Re: Synaptic slow when Caribou is running after Gnome-shell update

2014-10-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.10.2014 um 19:01 schrieb Luca Perico: > Hi > After 3,14 gnome shell update (i use debian jessie) i have see synaptic > p.m, very slow to show the package list at startup and also when i change > the package list (i.e "all" to "removable" even with a short package list). > If i stop Caribou S

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 oct 14, 14:24:32, Steve Litt wrote: > > Because it can run in the foreground, it's a prime candidate for > daemontools (or one of the daemontools-inspired programs like nosh, > etc). $ apt-cache show nosh E: No packages found > So if you don't like brand new top level directories, igno

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
2014/10/12 23:07 "Andrei POPESCU" : > > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 21:40:49, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > From my viewpoint, shellscripts were never intended to be big, huge > > programs. To me, they just glue together commands, and have a few > > rudimentary branching and looping constructs. > > Isn't that li

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread songbird
just as a general comment, ufw is workable almost out of the box, it has a gui interface gufw. a while ago i used the arno-iptables- firewall script as that also did what i needed to have done. my problem is that i tend to not do much with things once they are set up and working so whatever

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
2014/10/13 2:14 "Andrei POPESCU" : > > On Du, 12 oct 14, 10:30:52, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 10/12/2014 at 10:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > Any program that requires additional scripting just to get it running > > > is insufficiently advanced. > > > > > > (you can quote me on that) > > >

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 oct 14, 18:47:09, lee wrote: > Andrei POPESCU writes: > > > On Mi, 08 oct 14, 16:01:37, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> > >> The tech-ctte exploration was extremely thorough, entirely transparent and > >> I > > > > In addition, the tech-ctte took special precautions to make sure their >

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Bas Wijnen writes: > [Moving this to -project, where it belongs; please follow up only > there, not on -user or -devel.] > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 06:18:01PM +0200, lee wrote: >> Why doesn't Debian just do a GR on this issue? > > Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it nee

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
2014/10/13 2:45 "Steve Litt" : > > On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:33:43 +0100 > Martin Read wrote: > > > On 12/10/14 04:12, Peter Zoeller wrote: > > > But the nice > > > thing is shell scripting is simplistic easy to learn and understand. > > > > I refer the audience to David A. Wheeler's essay[1] on how

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Marty
On 10/08/2014 09:36 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 10/08/2014 at 09:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:16:25 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: I was specifically asking about a reference for "Thorsten Glaser was ordered not to bring up alternate inits...". I'll restate the URL I gave in

Re: Synaptic slow when Caribou is running after Gnome-shell update

2014-10-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 13.10.2014 um 00:21 schrieb Michael Biebl: > Am 12.10.2014 um 19:01 schrieb Luca Perico: >> Hi >> After 3,14 gnome shell update (i use debian jessie) i have see synaptic >> p.m, very slow to show the package list at startup and also when i change >> the package list (i.e "all" to "removable" ev

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:28 PM, lee wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > >> A) Tell everyone it's a moderated list >> B) Send the poster a short reason why his post has been moderated. > > It would be against RFC-821 to silently drop messages. That's why RFCs aren't/shouldn't be consider hard standar

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:04 AM, lee wrote: > Bas Wijnen writes: > >> [Moving this to -project, where it belongs; please follow up only >> there, not on -user or -devel.] Uhm, might I ask, ${what}-project ? Oh. https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/10/ Is that going to be appreciated?

