Re: High Rate of ballot rejections this year

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:13:33 +0100 (CET), >> Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava: >> Why is it harsh? I certainly did not mean it to be. It was meant >> to be a statement of fact. > Okay, the use of "shall" instead of "will" just sounded very weird > to me. But th

Re: High Rate of ballot rejections this year

2003-03-24 Thread Peter Karlsson
Manoj Srivastava: > Why is it harsh? I certainly did not mean it to be. It was > meant to be a statement of fact. Okay, the use of "shall" instead of "will" just sounded very weird to me. But then again, English is not my mother tongue, so I might just have misunderstood it. > Conta

Re: integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:35:02 +1100, >> Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I would like to see NM'ers who have been in the queue for more than > 6 months be able to vote. You realize that needs a GR, and one with a super majority requirement, to change the constitution.

Re: integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:03:41 -0600 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My original point was that people who do not actually > exercise their franchise are unlikely to be one of the active set -- > and need to be looked at to see if they are indeed inactive. Having > inactive me

Re: integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:35:02 +1100, >> Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I would like to see NM'ers who have been in the queue for more than > 6 months be able to vote. You realize that needs a GR, and one with a super majority requirement, to change the constitution.

Re: integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:54:45 -0500, >> Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I did not vote in this election. I know who I'd have voted for, if > I did vote, but I'm struggling with some more fundamental issues. The polls are not yet closed. > More generally, most Debian decisi

Re: High Rate of ballot rejections this year

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:21:33 +0100 (CET), >> Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava: >> Bottom line, so far there is no way to encrypt a ballot, and >> encrypting it to my key means it shan't get counted. > That statement sounds a bit harsh. That it *will* not get cou

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Martin Schulze
Buddha Buck wrote: > Martin Schulze wrote (publically to Moshe Zadka): > >And do you really believe that people want you as DPL when you are > >apparently unable to compress an IRC log to the relevant "offensive" > >messages, but send a 300 lines IRC logfile instead? > > Er, in fairness to Moshe,

Re: integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:03:41 -0600 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My original point was that people who do not actually > exercise their franchise are unlikely to be one of the active set -- > and need to be looked at to see if they are indeed inactive. Having > inactive me

integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Raul Miller
I did not vote in this election. I know who I'd have voted for, if I did vote, but I'm struggling with some more fundamental issues. More generally, most Debian decisions have been made by an "activist elite". So far, that's seemed to work fairly well -- perhaps because of our charter, we've be

Re: integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:54:45 -0500, >> Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I did not vote in this election. I know who I'd have voted for, if > I did vote, but I'm struggling with some more fundamental issues. The polls are not yet closed. > More generally, most Debian decisi

Re: High Rate of ballot rejections this year

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:21:33 +0100 (CET), >> Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava: >> Bottom line, so far there is no way to encrypt a ballot, and >> encrypting it to my key means it shan't get counted. > That statement sounds a bit harsh. That it *will* not get cou

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Martin Schulze
Buddha Buck wrote: > Martin Schulze wrote (publically to Moshe Zadka): > >And do you really believe that people want you as DPL when you are > >apparently unable to compress an IRC log to the relevant "offensive" > >messages, but send a 300 lines IRC logfile instead? > > Er, in fairness to Moshe,

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:11:32 +0100, >> Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > And do you really believe that people want you as DPL when you are > apparently unable to compress an IRC log to the relevant > "offensive" messages, but send a 300 lines IRC logfile instead? joey, I

Re: High Rate of ballot rejections this year

2003-03-24 Thread Peter Karlsson
Manoj Srivastava: > Bottom line, so far there is no way to encrypt a ballot, and > encrypting it to my key means it shan't get counted. That statement sounds a bit harsh. That it *will* not get counted I can live with, but that it *shall* not? Oh well. Maybe it's just me. Anyway, I just t

integrity of elections

2003-03-24 Thread Raul Miller
I did not vote in this election. I know who I'd have voted for, if I did vote, but I'm struggling with some more fundamental issues. More generally, most Debian decisions have been made by an "activist elite". So far, that's seemed to work fairly well -- perhaps because of our charter, we've be

