >there, not here. I wrote where the Reply-To pointed to. Perhaps if that had been correct… >You've utterly missed Phil's point about people not seeing or hearing >boot options. I didn’t. I pointed out th

Re: Lynx is a form of accessibility (was Re: Lynx is not Accessibility)

2022-03-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Devin Prater dixit: >I use many different operating systems, as a person who is blind. I don't […] >While text *is* usually accessible, it's not always the easiest to use. My point here was that there are *other* cases where lack of lynx support means lack of accessibility, even if this seems to

Re: Lynx is a form of accessibility (was Re: Lynx is not Accessibility)

2022-03-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Luke Faraone dixit: >Please, a Debian developer who uses a screen reader is saying that >"works with lynx is not required to be accessible to people with >disabilities". Saying you're talking about accessibility, but then There’s multiple kinds of accessibility. It’s sometimes not obvious. I do

Lynx is a form of accessibility (was Re: Lynx is not Accessibility)

2022-03-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Sam Hartman dixit: >Thorsten> Alternative solutions may • have accessibility problems >Thorsten> (not work with lynx, for example > >Working with Lynx is not a requirement for accessibility. No, but not working with lynx is an accessibility problem. >Obviously accessibility depends on wh

eMail voting (was GR: Hide Identities of Developers Casting a Particular Vote)

2022-03-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
>At the same time it relaxes the requirement that the secretary must >conduct a vote via email. There are no current plans to move away from This is a very bad idea. Alternative solutions may • have accessibility problems (not work with lynx, for example) • require different transport (eMail can

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Luca Falavigna debian.org> writes: > 2. Freedom of upstream discrection > > Upstream Developers considering a specific Free Software (including, > but not limited to, a particular init system executed as PID 1) > fundamental to deliver the best Software releases, are fully entitled > to

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 Ian Jackson dixit: >I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call (d-d-a would have been nice, but this time I found it in time.) >** Begin Proposal ** > >0. Rationale > > Debian has decided (via the technical committee) to

Re: TC process GRs

2014-06-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Ian Jackson wrote: >It would probably be best to lump the uncontroversial ones together >into one GR proposal. The others should be separate, unless any of Uh. This will lead to bikeshedding about which ones are controversal. I would prefer them to be separate votes (I know I'd vote for some and

The "other" diversity statement

2012-11-25 Thread Thorsten Glaser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA384 I really should not be writing this. I should be sleeping. I have to get up for work in less than six hours. But I *really* would love to know a DD vote outcome on something like the below text, though written with less sarcasm, I guess. (If this vot