Re: General resolution: non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Phil Morrell
On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:56:43AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx dixit: > > >it are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003 > > Is there support for something like A but not enabled by default? > That is, you have to actively select a nōn-d

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Kurt Roeckx writes: > That changes it from 5 to 4 seconds. It's unclear to me what I need to > do with the discussion period because of this. If I process the message > in order, I think this was accepted and A.1.4 changes the discussion > period. Yes, this was the intent. If a ballot option is

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 04:26:40PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 11:26:51AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Hey Wouter! > > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:19:55PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > >On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > >> system

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 03:56:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > That changes it from 5 to 4 seconds. It's unclear to me what I need to > do with the discussion period because of this. If I process the message > in order, I think this was accepted and A.1.4 changes the discussion > period. > > If

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Philip Rinn
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:12:48AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original proposal. > > = > > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images > and live images) containing package

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 11:26:51AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hey Wouter! > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:19:55PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> system will *also* be configured to use the non-free-firmware > >> component by

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Simon Richter
Hi Wouter, On 8/27/22 12:18, Wouter Verhelst wrote: The third point is something we can and should address in the medium term: so far, license checks for non-free components have been mostly "can Debian redistribute this" and "can users install this". Thus, your concern can easily be handled

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2022-08-24 19:14:26) > > Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-24 10:12:48) > > > = > > > > > > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer > > > images

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:56:06AM -0400, Hubert Chathi wrote: > > s/Therefor/Therefore I've adopted this change. > > Thereby re-inforcing the interpretation that any installer or image I've also changed that to reinforcing. Let me know if that's not ok. Kurt

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:39:57AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > As far as I can tell, both Steve's and Gunnar's proposal would make > Debian less of a free software operating system than it is today. That > makes me sad. My preference for an outcome would be along the following > lines. The k

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 05:50:43PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > Seconded. Your message was not signed. Kurt

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 07:36:17AM -0500, Devin Prater wrote: > Seconded, thanks for mentioning the accessibility aspect! > Devin Prater > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Your message was not signed, nor can I find you in the list of Debian Developers. So I'm not registering this as a second. There are alr

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Bart Martens
On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 01:02:31PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 18:03:30) > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 04:18:19PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 10:02:16) > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wr

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 18:03:30) > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 04:18:19PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 10:02:16) > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > > [...] it lacks a detail I find crucial: > > > > Explicitly sp

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 03:01:41PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: > Hi, > > On 8/23/22 22:22, Bart Martens wrote: > > > > Debian would recommend the one with non-free-firmware, for the > > > purposes of enabling users to install on current hardware, but both > > > would be available. > > > Do we ne