Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Klaus Singvogel
Marco Moock wrote: > Most new computers don't have an optical disc drive, customers don't > request it and if they want one, they can buy one and add it. I've an optical disc drive with USB connection. I can easily move it to my new / next computer, when I upgrade, and don't need a place in the c

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 17 Jun 2024 at 19:40:30 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 01:20:53PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > > > Time zones are not in effect for users, either; they're in effect for > > > processes [...

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 4:05 AM wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > [...] > > $ date; timedatectl status > > Mon Jun 17 23:51:43 CDT 2024 > > Local time: Tue 2024-06-18 04:51:43 UTC > > Universal time: Tue 2024-06-18 04:51:43

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 17/6/24 21:22, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 06:26:19PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 16/6/24 23:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 06:13:36PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: It was late afternoon on 16Jun2024 that I wrote this. Possibly 18:13:36 when I pr

Re: test sent date details

2024-06-18 Thread keithrbau
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Fwd: test sent date details

2024-06-18 Thread Keith Bainbridge
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Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Jean-François Bachelet
Hello ^^) Le 18/06/2024 à 03:00, Stefan Monnier a écrit : Is there a chance to change in next versions i.e. Debain 13 or other versions an assembly specifically for a USB flash drive as primary download? Do you think the time has come? When do you think this moment will happen? AFAIK, all the

[SUCESS with caution] Re: Corrupt MATE configuration due to OPERATOR ERROR

2024-06-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/17/2024 09:33 AM, Mike Kupfer wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: I created a new, _apparently_ identical, panel. *HOWEVER* it displays something for each item open/active in *ANY* workspace. How do I get back to displaying something for each item open/active in the *CURRENT* workspace? Th

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Marco Moock
Am 18.06.2024 um 10:51:38 Uhr schrieb Joe: > No, no problems booting UEFI from USB stick. I need to do that to get > back to grub every time I boot Windows on my netbook, which isn't very > often. You should be able to change the boot order in the UEFI setup or inside of Windows. -- Gruß Marco

Re: overthewire.org: safe to use?

2024-06-18 Thread Tom Browder
On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 20:08 john doe wrote: > On 6/16/24 19:27, Tom Browder wrote: > > Anyone here have any cautionary advice about using the ssh to war games > on > > their site? > … According to [2], nothing needs to be installed. > Ah, I just noticed the port was specified. Thanks, John D

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 18:26:39 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > I'm back. The kitchen clock says 18:05. the sun has set. I have no reason to > doubt the clock. So I'll answer Greg's questions > > > What does "date" say? Paste the entire output. > $>   date > Tue 18 Jun 2024 18:06:31 AEST > > >

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 23:54:03 -0500, David Wright wrote: > What should I call the timezone of my computer when it's booted up and > no users are logged in? Daemons will almost always use the system's default time zone (the one specified by /etc/localtime or /etc/timezone). It's *theoretically*

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Detlef Vollmann
On 6/18/24 04:10, jeremy ardley wrote: On 18/6/24 09:00, Stefan Monnier wrote: Is there a chance to change in next versions i.e. Debain 13 or other versions an assembly specifically for a USB flash drive as primary download?  Do you think the time has come? When do you think this moment will ha

Instant flush to file

2024-06-18 Thread Jeff Peng
Hi After write to file with bash shell like: echo … > file echo … >> file Is it possible the file get no update instantly? I ask this b/c some commands following echo cannot run well. Such as, echo … >> dove.db doveadm create mailbox from dove.db Sometimes it succeeds. Sometimes it fails.

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> Is there a chance to change in next versions i.e. Debain 13 or other >>> versions an assembly specifically for a USB flash drive as primary >>> download? Do you think the time has come? When do you think this moment >>> will happen? >> AFAIK, all the so-called CD/DVD images work just fine when

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
> And some of the BIOSes of old PCs are not able to boot from USB... Indeed, tho I suspect those machines are 20 years old or more (at least, all my machines that are <20 years old support booting from a USB key drive, while of the two older machines I have (both 21 years old), one of them doesn't

Re: Instant flush to file

2024-06-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 21:17:07 +0800, Jeff Peng wrote: > After write to file with bash shell like: > > echo … > file > echo … >> file > > Is it possible the file get no update instantly? No. Each of those commands opens the file (the first one opens it for write, the second opens it for appen

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread George at Clug
On Tuesday, 18-06-2024 at 09:44 Vitold S wrote: > Good news everyone, > > Sorry that the question may have already been clarified earlier, but I am > not a regular member of the user mailing list, so I ask it again. > > Every time I download the Debian image, I am faced with a moral disorder > an

Re: Instant flush to file

2024-06-18 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 18 Jun 2024 21:17 +0800, from j...@tls-mail.com (Jeff Peng): > I ask this b/c some commands following echo cannot run well. > > Such as, > > echo … >> dove.db > doveadm create mailbox from dove.db > > Sometimes it succeeds. Sometimes it fails. > > If I add a line like this: > > echo … >> do

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, George at Clug wrote: > 1) I use DVD ISO images to create a bootable USB flash drive. Super easy to > do. I do not know how to do this with BD images, so if you do, please let me > know. > # ls -hal /dev/sd* > # cp CentOS-7-x86_64-Everything-2009.iso /dev/sdf As far as Debian amd64 ISOs are c

