Am 01.08.25 um 15:28 schrieb Salvo Tomaselli:
Hello,
In the absence of age verification - laws already force us and we have
to deal with that. I agree that we do not need a Content CoC. Actually,
keeping stuff appropriate for children covers everything I can imagine a
CoC would require.
Are w
Am 01.08.25 um 11:23 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> Parental controls don't need a separate section. They need you to not
> give root access to the child.
Certainly, but legislators don't care about technicalities. If they say
gras needs to be red they expect you to make it so. (Best example: legal
Am 24.07.25 um 15:28 schrieb Bdale Garbee:
Ilu writes:
I'm not sure whether developing a Code of Acceptable Content policy at
this point in time is a good idea though.
I'll go much further than that, and say that I believe it's an
exceptionally bad idea.
As Debian Developer
Am 24.07.25 um 15:57 schrieb Salvo Tomaselli:
Hello,
That very much depends on "which quotes?". I've seen mentions of quotes
inciting hatred against certain groups and quotes from a certain
historical period that you are not allowed to repeat in Germany without
extensive discussion of historica
Am 24.07.25 um 13:50 schrieb Hanno 'Rince' Wagner:
at is offensive
the package we were discussing is not illegal, like being a package
about gambling, pornography or something similar. it is a
fortunes-package where quotations are in.
That very much depends on "which quotes?". I've seen mention
Am 24.07.25 um 13:31 schrieb Hanno 'Rince' Wagner:
Hi Ilu,
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025, Ilu wrote:
I see absolutely no reason for an uproar about a minor package that the
release team (I fully trust their evaluation) considered to be not adequate
for being legally distributed by Debi
Am 24.07.25 um 12:27 schrieb Ilu:
Shipping gambling software is already forbidden in some jurisdictions
since Debian does not do age verification. At least if the gambling
involves money in some way. Needs further investigation, does Debian
have such a package?
Shipping youtube downloaders
Am 23.07.25 um 21:55 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
On Wednesday, July 23, 2025 12:21:38 PM Mountain Standard Time Russ Allbery
wrote:
tho...@goirand.fr writes:
There may be some edge cases. What if a country decided to forbid
shipping youtube downloaders ? Or gambling software ?
Or cryptographic al
Am 23.07.25 um 20:59 schrieb tho...@goirand.fr:
There may be some edge cases. What if a country decided to forbid shipping
youtube downloaders ? Or gambling software ?
Thomas Goirand (zigo)
Shipping gambling software is already forbidden in some jurisdictions
since Debian does not do age
More importantly than morality issues Debian needs to consider legal
issues. I have no idea whether a CoC or GR is needed but if such an GR
is put to the vote legal constraints cannot be ignored.
Am 21.07.25 um 20:05 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum:
On 21/07/25 at 19:22 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
I
e heard that from several other people active
in machine learning. OSI says the same.
Mo Zhu says training data is. I haven't heard that from anybody else.
I'm not an AI expert so I don't know. I would like to see this discussed
for a change.
Ilu
Am 11.05.25 um 00:51 schrieb Thorsten Glaser:
The copyright exception for text and data mining is only valid for
uses that extract trends and things like that, not for generative
use
Article 53 (1c) EU Artificial Intelligence Act and the Landgericht
Hamburg do not agree with this statement. Th
Am 09.12.23 um 04:07 schrieb Paul Wise:
>
> Does anyone have any more info about the changes?
>
Yes, I've seen the leaked document. I (and not only I) think NL-labs
outlook is too optimistic. It's also necessary to understand that these
kind of statements (the "update, december 2023") are also par
Am 08.12.23 um 21:13 schrieb Russ Allbery:
Ilu writes:
CRA + PLD proposals include regulations, that will be detrimental
to FOSS
How about:
CRA and PLD proposals include regulations detrimental to FOSS
This would be real-english-english? ;-) If it has the same meaning, fine
by me
Am 08.12.23 um 20:55 schrieb Judit Foglszinger:
The CRA and PLD proposals include regulations, that will be detrimental
to free and open source software
We've never had such a long option, and I'm worried this will break for
some people trying to vote when it gets wrapped to the next line. But
The CRA and PLD proposals include regulations, that will be detrimental
to free and open source software
Am 08.12.23 um 20:40 schrieb Kurt Roeckx:
The CRA and PLD will be detrimental to open source software
Since this error comes up again and again on this list:
The CRA is a "Regulation" (look at the long title: "REGULATION OF THE
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL on horizontal cybersecurity
requirements for products with digital elements and amending Regulation
(EU) 2019/1020"), in effect a la
and you all probably figured this out
... anyway, sorry about that.
Am 12.11.23 um 16:10 schrieb Santiago Ruano Rincón:
Dear Debian Fellows,
Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
<4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
discussed duri
tement does not have to be perfect. It can very well be
more radical or even too radical. That does not hurt, ramping up your
demands and then offering a compromise is the way politics work.
Ilu
Am 13.11.23 um 17:57 schrieb Aigars Mahinovs:
Thanks for the detailed explanation! It had quite a
ged in a substantial
way. Law enforcement is pressuring for it. All the more reason to voice
dissent.
Ilu
Am 13.11.23 um 14:46 schrieb Aigars Mahinovs:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 12:31, Luca Boccassi wrote:
I am *not* objecting to Debian taking such a vote and expressing the
stance intended. Ho
by CRA,
that's NIS2. If you are familiar with European legislation you will know
that.
Ilu
Am 12.11.23 um 18:35 schrieb Ilulu:
Am 12.11.23 um 18:09 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
> We do know whether something is commercial or not though ...
I sincerely doubt that. Just to illustrate this I
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