Re: Stretch with MATE DE - odd new file association problem

2019-04-17 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:53:34AM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > It looks like Synaptic starts with user privileges as a wrapper and > PolicyKit asks for root privileges to spawn actual synaptic process. Ah okay, my mistake. Synaptic is another piece of software I've never really

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
> "R" == Reco writes: R> That's very simplistic point of view. What about Wayland on R> non-x86, like ARM or MIPS (a hint - it does not work there, X R> does)? MIPS (Silicon Graphics), SPARC (Sun)... -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Joe
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:58:34 +1000 Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 17/4/19 12:06 am, Reco wrote: > > They write and distribute free (as in freedom) software. It's > > popular, whenever it's due to the design or in spite of it. > > I happened across this a Wikipedia while clarifying another commen

Re: A few questions (buster and presentation)

2019-04-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2019-04-16 20:19:15) > Quoting Paul Sutton (2019-04-16 19:27:34) > > There are 3 main ways to install packages,  I have tried to explain this > > in the presentation as > > > > Apt - 1.8.0 - command line tool (universal) > > Gnome-packagekit - used for gnome desktop envir

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Gene Heskett writes: > On Tuesday 16 April 2019 13:32:38 Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> Gene Heskett writes: >> > Where the heck in its confusing menu's can I find a tab supporting >> > terminal so I can get something done? Go ahead, find it, my coffee >> > needs to cool anyway.. >> >> You press the ma

Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop

2019-04-17 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Keith Bainbridge writes: > I see the point that people who like gnome should be allowed to use it > - > so withdraw the drop gnome from debian. I believe the change to the > subject line will keep the discussion together. I'll re-send if it > opens a new topic. Why should GNOME not stay the defa

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-16, Matthew Crews wrote: > > On this mailing list, though, I could see a progression from "why is > synaptic removed from Debian Buster?" to "Lets remove Gnome", hence why > I brought it up. You saw an obvious troll post supported by a large party of one and decided to run with it, in

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 17 April 2019 03:17:22 Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Gene Heskett writes: > > On Tuesday 16 April 2019 13:32:38 Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> Gene Heskett writes: > >> > Where the heck in its confusing menu's can I find a tab > >> > supporting terminal so I can get something done? Go ahead

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 17/4/19 9:37 am, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:54:02 +1000 Keith Bainbridge wrote: I've never been a fan of gnome, and I can only say that in the beginning it was simply because I didn't yet know about themes etc. I settled for KDE, in the 1990's. I now know that it was the

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Reco
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 07:11:52AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > "R" == Reco writes: > > R> That's very simplistic point of view. What about Wayland on > R> non-x86, like ARM or MIPS (a hint - it does not work there, X > R> does)? > > MIPS (Silicon Graphics), SPARC (Sun)... A good p

Re: Sudden “operation not permitted”

2019-04-17 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 03:25:39PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > I decided to try a reboot, which cleared the upowerd problem and returned > load to 0 or close to it. But now, network activity is not working. Seems like a coincidence to me. > Any attempt to ping an IP address (eg my

Re: just mail forwarding to smart mailer

2019-04-17 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-16, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > Hi, > >>> > I am looking for an "easy light weight just empty the local queue >>> > and very very very easy thing: https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP >> >> Note that sSMTP does not perform server certificate verification, thus >> allowing, e.g., credential steali

Re: Need help analyzing (kernel?) memory usage and reclaiming RAM (Debian Stretch)

2019-04-17 Thread Martin Schwarz
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 04:39:32PM +0200, Peter Wiersig wrote: >rss RSS resident set size, the non-swapped physical > memory that a task has used (in kiloBytes). > (alias rssize, rsz). > ... >vsz VSZ virtual memory size of th

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 08:39:25PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: If you intend to use guided partitioning on the whole disk, I repeat that LVM is worthless unless you plan to add disks in the future. I'd agree that It's utility is very much diminished by d-i allocating the entire VG with its gu

Re: A few questions (buster and presentation)

2019-04-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/16/2019 12:36 PM, Matthew Crews wrote: On 4/16/19 10:32 AM, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 06:27:34PM +0100, Paul Sutton wrote: There are 3 main ways to install packages,  I have tried to explain this in the presentation as Apt - 1.8.0 - command line tool (universal) Gnome-

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:37:20 +0200 Kevin DAGNEAUX wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've been bedeviled by this question for a while, but have been unable > > to figure out a clean, non-hackish solution. It may be an XY problem ... > > > > I have a system (laptop, running Debian) that is sometimes connec

