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Hi,
Ian Jackson writes:
> tl;dr:
>
> Dear Andreas:
>
> Would you please make a temporary delegation, to enable tag2upload ?
> We think this consists mostly of deploying a 3-line patch to dak.
FWIW, I think this is a reasonable request, and it
Hi,
On 05/12/2019 15:21, Sam Hartman wrote:
"Matthew" == Matthew Vernon writes:
Matthew> Sam Hartman writes:
>> I read [1], Guillem's message talking about how he believes the
>> G+D proposal weakens option G alone.
>>
>> [1
Sam Hartman writes:
> I read [1], Guillem's message talking about how he believes the G+D
> proposal weakens option G alone.
>
> [1]:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20191205001617.ga11...@gaara.hadrons.org
Later in that thread (
Message-ID: <20191205121800.ga75...@thunder.hadron
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Ian Jackson writes:
> -8<-
>
> Title: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
>
> PRINCIPLES
>
> 1. The Debian project reaffirms its commitment to be the glue that binds
>and integrates different software that provides similar or
Gerardo Ballabio writes:
> Yes, that's right -- but I guess that if a sensible change is proposed
> before the actual ballot is sent out, Sam and Kurt will not obstruct
> and will agree to whatever formal step is required to get it in.
It would be helpful if Sam and/or Kurt would confirm or deny
Russ Allbery writes:
> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
>> Quoting Russ Allbery (2019-12-03 19:19:50)
I took Russ' advice and slept on this; I had rather expected a response
from Sam by now.
>>> Does anyone truly believe that another round of wordsmithing or changes
>>> to statements of principles wil
Gerardo Ballabio writes:
> Ian Jackson wrote:
>> 1. We exercise the DPL's power to set the minimum discussion
>>period for the init systems GR to end at 23:59 UTC on
>>Friday the 6th of December. (Constitution 4.1(3).)
>
> Does that even make sense, since the Secretary has stated that he
Sam Hartman writes:
> I note that our voting system does have recourse for people who believe
> that the vote is called to early.
>
> They can vote FD above other options.
> And in this specific case, voting G>FD> other options
> would send a clear message that we should develop options based on
Sam Hartman writes:
> The minimum discussion period lapsed sometime Saturday.
> So, as one of the authors of a proposal, I ask the secretary to please
> prepare a ballot and start the vote.
I think this is an error, and urge you to reconsider; there is clearly
an active process to try and refine
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Dmitry Bogatov writes:
> Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all
> previous versions of it.
>
> Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
> systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST wo
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Ian Jackson writes:
> I hereby formally propose the following amendent (for my reference,
> 42471fd). Replace the entire text, with the text below.
>
> -8<-
>
> Title: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
>
> PRINCIPLES
>
> 1. We
Daniel Kahn Gillmor writes:
> Not to pile on, but i wonder whether Lamby's diligence, and his clear
> documentation of the workload (via Bits from the DPL at least) hasn't
> scared off some prospective candidates, who might now be realizing that
> they don't have the bandwidth to handle all of th
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Lucas Nussbaum writes:
> ===
> The Constitution is amended as follows:
>
> ---
> --- constitutio
Josh Triplett writes:
> On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:22:07PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > What's the procedure for removing someone from the technical committee?
>
> Someone pointed out to me privately that there's a much easier way of
> handling this. See the "Maximum term for tech ctte membe
Brian Gupta writes:
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >> "Don" == Don Armstrong writes:
> >
> > I'd find arguments of the form "I personally would find it confusing/bad
> > to have both going on because ..." more compelling than arguments of
> > the form "it would gene
Jonathan Dowland writes:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 08:38:25AM +0100, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> > I wonder if, in the circumstances, the DPL should use their power
> > under 4.2.4 to reduce the discussion period to 1 week.
>
> I think this is a terrible idea. I agree that
"Adam D. Barratt" writes:
> Speaking for no-one other than myself, I _am_ very unhappy that given
> how long the discussion has been rumbling on for, and how much
> opportunity there has been, that anyone thought that two weeks before
> the freeze (which has had a fixed date for nearly a year now
Ian Jackson writes:
> Russ Allbery writes ("Bug#636783: supermajority bug"):
> > Ian Jackson writes:
> > > The fix to the constitutional supermajority bug has been delayed
> > > rather. Sorry about that. I have drafted what I think is an
> > > implementation of our conclusions here and in the
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Matthew Vernon writes:
> I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
> for seconds. I don't think further lengthy discussion of the issues is
I said that if I'd not received enough seconds by to
Hi,
On 10/03/14 08:58, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
> I second the general resolution proposal below:
Thanks; with you and Iustin, I have 3 seconds now; 5 are needed for the
GR to go to a vote.