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Buddha Buck
Martin Schulze wrote (publically to Moshe Zadka): If you can't trust Manoj, who else can you trust in this project? And do you really believe that people want you as DPL when you are apparently unable to compress an IRC log to the relevant "offensive" messages, but send a 300 lines IRC logfile

Request for a vote recount

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, To the committee memebrs: there is a potentially high profile dispute brewing, and the ctte may wish to step in as the independent recount body as has been requested. The details are archived at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Martin Schulze
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, [No need to cc dwn@ if you post to -vote and/or -devel-announce, monitoring both always. Providing a stripped down paragraph, however, would be appreciated.] Rest for Moshe. > Date: 24 Mar 2003 15:46:05 - > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:11:32 +0100, >> Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > And do you really believe that people want you as DPL when you are > apparently unable to compress an IRC log to the relevant > "offensive" messages, but send a 300 lines IRC logfile instead? joey, I

Re: High Rate of ballot rejections this year

2003-03-24 Thread Peter Karlsson
Manoj Srivastava: > Bottom line, so far there is no way to encrypt a ballot, and > encrypting it to my key means it shan't get counted. That statement sounds a bit harsh. That it *will* not get counted I can live with, but that it *shall* not? Oh well. Maybe it's just me. Anyway, I just t

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Buddha Buck
Martin Schulze wrote (publically to Moshe Zadka): If you can't trust Manoj, who else can you trust in this project? And do you really believe that people want you as DPL when you are apparently unable to compress an IRC log to the relevant "offensive" messages, but send a 300 lines IRC logfile in

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 11:58:04AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > Moshe Zadka wrote: > > As one of the candidates in the DPL elections, I feel that some remarks > > made by the secretary in #debian-devel have caused me to be unable to > > trust his integrity. I do not feel I can trust his words about

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Peter Makholm
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > I got this message here: Can anyone explain what happend in that IRC-log? I just don't get the problem. Is the problem just that Manoj doesn't think that developers of Moshes kind is usefull and therefore Moshe doesn't trust Manoj?

Request for a vote recount

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, To the committee memebrs: there is a potentially high profile dispute brewing, and the ctte may wish to step in as the independent recount body as has been requested. The details are archived at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Martin Schulze
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, [No need to cc dwn@ if you post to -vote and/or -devel-announce, monitoring both always. Providing a stripped down paragraph, however, would be appreciated.] Rest for Moshe. > Date: 24 Mar 2003 15:46:05 - > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PROT

[Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I got this message here: --- Begin Message --- Dear Debian Project Leader, As one of the candidates in the DPL elections, I feel that some remarks made by the secretary in #debian-devel have caused me to be unable to trust his integrity. I do not feel I can trust his words about the

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 11:58:04AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > Moshe Zadka wrote: > > As one of the candidates in the DPL elections, I feel that some remarks > > made by the secretary in #debian-devel have caused me to be unable to > > trust his integrity. I do not feel I can trust his words about

Re: [Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Peter Makholm
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > I got this message here: Can anyone explain what happend in that IRC-log? I just don't get the problem. Is the problem just that Manoj doesn't think that developers of Moshes kind is usefull and therefore Moshe doesn't trust Manoj?

[Moshe Zadka ] Independent Count

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I got this message here: --- Begin Message --- Dear Debian Project Leader, As one of the candidates in the DPL elections, I feel that some remarks made by the secretary in #debian-devel have caused me to be unable to trust his integrity. I do not feel I can trust his words about the

Status of the elections

2003-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi Folks, Since the LDAP server at db.debian.org is misbehaving, the vote engine is not fully operational. The ballots are being received and stored (and gpg processing is still happening), but the ballots are not parsed and tallied, and hance acks are not being generated. Nex