Re: Hard Disk Error Messages

1999-02-09 Thread Richard Lyon
Look like it could be a problem with motherboard or controller. When I booted up tonight there are no problems. Running badblocks detects no problems with the paritition and dumpe2fs lists none either. I will have to pull the machine to bits, look for anything loose and clean the fans. > Don

Re: Find

1999-02-11 Thread Richard Lyon
> I can't say I'm a grep whiz but I don't think it will do what I'm looking > for. For > example if I'm looking for a certain word in a long text file, the file is > loaded > in an xterm window, will grep find the word and place it in front of me > highlighted? In windows I hit "ctrl+f", I get

Re: slashdot poll

1999-02-11 Thread Richard Lyon
> What do people like about RH? Is it worth trying to nick parts of their > install? I found it a pain - It wouldn't let me just install individual > packages, though I wonder whether some of the modconf stuff could be left > out for the initial install. > Maybe people like the RH install b

Re: Find

1999-02-11 Thread Richard Lyon
> Does anyone know if there's a program like the "find" program in > windows? It allows you to search for a key word in most windows you > have open, it finds the word, takes you to the word and highlights it. This is not possible. For example, what if you have a bitmap displayed which has text

Re: slashdot poll

1999-02-11 Thread Richard Lyon
> If an F1 motor was put into a mini-van body would it be any less powerful > or more difficult to actually start ? > It would be a complete disaster. Yes it would be a pain to start, the clutch would melt and the flywheel would go into orbit around mars. Maybe a better analogy would be replaci

Re: Few ideas

1999-02-11 Thread Richard Lyon
> 1) The package system could switch on something more source-based. I > mean, there have been a few discussions on optimizing packages. > (Debian-i686) On a compile it yourself, the package can hardly be more > optimized to your computer. Your statement is a rather broad generalisation, whi

Re: slashdot poll

1999-02-13 Thread Richard Lyon
< Interesting message from Keith ... > What Keith has done here is list the advantages of Debian over Redhat. I agree with every point he has listed. RH is great, providing you want to follow their rules. I know a lot of people who don't run X, they don't need it. Do we really want Debian just

Re: Can't Mount a Zip Drive

1999-02-16 Thread Richard Lyon
Hi, I have a SCSII zip installed on a hamm system. During boot with no disk in the drive I get the following messages: aha152x: processing commandline: ok aha152x: BIOS test: passed, detected 1 controller(s) aha152x0: vital data: PORTBASE=0x140, IRQ=11, SCSI ID=7, reconnect=enabled, parity=enab

Re: Installing DOS and ATAPI CD probs

1999-02-16 Thread Richard Lyon
> Else, since reinstallation the CDROM driver is not working well. It's and > OTI-HERMES ATAPI (primary slave) and during installation gave many errors > like: > hdb: irq timeout: status=0xd0 > hdb: ATAPI reset complete > > and I'm having a hard time to mount it or to run dselect with it. > I

Re: Sound configuration not in initial install

1999-02-16 Thread Richard Lyon
> David Webster wrote: > > > > Well Windows and OS/2 don't seem to have a problem with letting you > > configure your sound stuff right up front. How hard is it to add a > > sound item to modconf screen used in in the "Drivers Configuration" > > phase of the install?. Afterall, these drivers are

Re: Disk Partioning (FDISK)

1999-02-24 Thread Richard Lyon
superformat -Da: --dosverify /dev/fd0 > Using Fdisk on a Disk that has a working copy of Win 98 which i wanted to > put Debian on i get this error: > Checking Boot sector > Error: Number of Sectors > (long) does not match partition info > 2411873 instead of 3322305 > Please help!

Re: hda: unexpected_intr: Error=0x41 { DriveStatusError }

1999-02-26 Thread Richard Lyon
> I have tried several ways of istalling debian, I have formatted my disk > with BIOS, with fdisk, with fips. I am getting an error message that > repeats its self: > > had: unexpected_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } > hda: unexpected_intr: status=0x41 { DriveStatusError } >

Re: PINE permission...

1999-03-03 Thread Richard Lyon
> Hey! UW has given me permission to distribute PINE. COOL. > You sure are a dedicated dude. I am getting sick of exmh, so I think I switch back to pine.

Re: Xfig question

1999-03-03 Thread Richard Lyon
> I am forced to use a lo-res X server (basically, a VGA server with > 16 colours). Recently, I have had need to use xfig.The problem is that > xfig enjoys using hi reesolution servers, and I am left with only a handful > of icons on the left hand side toolbar, and none underneath. I have been > tr

Re: Big HD problems - How stuffed am I?