Regards,
Matthew
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Hi,
Thibaut Paumard writes:
> I am still waiting for your answer to my concerns before I make my mind
> on seconding this GR:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/03/msg00024.html
>
> The problem, I think, is that the discussion was drawn onto procedural
> technicalities rather than d
Hi,
Matthew Vernon writes:
> I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
> for seconds. I don't think further lengthy discussion of the issues is
This has only had one second. In order to not prolong things
indefinitely, I'll withdraw this GR
Charles Plessy writes:
> since it does not seem like we are going to vote, could you find
> another place for that discussion ?
I think debian-vote is the correct venue of discussing my proposal
until either it gets voted on, or I withdraw it.
Regards,
Matthew
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Hi,
Steve Langasek writes:
> Given the ambiguity about whether this GR vacates the earlier TC decision, I
> think it would be best to simply include in your GR text a statement that
>
> The Debian project reaffirms the decision of the TC to make systemd the
> default init system for jessie.
Tollef Fog Heen writes:
> ]] Russ Allbery
>
> > Second, Matthew's proposal explicitly doesn't change the TC decision, so
> > I'm not even sure what you think would be aborted here. It wouldn't have
> > any effect on the choice of default. It dictates in a top-down manner to
> > individual deve
Hi,
Kurt Roeckx writes:
> This might have as affect that the ctte's decision about the
> default is replaced by the result of the GR, and since this GR
> doesn't want to set the default currently it might result in not
> having a decision about the default.
I think given my current text says "T
Hi,
Stuart Prescott writes:
> Your rationale does not explain how the normal policy process has failed to
> deliver the outcomes required by the project. I think the project should
Sorry about that; I rather thought that the TC failing to rule on the
issue was failing to provide clarity on th
Andreas Barth writes:
> Thanks for the reference to the auto-nuke clause in the TC decision.
> How about adding something along the lines "To avoid any doubt, this
> decision does not replace the TC resolution" to avoid invoking that
> clause and keep the current decision (because that is also wh
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Hi,
I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call
for seconds. I don't think further lengthy discussion of the issues is
likely to be productive, and therefore hope we can bring this swiftly
to a vote so that the project can st
Guillem Jover writes:
> I think that forcing a decision through the TC at this time was very
> premature and inappropriate, because I don't think enough effort had
[...]
My feeling at this stage is that the TC are best placed to make a
decision on the technical merits of the various possible in
Peter Samuelson writes:
> [Matthew Vernon]
> > I would like to propose, therefore, the requirement that anyone
> > proposing a GR be required to provide a short (no more than, say, 500
> > words) summary of why they believe the GR to be necessary. A similar
> > requi
Martin Meredith writes:
> On 11/03/11 12:41, Matthew Vernon wrote:
[snip my proposal]
> Won't this require a GR to put it into force?
I think so, yes. But I thought I'd gather opinions and refine it a bit
first.
Regards,
Matthew
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Hi,
I've been thinking for a while now that it would be good if general
resolutions had a Rationale with them. At the moment, it can be
difficult to establish the key arguments for and against a particular
proposal, unless you have the time to wade through an often-lengthy
thread on debian-vo
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Lucas Nussbaum writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution
> entitled "Enhance requirements for General resolutions".
>
> PROPOSAL START
> ===
Lucas Nussbaum writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution
> entitled "Enhance requirements for General resolutions".
>
> PROPOSAL START
> =
> General Resolutions are an important frame
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Robert Millan writes:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 02:13:59PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> > Robert Millan writes:
> >
> > > I think you mean both option 3 and 4 ranked above FD. I read that as
> > > "I
Robert Millan writes:
> I think you mean both option 3 and 4 ranked above FD. I read that as
> "I don't like these options, but if there's no choice, I prefer them over
> the ambiguity of not making any explicit decision".
If one doesn't like an option, one ranks FD above it.
Matthew
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Raphael Hertzog writes:
> The GR ballot should only give the URL on vote.debian.org where you would
> find links behind each proposer/seconder. Ideally those links point
> directly to the debian-vote archive so that it lets people jump into
> discussions directly and form their own opinion.
