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On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 07:04:36PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 27 August 2018 12:28:35 Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:37:48AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > [...] NNTP is a huge
> > > bandwidth hog regardless of how mu
On 2018-08-28 07:24, local10 wrote:
> Aug 27, 2018, 6:00 PM by cyaiple...@sitesplace.net:
>
>> I had that happen not too long ago in Stretch. I just rebooted and it was OK.
>>
> A reboot didn't do it for me, the issue still persist.
>
>
>> You may want to also check your settings in Display - Co
On 27/08/2018 21:13, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:28:35PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:37:48AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> That bandwidth limit is not on your side of the isp, its the bandwidth
>>> from the main trunk lines to the isp. NNTP is a
On 28/08/2018 00:04, Gene Heskett wrote:
> My knowledge is based on a conversation I had with my then isp in about
> 1993 or so, so its entirely possible that the protocol has been changed
> since then. What they had then struck me as very very wastefull of
> resources. Because I was such a PITA
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:39:43AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
No. I guess the thing is that *because* NNTP was comparatively efficient,
it was used for the "big stuff" (alt.pic.* anyone?). The point is that,
to reap the benefits of its efficiency, a provider has to set up an
NNTP server and d
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
You appear to be conflating the NNTP protocol with Usenet, the global message
transmission network. They are different things. Usenet as we currently know it
relies on NNTP but NNTP is not Usenet.
Whilst I agree that it is true that I
On Tue, 2018-08-28 at 09:15 +0300, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 03:57:42PM +1000, Gary Hodder wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > In midnight commander if I go to the / directory mc freezes.
> > This also happens in leafpad the cursor just stays spinning and
> > nothing
> > happens.
> >
Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:28:35PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
>>On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:37:48AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> That bandwidth limit is not on your side of the isp, its the bandwidth
>>> from the main trunk lines to the isp. NNTP is a huge bandwidth hog
>>
On 28/08/2018 12:10, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:39:43AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> No. I guess the thing is that *because* NNTP was comparatively
>> efficient,
>> it was used for the "big stuff" (alt.pic.* anyone?). The point is that,
>> to reap the benefits of its eff
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 01:16:45PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
NNTP was inefficient in this regard compared to what other protocol or
protocols, exactly?
FTP and later HTTP, which handled binaries efficiently. In fact, one was
even named in a way to suggest it was a good way to transfer files.
On 28/08/2018 12:42, Michael Stone wrote:
> Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't
> designed with mechanisms to account for the cost of a transaction.
> (This is true of all the early internet protocols, not just NNTP,
> which is why we have, e.g., such a spam problem on SM
On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 12:38:42 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm having trouble installing/removing sendmail in Debian Sid (well,
> aptosid -- http://www.aptosid.com -- actually).
Perhaps their forums might help.
> I tried to install and it failed: https://pastebin.com/Qu2jRqsn
Firstly, thanks for the reply!
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:04 AM David Wright
wrote:
> On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 12:38:42 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm having trouble installing/removing sendmail in Debian Sid (well,
> > aptosid -- http://www.aptosid.com -- actually).
>
> P
On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 21:36:30 (+0300), Martin T wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> > You need to post your evidence, starting with your /etc/network/interfaces
> > file. You say you're using ifup, so we can perhaps discount this paragraph:
> >
> >Currently, "source-directory" isn't supported by
> >
On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:14:36 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote:
> # apt remove sendemail
Oops.
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Package 'sendemail' is not installed, so not removed
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not
On Tuesday 28 August 2018 09:03:05 Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 28/08/2018 12:42, Michael Stone wrote:
> > Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't
> > designed with mechanisms to account for the cost of a transaction.
> > (This is true of all the early internet protocols, not ju
Thanks for the reply again.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:41 AM David Wright
wrote:
> On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:14:36 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote:
>
> > # apt remove sendemail
>
> Oops.
>
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > Package
Aug 28, 2018, 3:40 AM by hdv.ja...@gmail.com:
> See the tread with the title "lots of issues with KDE after update" starting
> at
> the 27th. Hans Ulrich and I are experiencing the same type of trouble in
> testing
> at the moment.