1999-03-03 Thread Richard Lyon
> I've also been having problems with a Quantum... this one is detected > as Quantum BIGFOOT_CY4320A. It was first installed as a Win95 drive. > Wasn't long before Windows started detecting errors at the beginning > of the drive, and it finally became unusable. I'm using it for linux > now. When

Re: fig2dev (fig -> gif)

1999-03-03 Thread Richard Lyon
> I'm trying to use fig2dev to convert fig format images into gifs, but I > keep getting empty gif files. Your right! It's actually the transfig package as a whole which appears to have no support for the generation of gif. If you look at the source code you will find there is support for readin

Re: fig2dev (fig -> gif)

1999-03-04 Thread Richard Lyon
> I suppose I could find something else that can do jpeg -> gif > conversion, but there doesn't seem to be much point converting from a > lossy format to a non lossy format just for the sake of it! > There is such a thing as loss less jpeg. It may be supported.

Re: Vote Linus for Person of the Century

1999-03-06 Thread Richard Lyon
> Don't even think Linus should BE the person of the century. That honor > probably goes to Thomas Edison. We owe our current culture and style of > living to that guy. His experiments with his lightbulb led to the > discovery of the "Edison effect" which led DeForest to do some more > experiments

Re: Vote Linus for Person of the Century

1999-03-06 Thread Richard Lyon
> Oh, goodie! A religious discussion! > OK I'm voting for Adam. Without him we all would be dust.

Re: Is Linux addictive?

1999-03-06 Thread Richard Lyon
I think it is called sensory deprivation, ultimately leading to hallucinations.

Re: Linux&Dos assmebler

1999-03-08 Thread Richard Lyon
> I was thinking about learning assembler, but there is a > problem. > I heard about DOS interrupts, which I guess work only in > DOS. > Which I guess means that if I buy a book about x86 > assembler, > and it speak a lot about that interrupt things, > I have a fair chance it wouldn't work in Linu

Re: packages missing

1999-03-08 Thread Richard Lyon
Are we talking about HAMM? > are there some x-packages missing from stable? (xfree86-common and so > on) if so, when are they going to get here?

Re: Linux

1999-03-08 Thread Richard Lyon
> I would like to invest in Linux but can't find a stock in that name -- > can you help I suggest the fastest and best way to lose your money is to send it to me.

Re: Slink CDs available -> Australia

1999-03-10 Thread Richard Lyon
> I'm currently offering CDs 1,2 and 5 (all the binary CDs -- source will > come along soon). Given the prices most people in Australia are forced > to pay for net access it will almost certainly be a lot cheaper to buy > the CDs than download. > So Tyson, do you have the official SLINK release

Re: I can't believe this

1999-03-10 Thread Richard Lyon
> I'm now taking a course in Linux. It's the only way I can learn > it. Dos, Windows, Assembler, AppleDos, etc are all self -intuitive. Linux > is not. Have you tried a good book like "Running LINUX" by Welsh and Kaufman (O'Reilly)? It helped me a lot. The linux HOWTOs are pretty good also.

Re: writing device drivers for fbsd

1999-03-10 Thread Richard Lyon
> What is a good reference to learn to to write device drivers for fbsd? I > remember some recommended a good book a few months ago but forgot to save the > message. > Is this a troll? The obvious answer is to ask the question on the fbsd mail lists. Those friendly bsd folks will help out. Mo

Re: I can't beleive this

1999-03-10 Thread Richard Lyon
> P.S. I'm a fairly new linux user and I actually like dselect. Should I > seek counseling? :) > Yes I am new to linux and like dselect. Gives one a good grasp on what is going on and makes installing packages a breeze. Maybe we should form the dselect self-help group to try and convince ourse

Re: I can't beleive this

1999-03-13 Thread Richard Lyon
> I have no respect for those people. Yes, a computer is a tool. But > lets drop in a few other examples. > Well linux is a tool for me. I don't care a monkey about the internal workings of the kernel. Its only important to me that it works. Yes I have had to compile a kernel image to get

Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?

1999-03-13 Thread Richard Lyon
> I'm just about to get my doctorate in neuroscience, > and I have have several large databases essential for my dissertation. > For statistical analysis, I use Statistica for windows, and for graphing > my data, I use SigmaPlot for windows. A call to all scientists out there > - are there any nati

Re: Gnome 1.0 debs?