MTAs denying messages (was: Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Joel Rees writes: > (But in this case, absolutely requiring a response would be building a > DOS and potential privacy vulnerability into the message > infrastructure. The RFCs really should be stored with a summary of > relevant comments.) Could you explain how an MTA would create a privacy vul

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Martin Read wrote: > On 12/10/14 01:43, lee wrote: >> >> Reco writes: >> >>> >>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/dbus-manager.c?id=3731acf1acfb4a6eb68374a5b137f3b368f63381#n638 >> >> >> Ah, this is a wonderful example :) My assumptions a

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/12/2014 10:18 AM, lee wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > >> On 10/8/2014 8:42 PM, lee wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle writes: >>> On 10/6/2014 7:30 PM, lee wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > >> For instance, MUAs typically connect on port 587 (at least that is the >> recommendat

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/12/2014 1:37 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 15:56:05 +0200, lee wrote: > >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> If you don't know the difference between an MTA and an MUA, there is no >>> way I can help you. >> >> I'm not asking what the difference is but what difference it makes when >>

Re: MTAs denying messages (was: Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:24 AM, lee wrote: > Joel Rees writes: > >> (But in this case, absolutely requiring a response would be building a >> DOS and potential privacy vulnerability into the message >> infrastructure. The RFCs really should be stored with a summary of >> relevant comments.) > >

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/12/2014 2:11 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 18:45:42 +0200, lee wrote: > >> Martin Read writes: >> >>> On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote: And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him that their message hasn't been delivered? >>> >>> The requirement in

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jonathan Dowland writes: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: >> > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? > snip >> Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the >> format is the same on all of mine. So still should stand as something

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: >> On 10/12/2014 9:56 AM, lee wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> If you don't know the difference between an MTA and an MUA, there is no >>> way I can help you. >> >> I'm not asking what the difference is but what difference it makes when >> this setting is involved.

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records. Anti-spam routines Who prevents a MUA from having an MX record and sending a HELO that matches the RDNS entry? And what are these "other things" you're referring to? -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemon

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam writes: > Martin Read writes: > >> On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote: >>> Harry Putnam writes: >>> Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? >>> >>> Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. >> >> Reading RFC 2821 would be even better, since RFC 821 is obsoleted by >

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam writes: > lee writes: > > [...] > > Thanks for the tips. > >>> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd > >> That's an invalid helo string. > > Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2821#section-4.1.1.1 It says to either use the fqdn or, if not possible, an IP

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/12/2014 10:24 PM, lee wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > >> Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records. Anti-spam routines > > Who prevents a MUA from having an MX record and sending a HELO that > matches the RDNS entry? And what are these "other things" you're > referring to? >

Re: Problem with external monitor

2014-10-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 10/10/2014, Bret Busby wrote: > This will probably show as a new thread, due to me correcting a > spelling error in the Subject field of the message. > > On 08/10/2014, Joe wrote: >> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:23:55 +0800 >> Bret Busby wrote: >> >>> Hello. >>> >>> I have a 23" monitor, that I want

Re: Prolem with external monitor

2014-10-12 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/10/2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 23:09:20, Bret Busby wrote: >> > >> > Definitely, I'm using my TV as external monitor sometimes. Could you >> > please attach your Xorg.0.log? Inlining works as well if you take care >> > not to break long lines. >> >> What is the path to th

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:53:03AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > 2014/10/13 2:14 "Andrei POPESCU" : > > > > On Du, 12 oct 14, 10:30:52, The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 10/12/2014 at 10:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > > Any program that requires additional scripting just to get it running > > > >

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:53:03AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: >> 2014/10/13 2:14 "Andrei POPESCU" : >> > >> > On Du, 12 oct 14, 10:30:52, The Wanderer wrote: >> > > On 10/12/2014 at 10:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> > > >> > > > Any program t

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:05:14PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > Among other things, legitimate MTAs have MX records. Not necessarily. In the absence of an MX record an A record is perfectly legitimate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 02:53:37 +0200 lee wrote: > Reco writes: > > > 3) User Alice goes away, but keeps her session in place, locking the > > screen. > > > > 4) User Bob logs in another X session. > > How does Bob log in while the screen is locked? Either by selecting 'Switch session' in

Re: How to do this ?

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:40:44PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > The mount unit requires the device to mount. How to do this with a luks > disk ? And how to mount hen, with the password entered in the ssh > session and not on the console ? It would be something like 'sudo systemctl start my-mount-se

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