On Sun, 2022-09-11 at 10:26 +0200, Corentin Bardet wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le 2022-09-11 07:39, Pankaj Jangid a écrit :
> > For a few work related meetings, I have to use Google Meet. But the
> > screensharing doesn't work in the Chromium installed from stable APT
> > repository. Clicking on the share-sc
th the -i option, I found
it a great locker for *any* wm/de.
http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201406/201406.htm#locking_your_screen
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7. Back up the machine.
8. Over time, copy relevant data from the /scratch/oldbox/home tree to
the /home tree. Please remember, a lot of what's in /home is old
config that would harm your new installation, so be picky: Copy only
real data that you produce
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400
> > Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and reinstalling major versions.
> > It's like spring clea
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:55:32 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 23:50:45 schrieb Chris Bannister:
> > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400
> > >
> > > Ric Moore w
t; Debian, I now have to include systemd init scripts (or the
> > packagers do).
> >
> > Sure, it's "voluntary" - but not really.
>
> Oh, the same way I could say:
>
> I am forced to write init scripts for a package. As I recently just
>
ing a desktop to do lots of non-IT things,
that's just too much maintenance time.
I'm working on an experimental with PC-BSD sometimes, late at night. A
little slow, but pretty good.
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, it's made from modules"
argument. Here's my take on that...
http://troubleshooters.com/linux/systemd/lol_systemd.htm
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
> >
> > Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidel
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:10:52 -0500
green wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland wrote at 2014-09-28 13:05 -0500:
> > The more and more I read people objecting to the modularity of
> > systemd, the more I am reminded of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate re
> > microkernels.
>
> It does seem to be related, though
ear you got it fixed. What's the benefit of a bluetooth mouse
over an RF mouse like the Logitech 310?
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:45:13 -0400
Stephen Allen wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:29:22AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300
> > Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> &
u can get to
debian.gtisc.gatech.edu, and then rerun your original commands.
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128Mb machine (but it could hardly run more than one or two GUI
programs simultaneously, using Xfce).
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:13:10 -0400
Stephen Allen wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:58:30AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Me, I'm personally going to continue fresh installing, because I
> > enjoy the spring-cleaning aspect of it, and the fact that I'm
> > st
27;s that pretty much guarantee you can run
any app you want.
Why don't you convert your Debian server to OpenBSD running as a guest
of xen? If you already know and use xen, you have the easiest escape
hatch in the world.
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ble to assume its former role, and as a matter of fact, the way things
are going, that can be said for all of Linux.
So actually, I hope I'm wrong.
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t free software window manager/desktop
environments exist. Like probably about 20 or more excellent ones. LXDE
and Xfce are two of the best. I *always* have LXDE on my laptops, so
that when my IQ drops 30 points before giving a presentation, I can get
my laptop and projector
people would be right at home with Arch, Gentoo, Funtoo
or Slack. So if I had an uber-Geek in the family, that's what I'd give
him or her.
I understand the benefit of using one distro and learning it in and
out, but I think in the long run that won't work for some
x27;s a done deal"
or the ever disengenous "so make your own distro".
Just for the record, my objection is the monolithic entanglement of
systemd.
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, NetBSD has a xen kernel
available.
Unless I'm vastly misinformed, once your dom0 xen is installed, you can
now install domU hosts of any type you want, with or without systemd,
and use them to your heart's content.
Am I understanding the situation right?
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 12:20:31 +0400
Reco wrote:
> Hi.
Hi Reco,
This is outstanding information. Thank you!
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 04:16:41PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:57:41 +0400
> > Reco wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, ok. We all got
re I have might be able to handle chroots, but it won't do
> > VMs. Too old.
>
> LXC is worth a look.
Thanks Jonathan. I use Docker from time to time, but never knew about
LXC. If I use LXC experimentally, what's a good, simple, proof of
concept use case?
Th
desktop (AKA workspace). Cool! I think fvwm had that
in the 20th century!
That snap feature to tile your windows actually looks pretty good.
Anyone know of an equivalent command for Openbox?
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er name?
>
> Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low level.
>
> Lisi
Yeah, go ahead. And then three more will pop up for each one you
silence.
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egory, and maybe 10
more people, and your hearing about systemd would decrease by a factor
of four. Additionally, your continuing protestations couldn't be used as
a recruiting tool for the anti-systemd folks.