>
Thanks for confirming it.
On 28/08/2018 13:55, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 01:16:45PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>> NNTP was inefficient in this regard compared to what other protocol or
>> protocols, exactly?
>
> FTP and later HTTP, which handled binaries efficiently. In fact, one
> was even named in a w
On 28/08/2018 13:16, Mark Rousell wrote:
>
> Footnote:-
> 1: A more recent example of a very similar skewed and confused view of
> things is the Casio F-91 watch. Certain elements of US intelligence
> had noticed that many terrorist suspects arrested in Iraq were wearing
> the Casio F-91W watch mod
On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:48:06 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote:
> # dpkg -P sendmail-base
> (Reading database ... 1562548 files and directories currently installed.)
> Removing sendmail-base (8.15.2-11) ...
> update-inetd: error: --group is only relevant with --add
> dpkg: error processing package sen
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:03:05PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
Isn't this true of, say, HTTP too?
Not in the same way, because you have a sender and a receiver, without
the potentially infinite number of other machines that might be getting
a copy of the content just in case someone might want
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:16:06AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:03:05PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> >Isn't this true of, say, HTTP too?
>
> Not in the same way, because you have a sender and a receiver,
> without the poten
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:52:36PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
Except for perhaps hacked servers in some cases, FTP never did have much of a
part to play in binaries distribution from what I could see.
I guess you didn't use debian? Or are we only talking about the illegal
content that I though
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 August 2018 09:03:05 Mark Rousell wrote:
>
>> On 28/08/2018 12:42, Michael Stone wrote:
>> > Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't
>> > designed with mechanisms to account for the cost of a transaction.
>> > (This is true of all the early
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:22:56PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:16:06AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:03:05PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>Isn't this true of, say, HTTP too?
Not in the same way, because you have a sender and a receiver,
witho
Thanks once more for the support! The problem is now solved.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:20 AM David Wright
wrote:
> On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:48:06 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote:
>
> > # dpkg -P sendmail-base
> > (Reading database ... 1562548 files and directories currently installed.)
> > Removin
On 8/28/18, Luis Finotti wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:41 AM David Wright
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:14:36 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote:
>> > # apt remove sendemail
>>
>> Oops.
>>
>> > Reading package lists... Done
>> > Building dependency tree
>> > Reading state information... Do
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:32:30AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:22:56PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> >To be fair, this only applies to the brave (pre CDN) old world :)
>
> No, it applies just as much to CDNs--ev
On 28/08/2018 15:16, Michael Stone wrote:
>
>> As with your other comments about Usenet, this is not an issue for a
>> non-publicly federated system. I.e. The problem that affected Usenet
>> (the
>> ultimate in publicly federated systems) in this context does not
>> affect NNTP in
>> general for di
On 28/08/2018 14:52, Mark Rousell wrote:
> Additionally, both FTP and HTTP are not federated, many-to-many
> services or systems. I say again that Usenet was unique in this
> timeframe for the use case of public access, one-to-many, binary
> distribution.
The above is not complete. I meant to writ
On 28/08/2018 15:27, Michael Stone wrote:
> I will not bother to reply to the rest of the long discussion of
> usenet, since I don't want to be accused (again) of "incorrectly"
> talking about usenet instead of NNTP by someone who wrote a long
> message about usenet.
Note that I could not refute y
On 28/08/2018 15:27, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:52:36PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>> Except for perhaps hacked servers in some cases, FTP never did have
>> much of a
>> part to play in binaries distribution from what I could see.
>
> I guess you didn't use debian? Or are we
Ciao,
As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you:
which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists?
I mean, somethihng that has a good Imap server, good enough to be
accessed by a MUA like Thunderbird without issues, and good spam filter
which won'
On 28/08/2018 17:12, Francesco Porro wrote:
> Ciao,
>
> As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you:
> which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists?
I cannot personally recommend any free, proprietary email service providers.
Instead I'd say tha
Francesco Porro wrote:
> As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you:
> which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists?