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread George at Clug
On Wednesday, 19-06-2024 at 00:08 Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > George at Clug wrote: > > 1) I use DVD ISO images to create a bootable USB flash drive. Super easy to > > do. I do not know how to do this with BD images, so if you do, please let me > > know. > > # ls -hal /dev/sd* > > # cp Cent

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, George at Clug wrote: > I have never been able to use .jigdo or understand jigdo, sadly I do not > know how to use them. ISOs I understand. Go by "cd" into a directory where you have enough space to store the ISO and try this: https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#Download_one_or_more_Jigdo_

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 6/17/24 7:44 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: No! Some of us want to keep using DVD and not be pushed away What he said. Might I humbly suggest that this whole thread title is provocative, alarming, and maybe even a little inflamatory? Some of us still prefer physical media, whether in the form

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread John Hasler
JHHL writes: > Some of us still prefer physical media Do you mean read-only media? All media are physical. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Freely owning I have not followed this entire thread, I simply wish to add a couple of points. First, Linux is, or was represented to me, to reflect choices. Those included many paths to incorporating the system, allowing an individual to use the equipment they have right now to draw upon Linu

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 6/18/24 10:01 AM, John Hasler wrote: JHHL writes: Some of us still prefer physical media Do you mean read-only media? All media are physical. No, I mean physical media as opposed to downloads. Application software, I've resigned myself to downloads, although as I said, I am not happy w

Documentation improvement (optical and USB install media)

2024-06-18 Thread Dan Ritter
Nobody is advocating removing the optical disk media options. There are no plans to do so, that I am aware of. Planning to do so would not make sense, since the current build process happily produces images suitable for both optical disks and USB filesystem devices. All the discussion has been

testing, various tmpfs /run directories, df -x tmpfs

2024-06-18 Thread songbird
recent bloat of tmpfs /run/{blah} looks horrible whenever i check the status of my file systems. it would be much better if those all went under just one tmpfs. luckily there is an option for that so i'll alias df with that option included. :) = Filesystem Size Used Avail Use

NVIDIA drivers issue: Bug that keeps presenting on kernel 6.1.0-21

2024-06-18 Thread Daniel Rodriguez
Hello team, by installing NVIDIA drivers as per the guideline of Debian on Debian 12, it shows an error as follows: Building initial module for 6.1.0-21-amd64 > readelf: Error: Not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start > readelf: Error: Not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic b

dictd?

2024-06-18 Thread David Chmelik
How can I add a dictionary (I have dictionary.dict.gz & dictionary.index) to dictd? Apparently doesn't work same as on *BSD UNIX & Slackware GNU/ Linux...

network question

2024-06-18 Thread Jeff Peng
may I ask a network question? when my server is a vps who has floating IP (that means, the server's iP is an internal IP, the public ip is bond on provider's router/firewall devices), then my ssh client connecting to the server will never disconnect even if I changed my local gateway (for exam

dictd

2024-06-18 Thread David Chmelik
How can I add a dictionary (I have dictionary.dict.gz & dictionary.index) to dictd?

disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread David Chmelik
How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I decide as startx/startxfce/etc.

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread Felix Miata
David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > decide as startx/startxfce/etc. # systemctl get-default # reports bootup state # systemctl set-default graphical.target sets GUI as default state # systemctl set-default mult

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > > > How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > > decide as startx/startxfce/etc. > > # systemctl get-default # reports bootup state > # systemctl set-defaul

Re: testing, various tmpfs /run directories, df -x tmpfs

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 19:29:31 (-0400), songbird wrote: > "df -x tmpfs" does the magic and gives me the better view that is > more useful. FWIW I define dfree as: df --output=source,ipcent,fstype,size,used,avail,pcent,target -B 100 -x tmpfs -x devtmpfs -x fuse.portal | sed -E 's/([^ ] )/\

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 10:04:45 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 17 Jun 2024 at 19:40:30 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 01:20:53PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [...] > > > > > Time zones a

RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 04:12:07 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 4:05 AM wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > [...] > > > I notice that man timedatectl says: > > > > > >set-timezone [TIMEZONE] > > >Set the sys

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 07:07:36 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 23:54:03 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > What should I call the timezone of my computer when it's booted up and > > no users are logged in? > > Daemons will almost always use the system's default time zone (the o

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:02:58PM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > > >set-timezone [TIMEZONE] > > >Set the system time zone [...] [...] > > I cringe a bit when I see that. > > See what, exactly? I can see three things, potentially. Especially that bit with the "system t

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread David Chmelik
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > >> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I >> decide as startx/startxfce/etc. > > # systemctl get-default # reports bootup state # systemctl set-default > gra

Re: network question

2024-06-18 Thread Marco Moock
Am Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:14:32 +0800 schrieb Jeff Peng : > when my server is a vps who has floating IP (that means, the server's > iP is an internal IP, the public ip is bond on provider's > router/firewall devices), then my ssh client connecting to the server > will never disconnect even if I chang

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread Felix Miata
David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 04:39 (UTC): > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): >>> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I >>> decide as startx/startxfce/etc. >> # systemctl get-default

Re: dictd?

2024-06-18 Thread Stanislav Vlasov
ср, 19 июн. 2024 г. в 06:53, David Chmelik : > How can I add a dictionary (I have dictionary.dict.gz & dictionary.index) > to dictd? Apparently doesn't work same as on *BSD UNIX & Slackware GNU/ > Linux... man dictd: /usr/share/dictd The default directory for dictd databases

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > > > >> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > >> decide as startx/startxfce/etc. > > >