nded process of
persuading others.
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on of being able to ask the Project Leader for
their connections, experience or plain-old sanity checking before
doing something especially if that action might affect the reputation
or image of the Project.
So, reading this back I am not entirely sure what I'm asking here but
I would be interes
electing to run for a third consecutive term; most
of what I have read so far has been inaccurate at best and much of it
deeply problematic. Thank you in advance.
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y way, referring to an additional tendency for folks to push back
on things they might otherwise have agreed upon but do not want to (or
do not want to be seen to!) be going along with a "boss", however informal
that structure is :)
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start posting to the mailing lists
under a pseudonym…!)
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Dear Bdale,
> I've been startled sometimes at how other read what I wrote instead of
> what I meant, and how often a very small tweak in wording was all it
> took to clear up the distinction...
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> pushback
Of course, but not if one would agree with that pushback. :)
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> pushback
Of course, but not if one would agree with that pushback. :)
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e; I think I already implied that a DPL passive-
aggressively threatening the FTP team with a General Resolution
masquerading as a schedule would not lead to the situation improving
any quicker. :)
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lready hear the (perhaps justified…) pushback and thus decided not to
get closer involved.
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firmed by bystanders or even (ironically enough,
by private mail) by the people directly involved.
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from such a community.
If you will permit me to exaggerate for a moment, if anybody is leaving
the Project it is due to sustained exposure to such low-level
toxicity. :(
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g it more transparent
and descriptive in places would — even without changing any underlying
process at all, which I do note is also being discussed — would vastly
improve the sentiment about that.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton's_fence
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ussion and to avoid patronising you. Naturally, if you have
other questions or would like clarification, please follow-up.)
[0] https://www.debian.org/vote/2018/platforms/lamby
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> [..]
I hereby nominate myself for the 2018 Debian Project Leader
election.
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xperience, insisting that experiments or demos be
"production-ready" from their initial release dampens enthusiasm far
more than intended...
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; maybe #-devel-changes (or whatever is called).
It would seem to me that there are many other ways of being appraised of
the current status of these services that do not require the channels to
be publically logged.
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ind when you addressed
your question? Perhaps ensuring those become transparent in another way
would assuage your concerns.
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story. :)
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s of the release itself, I would naturally check in with
the release team and pass on whatever details they wished to publicise.
And of course, the usual exhortations to "please test…" :)
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appended
to accomodate non-drinkers.
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(breathalysers?!) and would quickly start to look like the act of a
killjoy. Besides, being a nuisance to others is not and should not be
tolerated anyway, regardless of blood alcohol content - we need no special
rules in this area AFAICT.
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quiring special attention or "fuss"
when one declines) would seem to to make a big difference.
What do you think? Are there specific things you would be looking for?
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f hardware signoff or hardware
compatibility reporting.
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not, providing support also has a reputation for not being very
rewarding, so incentivising developers to spend will regrettably remain an
uphill battle.
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conflicts
that have inflamed or, say, when a developer is behaving poorly in a team
in general and certainly not when there is a direct victim-oppressor
situation. Apologies this wasn't clearer in my previous mail; I was trying
to keep the two cases distinct.
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nities — show that toxic behaviour can be managed to
some degree.
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and b) the amounts are sensible.
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nce or opinion.
(Indeed, I would worry that expressing my "personal" opinion on this
particular issue in the context of -vote would be misleading at best
and possibly even counterproductive. I hope this doesn't come across
as evasive.)
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arties in the same room specifically to solve a social problem.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
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r free software culture to evolve.
Perhaps it will take longer in Debian given our relative vintage but it,
doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
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be able to work with you further
on this.
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difficult mindset to truly live
by given how close tied it can be to one's ego and insecurities. :(
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fixed deadline whilst
a large meetup would require making a (hopefully limited) number of
executive or board-level decisions in terms of budgets/deadlines to appease
3rd parties that require them.
… but I'm still not 100% sure I'm getting what you are asking, alas.
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have our heads in a laptop. Apologies that this was
unclear in my original message.
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bove the typical BSP.
Even promoting fortnightly social meetups that are more — how can I put
it? — "IPA" than "ITP" would be really beneficial to the project.
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t that diversity was a good thing but
when prompted with a question of "OK, so what shall we do?" there was
little advice beyond being welcoming, etc. being exchanged.
Without addressing this, we could end up simply paying lip service to the
concept to the detriment of all.
Regar
uable thoughts on such a
programme.)
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scuss — money,
even when the amounts involved are essentially trivial and it could
clearly save a lot of their time.
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't necessarily need it, such as marketing,
image, etc.
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onthly wouldn't be a good cadence to start off with;
predictable, easy to schedule/plan, and easy to spot when one hasn't done
it!
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wondering if you could elaborate on this so we could both counter
(or agree!) with your issues, rather than it being a little too abstract.
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ld
likely be redirected to the project as a whole to reach some form of
consensus first.
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a nod and a thanks as we leave on the final day. Conversely,
nobody is organising a meetup simply for the pat on the back at the end,
but I think we could strike a better balance here.
Lastly, I would organise some meetups myself. Hey, that's one way of
ensuring they happen, right? :)
R
e student as an ongoing relationship,
rather than a shorter-term or transactional affair limited only to the
scope of the proposal.
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ich Conservancy working to move away
from… yet the general perception IME is that it's "GNOME Outreachy",
showing how being the title/original sponsor is extremely powerful and,
perhaps, worth a slight overlap of efforts.
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ceiving the time and attention it deserves.
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documentation. Removing existing documentation is, as you
might have experienced yourself, incredibly difficult both from a
technical and and political point of view.
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