But nooo!
What am I missing?
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#x27;t do this. It hurts the credibility of the entire
group who agrees with you 100% on the issues. There are enough *facts*
about systemd, Poettering, Sievers and Redhat to logically and
completely make your point.
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What do you mean by "fully flat graphics?" If you mean no 3D, Linux has
had that forever: Don't install Compiz, and use Xfce, LXDE, Openbox, or
a host of other desktops. Stay away from Unity :-)
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:23:02 -0300
Felipe de Andrade Neves Lavratti wrote:
> It seems to be fully flat
upgrade that there will be a permissions
> problem, and what to do about it. Only a month or two there appeared
> to be no problem with permissions.
At this point, you haven't enough evidence to deduce whether or not
it's a permissions problem. You should re-try the original progra
I use Openbox on my desktop, and LXDE on all my laptops.
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B) Send the poster a short reason why his post has been moderated.
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Go Linux wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 10/6/14, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Subject: Moderated posts?
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Monday, October 6, 2014, 4:42 PM
>
> Hi all,
Close Window
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room for mockery to make your point without swearwords or extreme
incivility.
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Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2014 06 Oct 16:45 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the
> > list, as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. These posts
>
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:42:14 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list,
> as defined by both my inbox and the list archive.
I emailed listmas...@lists.debian.org, and although I didn't get a yes
or no answe
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:22:04 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 06 oct 14, 18:08:22, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Everyone has a different way of working, so your hotkeys will
> > probably be different than mine, but systemd here's a
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 08:59:30 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 01:23:06AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > 1) Don't respond to "obvious trolls". Although "obvious trolls"
> > wasn't defined
>
> Sinc
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:10:32 +1300
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 08:59:30AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 01:23:06AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > 1) Don't respond to "obvious t
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:08:15 +0200
Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 07/10/14 07:23, Steve Litt wrote:
> > These are nowhere near a verbatim repeat of what the Listmaster
> > said, but if these two things are what he meant, well, I can live
> > with that, always assuming it
gt;
> -Rob
I've never been able to mount a USB stick with pcmanfm, on either
Ubuntu or Debian (Wheezy). Only Thunar did it, and then only on Ubuntu.
Fortunately, I installed something that automounts my thumb drives
to /media/usb0, /media/usb1, etc, so I don't n
sing Openbox by default, even though it
> doesn't Depends on it (but it does on obconf ;)
Here's the logic:
a) Without client-list-combined menu functionality, I'd need a taskbar
to prevent my getting lost.
b) If I must have a taskbar, I might as well use LXDE, which
ed with various laptop function keys.
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https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708
Read the first 10 messages.
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Joel Rees wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Andrei POPESCU
> wrote:
> > On Mi, 08 oct 14, 11:41:05, Joel Rees wrote:
> >> 2014/10/08 6:07 "Andrei POPESCU" :
> >> >
> >> > On Ma, 07 oct
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 10:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Owens wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Steve Litt"
> > On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
> > Rob Owens wrote:
> > Fortunately, I installed something that automounts my thumb drives
>
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:24:11 -0400
Ric Moore wrote:
> On 10/06/2014 05:42 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Personally, I think the right way to moderate a list is:
> >
> > A) Tell everyone it's a moderated list
> > B) Send the poster a short reason why his post h
you're wasting my limited bandwidth. :/ Ric
Having a bad year, Ric? Every time you post, you're in a bad mood. You
know how to use procmail, why don't you just filter suject "Moderated
posts?", or filter *me* out?
As a matter of fact, that just gave me an idea. Thanks!
Hi all,
Five minutes ago I posted a mean, personal attack. Nobody needs that,
especially these days. So I just procmailed that particular person
to /dev/null, so I won't see his messages and respond to him.
I apologize to the list and the person I personally attacked.
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ou can hope for is
something like pfSense, but that's not all that simple either.
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did works for everybody when Jessie goes stable, you've
just singlehandedly ended this whole argument. If you want to
collaborate on this article, I'll throw an extra hard disk in my
experimental box to tech edit your instructions.
This just might be good news.
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ould replace sysvinit or the PID 1 portions of
systemd or upstart with a daemontools superset. By the way, I just read
on the nosh web page that they can provide
"nosh-systemd-services_1.7_amd64.deb", which supposedly supports nosh
in daemontools compatibility mode under systemd.
