Hi Jonas,
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 11:46:03PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Hi Wouter,
>
> Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2021-03-27 18:19:57)
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Thanks for your judgements(!), Luke and Enrico.
> > >
> > > For the record, I do
It bothers me to comment on this at all, but... I would like to propose the
following resolution.
Choice X:
The Debian Project disapproves of recent and past actions taken by FSF. With
regards to the latest action (re-acceptance of RMS to the board), it now
chooses to cut ties with the foundation
Hi Wouter,
Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2021-03-27 18:19:57)
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Thanks for your judgements(!), Luke and Enrico.
> >
> > For the record, I do not defend actions of RMS. I defend his right
> > to a fair trial.
>
> Nobody is claimin
* Steve Langasek: " Re: "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project
itself, sign any letter regarding rms" (Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:37:52 -0700):
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:20:22PM +0100, Mathias Behrle wrote:
> > > > Language quip: Not "invited to do this in person" (personally flying
> >
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:20:22PM +0100, Mathias Behrle wrote:
> > > Language quip: Not "invited to do this in person" (personally flying
> > > to wherever signatures are being gathered), but "in a personal
> > > capacity" or "as an individual action"... ?
> > I think the intention was clear, b
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Thanks for your judgements(!), Luke and Enrico.
>
> For the record, I do not defend actions of RMS. I defend his right to a
> fair trial.
Nobody is claiming Richard doesn't have the right for a fair trial. He
is still a human b
On March 27, 2021 7:15:39 PM GMT+05:30, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
>Hi
>
>On 27.03.21 14:01, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 01:56:08PM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
>>> 27.03.21 13:03 Kurt Roeckx:
I've added this option on the website. I'm still processing emails.
Note t
Hi!
On 2021-03-27 at 11:51 (+01), Timo Weingärtner wrote:
[...]
> Updated text:
> ---8<---8<---8<---
> The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard
> Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
>
> Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (
On 3/27/21 9:01 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 01:56:08PM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
>> Hallo Kurt Roeckx,
>>
>> 27.03.21 13:03 Kurt Roeckx:
>>> I've added this option on the website. I'm still processing emails.
>>>
>>> Note that it's my interpretation that if changes are acc
On 3/27/21 6:51 AM, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
>
> Updated text:
> ---8<---8<---8<---
> The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard
> Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
>
> Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any of the
Hello,
On 26.03.21 15:08, Ximin Luo wrote:
Does anyone have a response to this?
I had no intention to reply to this email, but as you insist: in my
opinion RedHat's statement captures things well enough(
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-statement-about-richard-stallmans-return-free-sof
Hi
On 27.03.21 14:01, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 01:56:08PM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
27.03.21 13:03 Kurt Roeckx:
I've added this option on the website. I'm still processing emails.
Note that it's my interpretation that if changes are accepts that
there is no need to seco
Hello,
On 26.03.21 23:12, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
That said, let's escalate your example a bit
"Escalate a bit" is quite an understatement, as you turned it into an
example of criminal behavior.
I'm just showing you the limits of what you call "free speech" :)
I think
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 01:56:08PM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
> Hallo Kurt Roeckx,
>
> 27.03.21 13:03 Kurt Roeckx:
> > I've added this option on the website. I'm still processing emails.
> >
> > Note that it's my interpretation that if changes are accepts that
> > there is no need to second i
Hallo Kurt Roeckx,
27.03.21 13:03 Kurt Roeckx:
> I've added this option on the website. I'm still processing emails.
>
> Note that it's my interpretation that if changes are accepts that
> there is no need to second it again. If you don't agree with the
> changes need to say so, and which point a
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 01:27:38PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:17:58AM +0530, Sruthi Chandran wrote:
> > > belately conveyed [0] to FSF’s staff and supporters.
>
> I've changed that to "belatedly".
The option has been committed, it should be on the website soon.
Kurt
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:17:58AM +0530, Sruthi Chandran wrote:
> > belately conveyed [0] to FSF’s staff and supporters.
I've changed that to "belatedly".
Kurt
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On 3/27/21 6:51 AM, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
>
> Updated text:
> ---8<---8<---8<---
> The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard
> Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
>
> Any individual (includi
I've added this option on the website. I'm still processing emails.
Note that it's my interpretation that if changes are accepts that
there is no need to second it again. If you don't agree with the
changes need to say so, and which point and become the proposer of
a new option and need to look f
Hi Martin,
Quoting Martin Steigerwald (2021-03-27 11:13:52)
> On addition: In a sense, Jonas, you said what I wrote below, I think.
> You warned about group shaming. And I may have misread your mail. Cause
> now I am not sure that you actually called him a monster. You wrote that
> users have a
Timo Weingärtner:
Updated text:
---8<---8<---8<---
The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard
Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any of the open
letters on this subject is invit
Quoting Timo Weingärtner (2021-03-27 11:51:40)
> 26.03.21 20:42 Jonas Smedegaard:
> > Quoting Calum McConnell (2021-03-26 20:14:50)
> > > > Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign
> > > > any of the open letters in question is invited to do this in
> > > > person.