I th
Hi,
> - To help voters choose, the following people should be able to
>require the Secretary to quote on each GR ballot form a URL
>of their choice, to be used by them for disseminating their vews on
>the vote:
>The Proposer of each resolution or amendment
>The Project
Hi,
"Strongly recommends that all non-programmatic works distribute the
form that the copyright holder or upstream developer would actually
use for modification. Such forms need not be distributed in the
orig.tar.gz (unless required by license) but should be made available
on upstream websites and
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:03:41 -0600
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >My original point was that people who do not actually
> > exercise their franchise are unlikely to be one of the active set --
> > and need to be looked at to see if they are indeed inactive. Having
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:03:41 -0600
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >My original point was that people who do not actually
> > exercise their franchise are unlikely to be one of the active set --
> > and need to be looked at to see if they are indeed inactive. Having
Thomas Bushnell, BSG writes:
> Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 05:33:50PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> > > > Depends on what you think Debian disks are :)
> > >
> > > I would count the Official Debian disks.
> >
> > Official Debian hard drive
Thomas Bushnell, BSG writes:
> Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 05:33:50PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> > > > Depends on what you think Debian disks are :)
> > >
> > > I would count the Official Debian disks.
> >
> > Official Debian hard driv
Branden Robinson writes:
> His remains a strict superset of mine. If you feel I am being dishonest, I
> suggest you perform a diff of the actual texts of the proposed changes,
> excluding front matter in the mail messages, and the rationales.
I think dishonesty isn't the issue here. It seem
John Goerzen writes:
> 4. During the Secretary's absence, the Constitution specifies that the
> chairman of the Technical Committee should step up in his place.
> However, that person is Ian Jackson and he failed with this duty. The
> Technical Committee have failed to replace him with someon
Branden Robinson writes:
> His remains a strict superset of mine. If you feel I am being dishonest, I
> suggest you perform a diff of the actual texts of the proposed changes,
> excluding front matter in the mail messages, and the rationales.
I think dishonesty isn't the issue here. It see
John Goerzen writes:
> 4. During the Secretary's absence, the Constitution specifies that the
> chairman of the Technical Committee should step up in his place.
> However, that person is Ian Jackson and he failed with this duty. The
> Technical Committee have failed to replace him with someo
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Hi,
I'm not clear on how much of Manoj's proposal I have to include in my
message seconding it, so I've included almost the entire post.
Anyway, I second this proposal.
Matthew Vernon
Manoj wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Indeed, I had prop
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Hi,
I'm not clear on how much of Manoj's proposal I have to include in my
message seconding it, so I've included almost the entire post.
Anyway, I second this proposal.
Matthew Vernon
Manoj wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Indeed, I had p
Jordi Mallach writes:
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 07:57:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Joseph> I think I would be disappointed if the vote was
> > Joseph> overwhelmingly against as the (seemingly largely uninformed)
> >Ah yes, the public disagrees with me, so it must be the
> > u
Jordi Mallach writes:
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 07:57:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Joseph> I think I would be disappointed if the vote was
> > Joseph> overwhelmingly against as the (seemingly largely uninformed)
> >Ah yes, the public disagrees with me, so it must be the
> >
John Goerzen writes:
> Matthew Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore
> > > formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I
> > > originally posted on June 7,
John Goerzen writes:
> Matthew Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore
> > > formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I
> > > originally posted on Ju
John Goerzen writes:
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> The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore
> formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I
> originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below.
Shouldn
John Goerzen writes:
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> The requisite discussion period having been entertained, I therefore
> formally call for a vote on this topic, on the Resolution which I
> originally posted on June 7, 2000, a copy of which is included below.
Should
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Good evening,
>
> This is a formal call for sponsers for the below proposed Debian
> General Resolution in accordance with section 4.2 of the Debian
> Constitution.
I object formally to this resolution. (for reasons outlined elsewhere
in this thread)
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Hi,
(PGP signed - I have no GPG key in the ring)
I still intend to stand, but thought this time I'd tell you a little
about myself.
I'm 21 years old, male, and a student at Cambridge University
(UK). I'm a veterinary student, and likely to continue in
Hi,
Just a brief note informing you of my intention to stand for
election as Debian Project Leader. A full platform will be forthcoming
shortly.
Regards,
Matthew Vernon
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