1999-03-13 Thread Richard Lyon
> > Couldn't .debs that aren't 100% at least go into potato? That's what > unstable is for isn't it ? Why is there this pent up frustration for always having the absolute latest versions of software? I would have thought it may be a good idea to wait a few weeks to see if others report that the

Re: Gnome 1.0 debs?

1999-03-13 Thread Richard Lyon
> The staging area is not a secret, it is publically available, too, for > developers and testers. Check the dtk-gnome mailling list archiv if you are > interested (or devel-announce). > And by testing this you make a significant worthwhile contribution to the Debian project. Whoops ... gnome 1

Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?

1999-03-15 Thread Richard Lyon
> However, your last sentence is so seriously misleading that it must > be corrected. > I'm interested. > First, octave is no "spreadsheet" but close to being a clone of the > MatLab core executable. Therefore it is a highly programmable matrix- and > array-oriented general-purpose numerical ana

Re: HELP! [homega@vlc.servicom.es: unexpected inconsistency!]

1999-03-15 Thread Richard Lyon
> Now, after two days > it has happened yet again ... this time while editing various files on > three different consoles: all of a sudden I got a message (don't remember > which one), and couldn't do anything else, not even ^C. I had to reset the > machine (^AltDel wouldn't work either) and the

Re: Too many subdirectories

1999-03-16 Thread Richard Lyon
> I hate to ask, but... why??? I duplicated this for the sake of making > sure this script would work, and it brought my system to it's knees. > A classic troll technique.

Re: rawrite[23] problem on nt 4.0

1998-12-11 Thread Richard Lyon
Yes I use rawrite2 under winnt 4.0. A couple of things you might try are: 1.Try a preformatted floppy. 2.If you are connected to a network logout and try running in standalone mode. Some of laptop computers should really be called winputers. -Original Message- From: Aaron

Re: Anyone know what this is?? (SPAM?)

1998-12-11 Thread Richard Lyon
-Original Message- From: J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Robert V. MacQuarrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Debian-User-Mailing-List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, 11 December 1998 0:25 Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is?? (SPAM?) >PATRIOTISM A great British

Re: X is giving me a headache.

1998-12-13 Thread Richard Lyon
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, 13 December 1998 7:22 Subject: Re: X is giving me a headache. >I found that page, it's www.x11.org. Thanks for this. I am getting a bit t

Re: switch off Debian

1998-12-16 Thread Richard Lyon
shutdown -h now Then wait until you see a message informing you that the system has shutdown. -Original Message- From: Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Michael Wahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wednesday, 16 December 1998 7:

WP8 - Lots of Joy and some grumbles

1998-12-18 Thread Richard Lyon
Hi all, I see this latest version of wordperfect is causing some excitement. Has anyone checked to see how the micrsoft share price is faring? Before I can consider downloading this software I would like some hear some slightly more objective reviews. Would anyone be prepared to use wordperfect f

Re: WP 8 problem

1998-12-20 Thread Richard Lyon
Thanks for the info. I think for someone like me in Australia it might be cheaper to order the personal CDROM. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, 20 December 1998 6:38 Subject: Re: WP 8 problem > >My only sugges

Re: WP 8 problem

1998-12-21 Thread Richard Lyon
-Original Message- From: Riccardo Tommasini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, 21 December 1998 15:58 Subject: Re: WP 8 problem >Riccardo Tommasini > >University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept.

Modifying /usr/info/dir (EMACS)

1999-01-08 Thread Richard Lyon
Hi, I have a number of aliens in my system with infomation files stored in /usr/local/info. In theory I can make these files visible to the emacs help by the following procedure: 1. Add the following line to .bashrc export INFOPATH=/usr/info:/usr/local/info 2. Modify /usr/info/dir to

Re: using xfig + latex

1999-01-15 Thread Richard Lyon
> Do you know how to export xfig figures with latex commands and insert them > in latex files? I was unlucky with pictex, eepic and pstex_t. > I think the best and simplest way to export diagrams to latex is to use encapsulated postscript. Regards ...

Re: GCC In-line assembler (Off topic)

1999-01-24 Thread Richard Lyon
> Could someone please tell me how to include in-line assembler routines in > my C programmes and what the procedure is for calling the routines ? > See the extended ASM node in the gcc info file (/usr/info/gcc.info.gz). I assume you installed gcc as a debian package using dselect. You can use e

Re: reading /usr/doc files

1999-01-29 Thread Richard Lyon
You can use emacs and the auto-compression-mode. ie. M-x auto-compression-mode > Is there a tool for reading the oodles of documentation in /usr/doc, or do > I just have to go in there, gunzip, and more? >

Re: Slink CDs available -> Australia

1999-02-05 Thread Richard Lyon
they become available. Regards Richard Lyon.