Mark writes:
> I cannot personally recommend any free, proprietary email service
> providers.
I can personally recommend a paid
Il 28/08/2018 18:25, Mark Rousell ha scritto:
> Instead I'd say that running your own mail server would be best for this
Sorry, I forgot to mention that I dont't want to run a mail server by
myself.
Il 28/08/2018 18:39, John Hasler ha scritto:
> I can personally recommend a paid email service: ne
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:50:27PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
Additionally, both FTP and HTTP were not and are not federated, one-to-many
services or systems in the way that Usenet was
I guess this is where I say "But why would you expect it to be?" and
ignore the rest of the argument.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 05:02:08PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
Lots of people download files from FTP servers but that's a wholly different
culture and use case than Usenet provided for in practice. And who said that
binaries (whether legal or illegal) was not a big part of Usenet at its height?
On Tuesday 28 August 2018 10:22:34 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 28 August 2018 09:03:05 Mark Rousell wrote:
> >> On 28/08/2018 12:42, Michael Stone wrote:
> >> > Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't
> >> > designed with mechanisms to account for
I would suggest looking for somebody who runs Sympa.
Open source, well supported, more "industrial strength" than Mailman
(designed for universities, supporting lots of lists).
I've been running it on our servers, for at least a decade (who's
counting) - it's rock solid, well supported by bot
On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 19:21:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 27 August 2018 15:59:09 David Wright wrote:
> > On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 14:24:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 26 August 2018 13:36:41 Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> > > > Le 26/08/2018 à 17:24, Gene Heskett a écrit :
>
On 8/28/18 1:48 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 05:02:08PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
Lots of people download files from FTP servers but that's a wholly
different
culture and use case than Usenet provided for in practice. And who
said that
binaries (whether legal or illegal) w
On 8/28/18 1:44 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:50:27PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
Additionally, both FTP and HTTP were not and are not federated,
one-to-many
services or systems in the way that Usenet was
I guess this is where I say "But why would you expect it to be?"
On 28/08/2018 18:48, Michael Stone wrote:
> I guarantee that for large files FTP is more efficient, and that when
> one person is sending a file to a small number of other peopl, FTP is
> dramatically more efficient.
I am sure. But it still doesn't make FTP meaningfully comparable to
Usenet or NNT
On 28/08/2018 19:23, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 8/28/18 1:48 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 05:02:08PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>> Lots of people download files from FTP servers but that's a wholly
>>> different
>>> culture and use case than Usenet provided for in practice
On 28/08/2018 19:08, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I would suggest looking for somebody who runs Sympa.
>
> Open source, well supported, more "industrial strength" than Mailman
> (designed for universities, supporting lots of lists).
>
> I've been running it on our servers, for at least a decade (who's
>
On 28/08/2018 19:33, Mark Rousell wrote:
> And ISPs' historical problems Usenet's massive bandwidth due to
> binaries does not change the fact that NNTP is very good for message
> distribution.
Missing "with" in the above.
--
Mark Rousell
On Tuesday 28 August 2018 14:16:15 David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 19:21:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 27 August 2018 15:59:09 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 14:24:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 26 August 2018 13:36:41 Pascal Hambourg
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:46:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
web forums, app-based, IM-style, etc.) but none of that, to my mind, lessens
NNTP's ideal applicability to getting private discussion group messages from
place to place (the front end UI/UX being a different thing again).
Ignoring th
On 8/28/18, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 August 2018 14:16:15 David Wright wrote:
>
>> On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 19:21:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Monday 27 August 2018 15:59:09 David Wright wrote:
>> > > On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 14:24:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday
On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 14:57:58 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 August 2018 14:16:15 David Wright wrote:
>
> > On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 19:21:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Monday 27 August 2018 15:59:09 David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 14:24:23 (-0400), Gene He
> peter writes:
> Can anyone recommend a SIP registrar for general use
(I presume you mean ones which are free and thus do not offer
psnt access.)