> > >
>
* Timo Weingärtner: " Re: "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project
itself, sign any letter regarding rms" (Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:51:40 +0100):
> Hallo Jonas,
>
> 26.03.21 20:42 Jonas Smedegaard:
> > Quoting Calum McConnell (2021-03-26 20:14:50)
> >
> > > > Any individual (including D
* Michael Biebl: " Re: "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project
itself, sign any letter regarding rms" (Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:39:53 +0100):
> Am 27.03.2021 um 01:48 schrieb Gunnar Wolf:
> > Michael Biebl dijo [Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 06:08:36PM +0100]:
> >> ---8<---8<---8<---
> >> The Deb
Hallo Jonas,
26.03.21 20:42 Jonas Smedegaard:
> Quoting Calum McConnell (2021-03-26 20:14:50)
>
> > > Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any
> > > of the open letters in question is invited to do this in person.
> >
> > "In person" is a bit unclear, given our times: c
Martin Steigerwald - 27.03.21, 11:13:52 CET:
> On addition: In a sense, Jonas, you said what I wrote below, I think.
> You warned about group shaming. And I may have misread your mail.
> Cause now I am not sure that you actually called him a monster. You
> wrote that users have accused him of being
Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 00:09:40+0200, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 09:38:56PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >...
> > We *entirely* have the freedom to discriminate based on
> > what people say and do around us. We're not a government. We are *not*
> > in the situation where
On addition: In a sense, Jonas, you said what I wrote below, I think.
You warned about group shaming. And I may have misread your mail. Cause
now I am not sure that you actually called him a monster. You wrote that
users have accused him of being one. So in case I misunderstood that,
please acc
Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 23:12:45+0100, Gerardo Ballabio a écrit :
> Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> > That said, let's escalate your example a bit
>
> "Escalate a bit" is quite an understatement, as you turned it into an
> example of criminal behavior. Which makes it irrelevant to the subject
> of this d
Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 22:45:57+0530, Sruthi Chandran a écrit :
> Dear fellow DDs,
>
> Second the amendment text if acceptable to you :)
>
> Begin text
>
> Under section 4.1.5 of the constitution, the Developers make the
> following statement:
>
> *Debian’s statement on Richard St
Dear Jonas, dear Debian community,
Jonas Smedegaard - 27.03.21, 10:41:57 CET:
> I need no further testimonies or evicence that RMS is a monster.
> Regardless of the amount and type of proof, Debian should in my
> opinion *not* take part in group shaming. And *that* is relevant to
> discuss on thi
Le samedi 27 mars 2021 à 10:41:57+0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> Quoting Enrico Zini (2021-03-27 10:08:06)
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:31:28PM -0700, Luke W Faraone wrote:
> >
> > > Myself, I signed this letter based on both public information and
> > > the numerous times I've heard, unpro
Quoting Enrico Zini (2021-03-27 10:08:06)
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:31:28PM -0700, Luke W Faraone wrote:
>
> > Myself, I signed this letter based on both public information and
> > the numerous times I've heard, unprompted, stories from women and
> > female-presenting people who have had unco
Hi Gunnar
Am 27.03.2021 um 01:48 schrieb Gunnar Wolf:
Michael Biebl dijo [Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 06:08:36PM +0100]:
---8<---8<---8<---
The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard
Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
Any individual (including De
Hi Gunnar!
On 2021-03-26 at 18:48 (-06), Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Michael Biebl dijo [Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 06:08:36PM +0100]:
>> ---8<---8<---8<---
>> The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether Richard
>> Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
>>
>> Any indi
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 02:31:28PM -0700, Luke W Faraone wrote:
> Myself, I signed this letter based on both public information and the
> numerous times I've heard, unprompted, stories from women and
> female-presenting people who have had uncomfortable / creepy experiences
> with Stallman, in the
On March 27, 2021 12:28:58 AM GMT+05:30, Jonathan Carter
wrote:
>Hi peb
>
>On 2021/03/26 20:54, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>> I wonder in that case if such a person sould be either:
>>
>> 1. Nominated by the DPL
>> 2. Co-elected (ie voting for a couple of people)
>> 3. Elected separately on
On March 27, 2021 12:25:15 AM GMT+05:30, "Pierre-Elliott Bécue"
wrote:
>Le samedi 20 mars 2021 à 00:44:52+0530, Sruthi Chandran a écrit :
>>
>> On 20/03/21 12:31 am, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>> > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people
>to
>> > help him with deleg
I second the following quoted text.
Sruthi Chandran dijo [Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:17:58AM +0530]:
>
> On 26/03/21 10:45 pm, Sruthi Chandran wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear fellow DDs,
> >
> > Second the amendment text if acceptable to you :)
> >
> Re-sending with fixed signature and replacing twitter link
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