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread songbird
Gene Heskett wrote: ... > This is still wheezy, because except for firefox, it Just Works. Theres > another 2T drive with the latest stretch installed on it in this machine > and I was in the process of moving my stuff to it with the intention of > updating to Buster when it was declared stable

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Kevin DAGNEAUX
Le 17/04/2019 à 14:15, Celejar a écrit : On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:37:20 +0200 Kevin DAGNEAUX wrote: Hi, I've been bedeviled by this question for a while, but have been unable to figure out a clean, non-hackish solution. It may be an XY problem ... I have a system (laptop, running Debian) that

Remote Access

2019-04-17 Thread Francisco M Neto
Greetings! At work, we have several computers that are located at different locations throughout the country. Some of them are highly inaccessible by usual means, and it requires a certain planning to reach them to have direct access. Therefore, we have been using TeamViewer software to ac

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Joe
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:15:09 -0400 Celejar wrote: > Currently, my LAN is 192.168.0.0/24, which is also the addressing > scheme of some of the networks out of my control that I'm setting up a > VPN link from. I deliberately used 10.0.0.0/24 for the VPN to avoid > address collisions with these oth

Re: Remote Access

2019-04-17 Thread Kevin DAGNEAUX
Le 17/04/2019 à 15:35, Francisco M Neto a écrit : Greetings! At work, we have several computers that are located at different locations throughout the country. Some of them are highly inaccessible by usual means, and it requires a certain planning to reach them to have direct access. Th

RESOLVED: Sudden “operation not permitted”

2019-04-17 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:17:04AM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 03:25:39PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > I decided to try a reboot, which cleared the upowerd problem and returned > > load to 0 or close to it. But now, network activity is not working. > > Seems like

Re: Remote Access

2019-04-17 Thread Dan Ritter
Francisco M Neto wrote: > Greetings! > > At work, we have several computers that are located at different > locations throughout the country. Some of them are highly inaccessible by > usual > means, and it requires a certain planning to reach them to have direct access. > Therefore, we hav

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread 황병희
> So, I am asking that gnome be dropped as an installation option (not FYI; Ubuntu 18.04 use GNOME as default desktop. Ah yes i'm fan of GNOME. Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea. -- ^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Remote Access

2019-04-17 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 17.04.2019 18:35, Francisco M Neto wrote: > Greetings! > > At work, we have several computers that are located at different > locations throughout the country. Some of them are highly inaccessible by > usual > means, and it requires a certain planning to reach them to have direct access.

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:29:50 +0200 Kevin DAGNEAUX wrote: > > Le 17/04/2019 à 14:15, Celejar a écrit : > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:37:20 +0200 > > Kevin DAGNEAUX wrote: > > > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I've been bedeviled by this question for a while, but have been unable > >>> to figure out a clean, no

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 14:59:53 +0100 Joe wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 08:15:09 -0400 > Celejar wrote: > > > > Currently, my LAN is 192.168.0.0/24, which is also the addressing > > scheme of some of the networks out of my control that I'm setting up a > > VPN link from. I deliberately used 10.0.0

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 11:13 AM 황병희 wrote: > > So, I am asking that gnome be dropped as an installation option (not > > FYI; Ubuntu 18.04 use GNOME as default desktop. Ah yes i'm fan of GNOME. > Only if it's called "Ubuntu". One of my Machines runs Xubuntu, with XFCE. And there are quite a var

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:57:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: Thanks. When I first set up the VPN, I did some reading about this, and I was rather shocked to see that there was no definitive solution to avoid address collisions Sure there is--globally unique IPs.

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:10:56 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:57:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > >Thanks. When I first set up the VPN, I did some reading about this, and > >I was rather shocked to see that there was no definitive solution to > >avoid address collisions > > Su

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:38:11PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:10:56 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:57:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: >Thanks. When I first set up the VPN, I did some reading about this, and >I was rather shocked to see that there was no defi

Re: Remote Access

2019-04-17 Thread Francisco M Neto
Hello! Thanks for all the replies; indeed the first option I found when searching for alternatives was AnyDesk; however it falls under the same scope as TeamViewer, of limiting free usage (as in "free beer") for "personal usage" while charging for "commercial" use. As much as I do

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Richard Hector
On 18/04/19 12:15 AM, Celejar wrote: > Currently, my LAN is 192.168.0.0/24, which is also the addressing > scheme of some of the networks out of my control that I'm setting up a > VPN link from. I deliberately used 10.0.0.0/24 for the VPN to avoid > address collisions with these other networks. It

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 04:49:56 +1200 Richard Hector wrote: > On 18/04/19 12:15 AM, Celejar wrote: > > Currently, my LAN is 192.168.0.0/24, which is also the addressing > > scheme of some of the networks out of my control that I'm setting up a > > VPN link from. I deliberately used 10.0.0.0/24 for t

Re: is xdvi broken?