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:16:47 -0400
Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/8/2014 10:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > If what you did works for everybody when Jessie goes stable, you've
> > just singlehandedly ended this whole argument.
>
> Not really.
>
> Just because it can be
On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:47:33 +0100
Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Steve Litt
> wrote:
> > So if you've seen some of your posts not be posted, be aware that
> ...
>
> I often see debian-user messages in Gmail's spam box (that are not
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:27:30 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> Complexity is not a simple topic. :-\
Can I quote you on that?
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bit of configuration is easily done from an editor, and there's little
complexity beyond the complexity of the original problem domain.
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LOL, the more people bust old features putting in new features, the
more I kludge.
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Hi all,
How does one network-install Jessie? I always network-install Wheezy,
and love it that way, but I've never found a way to network-install
Jessie/Testing. Is there any way that doesn't involve installing Wheezy
and then upgrading?
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ists:
1) The messages come to you, you don't need to remember to go out to two
dozen forums to find your conversations.
2) You don't need to log in to post a reply.
I'm on several forums. But invariably, as time goes on, I forget their
existence. The day's just too busy to walk a
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:58:04 +0300
softwatt wrote:
> On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists:
>
> You missed my point entirely.
> Those two advantages are reserved in my proposal.
>
OK then...
As long as it co
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:01:15 +0300
softwatt wrote:
> On 10/10/2014 05:58 PM, softwatt wrote:
> > On 10/10/2014 05:41 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> > You missed the biggest 2 advantages of mailing lists:
> > You missed my point entirely.
> > Those two advan
for them.
To me, that's why mailing lists are hugely superior to forums. That's
also why most free software projects have mailing lists, not forums.
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the encrypted disk as an exercise for the reader, but
basically:
To boot up, you boot up, ssh in, and run uppp.sh
To shut down, you ssh in, run downnn.sh.
If you sometimes need to reboot instead of powering off, you could
remove the shutdown from downnn.sh and just do it manually while you
> You might want to check your facts:
>
> Linus Torvalds "only" created the Linux kernel, which is notoriously
> monolithic[1].
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate
This is very true, but the kernel knows its boundaries, and doesn
e other hand, when something gets big, like as big as systemd is
trying to be, a monolithic solution, or even a modular solution with
wide and detailed interfaces, is a constant bug risk, and disables
smart people from making things with building blocks.
> Is systemd going to change the
27;d just work around their silly BS. sudoers plus shellscripts plus one
of those multi-launchers to call those shellscripts should do that job.
And maybe submit a bug report to Xfce telling them their new master
killed features you use every day.
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:21:14 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 11 oct 14, 13:40:08, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > sysvinit is an idea whose time has gone. sysvinit is a poor way to
> > showcase the Unix Way. First of all, the whole idea of runlevels is
> > bizarre, a
ssing something. If I needed multiple X servers, wouldn't I just
CLI log into different users on Ctrl+Alt+F2 and Ctrl+Alt+F3, and run
startx from each?
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Does imapfilter run in the foreground, or does it have an option to run
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IX should be ignored under certain
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implementation currently ignores it.
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inquish,
and at the time I thought he was over the top. But that's basically
exactly what Poettering says in this 9:31 interview.
Everybody should view this video!
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 19:05:19 -0400
Doug wrote:
> On 10/11/2014 05:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:21:14 +0300
> > Daemontools runscripts are incredibly simple shellscripts, that I'm
> > sure you could write no sweat except in very wierd edge cases
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:05:59 +0200
lee wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
>
> > pingaddr=8.8.8.8
> > pingaddr=192.168.100.96
>
> Why is this is defined multiple times?
Mistake!
The 8.8.8.8 isn't needed. That's a test of Internet connectivity, when
what I wanted w
ss it to the C program, and
then use the temporary string as a sure fire field separator. The C
program could also take an option as to whether or not should find
hidden files, and it could prepend "./" onto all relative paths not
already beginning with "./". I might do that toni
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:06:11 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> Hmm. Let's comment that for people newer to scripting than I am.