I had this list, but have not recently confirmed they are working:
ekiga.net
ostel.co
sip2sip.info (proxy.sipthor.net)
sip.iptel.org
sip.linph
Am Dienstag, 28. August 2018 schrieb Francesco Porro:
> Ciao,
>
> As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you:
> which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists?
>
> I mean, somethihng that has a good Imap server, good enough to be
> accessed by a MU
As a totally theoretical aside, it should be noted that NNTP is a peer
to peer protocol. At one time news servers and spools were so
heavyweight that they required a VAX (leading to the client-server model
of news that is the only way most people think it can work), but by
modern standards the ser
On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 22:23:46 +0200
Stefan Krusche wrote:
Hello Stefan,
>have to log in via their website interface to free them out of the spam
>folder to be able to download them with my precious email client. I've
Is it not possible to whitelist the addresses?
>recently started to think this
Hi.
During a recent update to xorg 1:7.7+19 my graphical environment stopped
initializing on reboot.
sudo systemctl isolate graphical.target
fails to initialize the graphics card with these messages:
[ 340.372] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA GPU at
PCI:5:0:0. Please
[ 34
I was going to say that you and I have started going round in circles
and should just agree to disagree about certain things but this is a
different strand of the discussion that still seems to be advancing.
On 28/08/2018 20:01, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:46:15PM +0100, Mark
Hey guys, I'm trying to setup isc-dhcp-server/tftpd-hpa for PXE UEFI
netboot installs. I have a working config for bios PXE installs, but
am trying to convert it over to allow for UEFI installs aswell.
Currently, I can PXE boot UEFI clients, but end up with a bare grub
prompt. I'm just not s
Am Dienstag, 28. August 2018 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 22:23:46 +0200
> Stefan Krusche wrote:
> >have to log in via their website interface to free them out of the spam
> >folder to be able to download them with my precious email client. I've
>
> Is it not possible to whitelist t
On Tue, 2018-08-28 at 21:33 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 22:23:46 +0200
> Stefan Krusche wrote:
>
> Hello Stefan,
>
> > have to log in via their website interface to free them out of the
> > spam
> > folder to be able to download them with my precious email client.
> > I've
>
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:24:51PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
If you have a bunch of users on remote SMTP and NNTP servers then it's
always a wash. (MUAs don't typically download the entire message body
unless asked to, just as news readers don't typically download the entire
message
Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2018 schrieb Dominic Knight:
> > > have to log in via their website interface to free them out of the
> > > spam
> > > folder to be able to download them with my precious email client.
> > > I've
>
> That's the fault of your email client or methodology, rather than GMX.
> Mi
On 28/08/2018 23:25, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:24:51PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>If you have a bunch of users on remote SMTP and NNTP servers then
>> it's
>>always a wash. (MUAs don't typically download the entire message body
>>unless asked to, just as news r
Francesco Porro writes:
> Sorry, I forgot to mention that I dont't want to run a mail server by
> myself.
>
> Only *free* mail services, please.
In that case, I recommend against all such services.
The cost of running a mail server that anyone can join for no fee,
practically requires that the
On 8/28/18 5:24 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
I was going to say that you and I have started going round in circles
and should just agree to disagree about certain things but this is a
different strand of the discussion that still seems to be advancing.
On 28/08/2018 20:01, Michael Stone wrote:
On
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:18:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
I have at no stage advocated a "generic architecture of NNTP transit servers".
I have at no stage advocated any NNTP servers being "open to arbitrary groups",
other than those created by group owners.
[snip long list of other things
Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:18:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> [...]
> FWIW, I think SMTP (and IMAP) is on its way out as well.
What would SMTP get replaced with? I mean, email is still kind of a big
thing (at least in business).
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For some reason presently unknown to me, XFCE4's xfdesktop-settings
app no longer shows thumbnails, and the Folder -> Other dialog box
shows all files and images as disabled and not selectable.
Ideas?
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 04:12:51PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> For some reason presently unknown to me, XFCE4's xfdesktop-settings
> app no longer shows thumbnails, and the Folder -> Other dialog box
> shows all files and images as disabled and not selectable.
>
> Ideas?
This is possibly rela
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