Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 03:10:56AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I've always taken it to mean "ignoring the slight possibility that > > > > people who have voted didn't mean what they said". > > > > On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:02:00PM -0500,

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 03:10:56AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I've always taken it to mean "ignoring the slight possibility that > > > people who have voted didn't mean what they said". > > On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:02:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > I am not sure that the

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:52:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > After re-reading the draft (prompted by Branden on IRC), I > think I don't know how to define "when the vote is no longer in > doubt", since people can always revote. [...] > I suggest we strike the clause about the s

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 05:39, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > There is another problem here, which is far worse IMHO. For somebody to > declare that an early end is possible, that person needs to have inside > knowledge about the votes cast so far. The person who makes that declaration is the Project

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 04:00, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Well, the current draft says "In this context, we ignore the > > possibility that people might want to change their vote." > > > Is that a reasonable statement? Probably, actually, for the reasons mentioned in another message by me,

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > The major problem, as I see it, is that we have not yet > conducted enough votes, and on enough different _kinds_ of options, > to convincingly determine what fraction of voters typically change > their minds, and to build a safe buffer in determining when a

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:23:19 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 09:02 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> BTW, people did revote on the last day of the DPL elections, and >> the narrowest victory was in single digit votes, ( 4 beats 2: 228 >> 224 = 4 ).

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:10:56 -0400, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > I've always taken it to mean "ignoring the slight possibility >> > that people who have voted didn't mean what they said". > On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:02:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I am not sure that the

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:01 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 06:52 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> After re-reading the draft (prompted by Branden on IRC), I think I >> don't know how to define "when the vote is no longer in doubt

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 09:02 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: BTW, people did revote on the last day of the DPL elections, and the narrowest victory was in single digit votes, ( 4 beats 2: 228 224 = 4 ). If there were 4 people who hadn't voted, then, the outcome was still in doubt. With th

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Monday, May 12, 2003, at 06:52 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi folks, After re-reading the draft (prompted by Branden on IRC), I think I don't know how to define "when the vote is no longer in doubt", since people can always revote. Well, the current draft says "In this context,

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:52:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I suggest we strike the clause about the secretary's ability > to end votes early. I agree with this. The "no longer in daubt" clause is hard to get right and early termination of votes doesn't buy us much. Joche

Re: May 12th voting draft

2003-05-13 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:04:48PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I really would like to nail this down, and start the 2 week > discussion period this week, and start the vote before the end of the > month. This would be great :-) Jochen --

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread moth
> > I've always taken it to mean "ignoring the slight possibility that > > people who have voted didn't mean what they said". On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:02:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I am not sure that the possibility is slight, really. Oh? In the elections you have details on,