Re: off topic - Assembler using GCC

1999-02-05 Thread Richard Lyon
> I don't need it, but just out of curiosity, is there a more low-level > interface available? Or would one have to write a kernel module? > > I'm thinking, if you need to do non-standard things with the control lines > (say for a dongle). > In theory it is possible to do things like redirectio

Hard Disk Error Messages

1999-02-08 Thread Richard Lyon
Hi All, Recently when debian is coming up, the following message is displayed: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=65662, sector=65598 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01, sector 65598 EXT2-fs error (device 03:01): e

Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!

1999-02-08 Thread Richard Lyon
> There's not really a solution to that, ever, for an OS distributed on the > Internet. MS distributes boot floppies with their non-upgrade OS products > for the same reason. > > Well, there is one solution.. just convince the BIOS manufacturers to include > PPP code in the BIOS which can dialup a

Re: Installation help required

1998-11-24 Thread Richard Lyon
I think trying to install packages from floppies is pretty desperate. You can pickup the full Debian distribution in Melbourne for less than $20. The bit bar in Fitzroy generally keeps a set in stock. Contact Tyson Dowd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for more details. Regards

Re: 2.0 install troubles

1998-11-24 Thread Richard Lyon
I just installed Debian on a similar hardware setup. Some things you might like to check: Did you download the files over the internet? Are they corrupted? Check sizes with the originals. Have you gone through bios disabling shadow memory? What other hardware is installed in the machine? I ass

Re: What I really like is the way FreeBSD has laid out there port making system.

1998-11-25 Thread Richard Lyon
You would have to examine every source patch to determine if it was really required and if debian patches are required. I use the freebsd ports quite a bit on a bsd machine and I don't really care for a debian version of the same beast. > > I liked it so much, I downloaded the FreeBSD port ma

Re: netscape woes

1998-11-25 Thread Richard Lyon
What's the fuss about? Just download it yourself and install it. Apart from configuration data, all of netscape resides in /usr/local/netscape, so you can upgrade to newer versions easily. The browser works well, maybe even better than IE5. V4.5 may be the last free browser from netscape, so en

Re: xplaycd probs

1998-11-25 Thread Richard Lyon
What problems? If you have detected any 'real' problems its worth submitting a bug report. But it may be worth discussing problems on this list first. How else can we expect software to improve unless the developers get good quality feedback. I recently installed mtools-lite and xplaycd works w

Re: netscape woes

1998-11-27 Thread Richard Lyon
> Not so! Mozilla may not be the wonderful GPL'd program I would like it > to be, but it's still free. > > Unless you consider that Mozilla isn't quite from Netscape... > So what happens when AOL decides not to support Mozilla any further?

Re: Dialout within X

1998-11-29 Thread Richard Lyon
I think you need to be a little more specific. See further comments below: > So I see that I am not the only person to get those libXpm.so.4 problems > with Netscape. And yes, I did install both libc5 and "libc6." > What version did you install? How did you install it (ie. As a debian package,

Re: Netscape - Newbie Linux User

1998-11-30 Thread Richard Lyon
> Alright here is my problem. I have Debian 2.0 installed. I downloaded > [navigator-v45-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar] from ftp6.netscape.com. I > installed it and everything. Now when ever I go to the installed dir > [/usr/local/netscape] and i type ./netscape it gets an error message > [u

Re: Kernel 2.0.34 problems

1998-11-30 Thread Richard Lyon
> We'll find out shortly. I'm FTPing the sources from sunsite. Never did > like the Debian way of doing the Kernel. > GULP This seems a bit drastic, "make zlilo" works for me with 2.0.34. It almost seems like you have not installed all the right development bits. Have you got a copy o

Which package for pkzipped files?

1998-11-30 Thread Richard Lyon
Hello, I have an archive file created on a windows machine with pkzip. Which debian package is most suitable for extracting files from this archive? There is no password protection on the file. Regards ...

