Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:19:10 -0400, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:22:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: >> In my opinion it's as this: >> >> - If a GR has normal majority, and does not conflict with a >> foundation >> document, it's ok. > Until the vote is hel

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 28 May 2004 13:11:21 -0400, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 03:38:47PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: >> While we're on the subject of interpretations, the first clause >> ("The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on >> freedom") constitutes

_Our_ resolution merely affirms the status quo

2004-06-01 Thread Ian Jackson
I'm disappointed at the amount of nonsense being posted in this thread along the following lines: I hereby propose that we eviscerate the current resolution and replace it with the following: Title: Reaffirmation of Our Fundamental Principles and Documents We the Developers reaffirm

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:22:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > In my opinion it's as this: > > - If a GR has normal majority, and does not conflict with a foundation > document, it's ok. Until the vote is held, it's not reasonable to act on any specific outcome for the vote -- we can't know wh

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 11:40]: > > On Tue, 01 Jun 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > We, Debian, reaffirm that our priorities are our users and the free > > > software community. We keep to that, both are our priorities. We > > > don't

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* John H. Robinson, IV ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 20:55]: > To: to debian-devel removed > > Andreas Barth wrote: > > * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040505 14:10]: > > > --- > > > The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom, > > > and will never knowingly issue anoth

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
To: to debian-devel removed Andreas Barth wrote: > * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040505 14:10]: > > --- > > The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom, > > and will never knowingly issue another release (excluding point > > updates to stable releases) that contains

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the > resolution: > > -- > Reaffirmation of the social contract - priorities are our users and > the free software community > > We, Debian, reaffirm th

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Raul Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 18:10]: > On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:39:10AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Reason: Please be specific what you want. As long as a GR doesn't say > > that it might touch a foundation document, it doesn't do. > It might be nice if the constitution (or some

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:39:10AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > Reason: Please be specific what you want. As long as a GR doesn't say > that it might touch a foundation document, it doesn't do. It might be nice if the constitution (or some foundation document) said this. As it happens, people ha

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:31:21AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > Objection. Common sense is what tells you that the world is flat. Common sense tells me that if the world was flat the horizon would always be obscured. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Sam Couter
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "We vote for more money" And a pony! -- Sam "Eddie" Couter | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the > resolution: Seconded. -- ciao, | Marco | [6555 tr7cnnrfx4XGs] signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 11:25]: > On 2004-06-01 09:19:15 +0100 Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the > >resolution: > Don't you need to sign it? According to my mail program, it was signed. > >We know that,

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 11:40]: > On Tue, 01 Jun 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: > > We, Debian, reaffirm that our priorities are our users and the free > > software community. We keep to that, both are our priorities. We > > don't intend to give one of them up for the other. We stro

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:15:47AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > >course, the Release Manager team is authorized to adjust the release > >policy. > So, if this option passes, the RM could just revert it to the > overruled one immediately? I think I can safely speak for everyone involved in release and a

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > For our users, we promise to do regular releases; as a guideline, a > major release of the distribution should happen about once a year. "We vote for more money" -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > We know that, as with every guidelines, there are border cases were > these guidelines don't really match. We promise to use our common > sense in this case to get to an appropriate result. We will use our > guidelines in a way that s

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: > We, Debian, reaffirm that our priorities are our users and the free > software community. We keep to that, both are our priorities. We > don't intend to give one of them up for the other. We strongly > believe that, in the long run, their interests are th

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-01 09:19:15 +0100 Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the resolution: Don't you need to sign it? We know that, as with every guidelines, there are border cases were where not were. re-inforce the release policy that was

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Michael Schiansky
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the > resolution: > > -- > Reaffirmation of the social contract - priorities are our users and > the free software community > > We, Debian, reaffirm th

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Raul Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040528 19:25]: > On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 03:38:47PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > While we're on the subject of interpretations, the first clause ("The > > Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom") > > constitutes a position statement ab

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Eduard Bloch
> I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the > resolution: > > -- > Reaffirmation of the social contract - priorities are our users and > the free software community ... > community, and we don't intend to blow our guidelines up to full legal > texts, becau

Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040505 14:10]: > --- > The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom, > and will never knowingly issue another release (excluding point > updates to stable releases) that contains anything in the 'main' or > 'contrib' sections which is not