2019-04-17 Thread Kushal Kumaran
rlhar...@oplink.net writes: > > > A month ago I was using latexmk with the same options on this machine. > I seem to recall an occasional jump back to the xdvi window, but not > the constant jumping back I was seeing today. So I think that the new > Cherry keyboard must be the culprit. You may

Re: is xdvi broken?

2019-04-17 Thread rlharris
On 2019.04.17 12:38, Kushal Kumaran wrote: You may be able to configure your window manager to disallow certain kinds of windows from stealing focus. I had forgotten about the concept of focus; I thank you for reminding me, and for pointing me to the window manager. So many things in Debian

Re: Sudden “operation not permitted”

2019-04-17 Thread David Christensen
On 4/16/19 11:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote: (Apologies if this mail comes through poorly formatted for the list; my main machine is unavailable due to this problem and I’m writing on an iPad...) Running Stretch on a circa-2009 self-built machine which has run happily without serious issues since i

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 01:32:38 PM Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > You press the magic Super key, What is the magic Super key, and / or how do I find it on a typical 104 (or similar) key keyboard? > then type "Terminal" on the keyboard (or > at least the beginning), then press Enter. GNOME feel

[OT] IP address collisions (was: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types)

2019-04-17 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 17/04/2019 à 18:42, Michael Stone a écrit : On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:38:11PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:10:56 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:57:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: >I was rather shocked to see that there was no definitive solution to >avoi

Re: [OT] IP address collisions (was: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types)

2019-04-17 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-17, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 17/04/2019 à 18:42, Michael Stone a écrit : >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:38:11PM -0400, Celejar wrote: >>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:10:56 -0400 Michael Stone >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:57:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: >I was rather

Re: Sudden “operation not permitted”

2019-04-17 Thread Marc Auslander
David Christensen writes: >On 4/16/19 11:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote: >> (Apologies if this mail comes through poorly formatted for the list; my >> main machine is unavailable due to this problem and I’m writing on an >> iPad...) >> >> Running Stretch on a circa-2009 self-built machine which has r

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 4/16/19 11:32 PM, Keith Bainbridge wrote: I tried java about 15 years ago, and failed miserably. Perhaps a bad choice, but what the Uni course I was trying to get into required. I can write a script and alias's in .bashrc, the odd macro in Calc. I keep telling my friends it's never too late

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:42:06 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:38:11PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > >On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:10:56 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:57:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > >> >Thanks. When I first set up the VPN, I did some re

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:11:43PM -0400, Celejar wrote: In other words, with IPv4, there's no *practical* solution, since a typical end user isn't going to get arbitrary numbers of IP addresses. So use IPv6.

Re: Sudden “operation not permitted”

2019-04-17 Thread David Christensen
On 4/17/19 1:19 PM, Marc Auslander wrote: David Christensen writes: On 4/16/19 11:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote: (Apologies if this mail comes through poorly formatted for the list; my main machine is unavailable due to this problem and I’m writing on an iPad...) Running Stretch on a circa-2009

Re: Accessing a host with variable IP addresses / connection types

2019-04-17 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:41:46 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:11:43PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > >In other words, with IPv4, there's no *practical* solution, since a > >typical end user isn't going to get arbitrary numbers of IP addresses. > > So use IPv6. You make it sound

Re: A call to drop gnome

2019-04-17 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 18/4/19 5:11 am, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: What is the magic Super key, and / or how do I find it on a typical 104 (or similar) key keyboard? It is another 'shift' key, like ctrl, alt. Generally near the left set of these. My laptop also has a fn key here. It can be set to act on its ow

Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop

2019-04-17 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 17/4/19 5:26 pm, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Keith Bainbridge writes: I see the point that people who like gnome should be allowed to use it - so withdraw the drop gnome from debian. I believe the change to the subject line will keep the discussion together. I'll re-send if it opens a new topic.