Re: Installing Debian 2.0 (Intel) for first time

1998-11-30 Thread Richard Lyon
See comments below: > I am new to Linux & Debian, Also I am not a programmer. I have > tried to install Debian 2.0 (Intel)from CD. I have Win98 on my 4.3GB > hard drive so I cleared 2.4G and managed to create a 200Mg root > partition dev/hda3, a 96MG ((is this much necessary? )swap partition >

Re: Is this really the right thing to do?

1998-11-30 Thread Richard Lyon
> > The developers of dpkg could do something like add a 'package > grouping' > > feature that lets newcomers (especially newbies to X11) understand the > > relationship between packages. > > Do anyone knows what the dpkg developers think about the issue? Is this a documentation issue?

Re: Glossary and Nomenclature generation (LaTeX)

1998-12-04 Thread Richard Lyon
>Please could someone inform me as to the 'standard' way of generating > glossary and nomenclature entries within a latex document > \makeglossary in the preamble \glossary{entry}in the text part works in a similar manner to index.

Re: xfig and meta key

1998-12-06 Thread Richard Lyon
You could setup the mouse so pressing the left+right buttons simultaneously is equivalent to the the middle button. This works OK for me in xfig. (sigh if only there was an xfig port for windows NT) -Original Message- From: Lance Hoffmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Debian-user Date: Su

Re: Latex - let me make clear

1998-12-08 Thread Richard Lyon
Try \begin{tabbing} Type\qquad\= Quality\quad\= Color\quad\=Price\\[0.8ex] Paper \> med \> white \> low\\ Card \> bad \> gray \> med \end{tabbing} Check out the latex documentation for more details.. -Original Message- From: Shao Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian Date: Tuesday, 8

Re: Just My 2 Cents

1998-12-08 Thread Richard Lyon
I guess the 'real' truth is that most of the microsoft stuff is actually quite good. With the latest versions of service paks installed things are very slick on windows NT. I have debian and winnt-workstation running on two machines on my desk. Sure at first glance it appears that linux is faster,

Re: Latex - let me make clear

1998-12-08 Thread Richard Lyon
See comments below: -Original Message- From: Havoc Pennington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Shao Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: debian Date: Tuesday, 8 December 1998 16:46 Subject: Re: Latex - let me make clear > >On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Shao Zhang wrote: >> >> Name: Shao Zhang >> Address: Debian

RE: MS Access and Linux

2000-06-21 Thread Richard Lyon
Hi, Just a further point of interest. If you want connectivity between an MS Access database and a linux application, you don't need samba. There are some quite nice WINNT/WIN98 ODBC socket servers available. The client code is very simple and runs on most operating systems. Your linux client iss

RE: Co-dependency conflict

2000-06-21 Thread Richard Lyon
Hi, Please excuse my extreme ignorance. I am running SLINK and wanted to upgrade to these very packages. At the debian web site I find that they are not listed in stable. I have always assumed that stable is SLINK, frozen is potatoe and so on. Will packages listed in frozen and unstable run on S

RE: Mail/news software

2000-05-01 Thread Richard Lyon
> -Original Message- > From: Phillip Deackes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 11:13 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > > I am very sorry if I offend, but I find emacs/xemacs about the most > off-putting thing in Linux. Show a

RE: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Richard Lyon
> -Original Message- > From: Phillip Deackes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 11:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > I disagree and am continually posting info about an excellent email app > called Is

RE: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Richard Lyon
> -Original Message- > From: Steve Lamb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 10:11 PM > To: Kovacs Istvan > Cc: Debian User List > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > I'll now let people try to prove me wrong but > so far I have not seen a beast which comes close to the u

RE: Wanted a free library for computational geometry

2000-05-17 Thread Richard Lyon
> -Original Message- > From: Daniele Cruciani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 11:00 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Wanted a free library for computational geometry > > Really I don't think i can find it on freshmeat or as a python > library, bu

RE: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)

2000-05-20 Thread Richard Lyon
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom > Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2000 4:00 PM > To: Robert Waldner > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper > Subject: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad > install

RE: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)

2000-05-22 Thread Richard Lyon
> -Original Message- > From: Martin Albert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2000 5:52 PM > To: Karl M. Hegbloom > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad > install prob) > > CrossBrand - BIOS upgrade/referenc

RE: Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob))

2000-05-22 Thread Richard Lyon
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom > Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2000 12:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Robert Waldner; debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper > Subject: Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broke

RE: printers

2000-02-05 Thread Richard Lyon
I have been using an HP Laserjet 6L for 2 years. It does not have ps emulation, but ghostscript works fine. > -Original Message- > From: jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2000 4:23 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject