Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-10 Thread Simon Law
Seconded, with s!judgemen.!judgement.! Simon On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-10 Thread Simon Law
Seconded, with s!judgemen.!judgement.! Simon On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Simon Law
I second the following amendment. Simon On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes hav

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Simon Law
I second the following amendment. Simon On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes hav

Re: Re: General Resolution: Handling of the non-free section: proposedBallot

2004-03-04 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:22:00AM +0100, Massimo Coletti wrote: > Removing the non-free section will narrow the perspective of the Linux > world offered by Debian, and somehow limit a degree of freedom currently > available for Debian users. > > Cutting away non-free software may apper as a revam

Re: Re: General Resolution: Handling of the non-free section: proposedBallot

2004-03-04 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:22:00AM +0100, Massimo Coletti wrote: > Removing the non-free section will narrow the perspective of the Linux > world offered by Debian, and somehow limit a degree of freedom currently > available for Debian users. > > Cutting away non-free software may apper as a revam

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 06:09:56PM -0500, Bob Hilliard wrote: > Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Partly it's knowing that I'm going to be dealing > > with a man (almost certainly), and he may assume I don't know what I'm > > doing, and he may put me down or be con

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 06:09:56PM -0500, Bob Hilliard wrote: > Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Partly it's knowing that I'm going to be dealing > > with a man (almost certainly), and he may assume I don't know what I'm > > doing, and he may put me down or be con

Re: Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:11:46PM +, Helen Faulkner wrote: > This is my opinion, anyway :) I'm glad you expressed your opinion. I was going to posit it myself, based on conversations with my girlfriend, but hearing it from a woman is much better. There's no rational reason w

Re: Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Simon Law
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:11:46PM +, Helen Faulkner wrote: > This is my opinion, anyway :) I'm glad you expressed your opinion. I was going to posit it myself, based on conversations with my girlfriend, but hearing it from a woman is much better. There's no rational reason w

Re: "Debian" in the social contract

2004-01-31 Thread Simon Law
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 02:00:19AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > Actually, if the phrase were that ambiguous, your statement about what > it means would be consistent with the social contract, but the social > contract still would have other conflicting meanings. > > That your interpetation conflict

Re: "Debian" in the social contract

2004-01-31 Thread Simon Law
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 02:00:19AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > Actually, if the phrase were that ambiguous, your statement about what > it means would be consistent with the social contract, but the social > contract still would have other conflicting meanings. > > That your interpetation conflict

Re: "Debian" in the social contract

2004-01-30 Thread Simon Law
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 05:23:26PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:42:57PM -0500, Simon Law wrote: > > The Debian system could be our distribution network, or the > > process by which we assemble the Debian distribution. Whereas the > > D

Re: "Debian" in the social contract

2004-01-30 Thread Simon Law
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 05:23:26PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:42:57PM -0500, Simon Law wrote: > > The Debian system could be our distribution network, or the > > process by which we assemble the Debian distribution. Whereas the > > D

Re: "Debian" in the social contract

2004-01-30 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:21:40PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > Anyways -- could you elaborate a it on the reasons you thinke "the Debian > distribution" is better than "the Debian system"? The Debian system could be our distribution network, or the process by which we assemble the Debian d

Re: "Debian" in the social contract

2004-01-30 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:21:40PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > Anyways -- could you elaborate a it on the reasons you thinke "the Debian > distribution" is better than "the Debian system"? The Debian system could be our distribution network, or the process by which we assemble the Debian d

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-29 Thread Simon Law
I second the proposal quoted below, as well as future editorial changes. Simon On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:25:28PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > [Please direct followups to debian-vote.] > > Now that the vote over the meaning of clause 4.1.5 of the Debian > Constitution is drawing to a close,

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-29 Thread Simon Law
I second the proposal quoted below, as well as future editorial changes. Simon On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:25:28PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > [Please direct followups to debian-vote.] > > Now that the vote over the meaning of clause 4.1.5 of the Debian > Constitution is drawing to a close,

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > == > > > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > > > >4.1. Powe

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Law
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > == > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Proj

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > == > > > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > > > >4.1. Powe

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Law
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > == > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Proj

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Simon Law
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:04:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Do people think that we should only supercede foundation > documents, and never modify them? I would not be averse to preserving > a historical record. I think we should never modify them. It should be possible

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Simon Law
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:04:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Do people think that we should only supercede foundation > documents, and never modify them? I would not be averse to preserving > a historical record. I think we should never modify them. It should be possible

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Simon Law
Manoj, I would like to add my approval to these editorial comments. The idea of superseding previous documents sits far better with me than the idea of modification. The preservation of a historical record of our decisions is one of the ways we make our intentions clear to the world. Pl

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Simon Law
Manoj, I would like to add my approval to these editorial comments. The idea of superseding previous documents sits far better with me than the idea of modification. The preservation of a historical record of our decisions is one of the ways we make our intentions clear to the world. Pl

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-18 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:33:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >We seem to have stalled on this proposal. There have been, if I > recall correctly, three seconds to my proposal, and one request for a > change, namely to explicitly list the foundation documents in the > constitution, whi

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-18 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:33:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >We seem to have stalled on this proposal. There have been, if I > recall correctly, three seconds to my proposal, and one request for a > change, namely to explicitly list the foundation documents in the > constitution, whi

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-08-29 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:24:11PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [snip] > == > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-08-29 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:24:11PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [snip] > == > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-08-22 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:27:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:04:00 -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > Now that our Constitution has been amended, I hope the original > > version will be archived in an easily accessible place; we should do > > the

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-08-21 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:27:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:04:00 -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Now that our Constitution has been amended, I hope the original > > version will be archived in an easily accessible place; we should do > > the sa

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-16 Thread Simon Law
I second this resolution, and am attaching the full text below. Simon On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:42:59PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi folks, > > This GR was first broached on December 14th, 18th and 19th, > 2000, by Raul Miller.