>
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Steve Litt
> wrote:
> > ### RUN THE DAEMON ###
> > exec envuidgid slitt envdir ./env setuidgid slit
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:33:48 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 11 oct 14, 17:41:28, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:28:31 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Really? How do you write an initscript that restarts your daemon
>
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:07:01 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 11 oct 14, 21:40:49, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > From my viewpoint, shellscripts were never intended to be big, huge
> > programs. To me, they just glue together commands, and have a few
> > rudime
ith other tools*.
If I were to maintain his code, before reducing the 1800 line
function, I'd do something about the function with 20 arguments, with
each argument including a function call. I'd replace all of that with
a struct pointer.
But then again, as a user, his imple
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:16:54 -0700
Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
> > This essay practically screams out for somebody to write a C program
> > that takes an argument of an arbitrary string, finds all files in a
> > directory, and returns a l
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:18:57 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read
> > wrote:
> > > On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > You have n
idn't reach its 6
> seconds, 7 months ago, will lead to an incredibly bigger waste of
> time, just when we're about to freeze testing.
>
> The GR train passed…
So what do you suggest instead?
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mirabilos,
Thank you for being one of the few who stood up and said "hey guys,
let's not rush to judgement here." No matter how things turn out, I'll
always respect the stance you took, and how long you maintained that
stance in spite of people opposing you.
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t a lot
of stringent moderation, it's not going to work.
> If not, where do I propose the creation of such a list?
It already exists: http://www.freelists.org/archive/modular-debian/
You can subscribe at http://www.freelists.org/list/modular-debian
Posting there does not preclude expres
read the preceding paragraph. Ansgar
made my anti-systemd argument perfectly.
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> >
>
> Oh shit.
If I were going to give up free software and go proprietary, I'd go
Mac. Unfortunately, at this point I'm actually considering Mac as my
final backstop.
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:02:16 -0400
Carl Fink wrote:
> Slackware springs to mind.
Before this, I would have said that slackware sucks. From what I
understand, they're proud that their package manager doesn't support
dependencies. Sy whaaaat?
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nstead of -offtopic.
:s/off-topic/stuff that Andrei deems off-topic/
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t; When/if that happens, we should see the hard dependencies between
> systemd and other stuff that has been absorbed by systemd disappear.
>
> The real problem is that Poettering and others over there have rather
> indicated an unwillingness to do that.
Three words: Fo
g with a Red Hat owned and
controlled Linux, and is tired of hearing from those of us who do.
The solution is trivial. If, as everyone claims, we're such a minority,
he could filter us all out and never see our posts again. Problem
solved.
SteveT
Steve Litt* http://www.troub
omething anyone can work
with into something requiring Red Hat special sauce, has also moved
from "paranoid conspiracy theory" to "yeah, it might happen."
I think I said it a couple weeks ago: This systemd thing was once
merely a technical disagreement, but i
e.
>
> Have you actually looked into what depends on systemd?
PAM is enough for me, considering everything that uses PAM. They could
have made their PAM plug compatible with the old PAM, but nooo.
Because interchangability is not only not their goal, it gets in the
way of their goal.
Ste
the best thing for the community or other entity, but they also have a
financial stake in which way the thing goes, they have a huge incentive
to vote in a way detrimental to the community or other entity. This is
why bribery is a crime.
SteveT
Steve Litt* http://www.troub
of our abilities, boycott (and be vocal about
it) those who don't comply.
SteveT
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:51:09 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:40:59AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > The solution is trivial. If, as everyone claims, we're such a
> > minority, he could filter us all out and never see our posts again.
> > Prob
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:37:30 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 15:56, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:25:23 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >> Have you actually looked into what depends on systemd?
> >
> > PAM is enough for me, consid
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:35:34 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 16:48, Steve Litt wrote:
> > So are you saying I could use sysvinit or nosh as my PID1, drop in
> > libpam-systemd and no other systemd components, and have all PAM
> > functionalities run properly?
&
s.
That's true.
> I have even publicly disagreed with him.
> I continue to value his input.
Same with me.
>
> > ... the whole project would be better off without you.
>
> *NO*
Agreed. Andrei's OK.
I know this impending systemd thing is bringing out the worst
e
change management books you'd recommend, especially in light of the
fact that a lot of us want to change the PID1 software one way or
another?
I have a feeling such a book might make *me* more useful.
Thanks,
SteveT
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