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Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/10/14 04:12, Peter Zoeller wrote: But the nice thing is shell scripting is simplistic easy to learn and understand. I refer the audience to David A. Wheeler's essay[1] on how to handle filenames correctly in shell scripts, and to the bug report that he filed against POSIX.1-2008[2] on t

Re: Nvidia No GLX to using OpenGL...

2014-10-12 Thread Floris
Op Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:21:16 +0200 schreef Gábor Hársfalvi : Thanks for the help! apt-show-versions | grep nvidia libgl1-nvidia-alternatives/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2 libglx-nvidia-alternatives/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2 nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486/squeeze uptodate 195.3

Re: Nvidia No GLX to using OpenGL...

2014-10-12 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi
Many thanks for helping! I solved with reinstalling drivers with: "Reboot into Single User mode. # aptitude update # aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-xconfig # m-a prepare # m-a a-i nvidia # aptitude install nvidia-glx # nvid

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees
Hmm. Let's comment that for people newer to scripting than I am. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > [...] > Daemontools runscripts are incredibly simple shellscripts, that I'm > sure you could write no sweat except in very wierd edge cases. Here's > my run script for my home-gro

implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Andrei Popescu: Why should I write a script? I'm not a programmer. I can write a (simple) shellscript, but I wouldn't dare write an initscript or even a daemontools runscript. You have an incorrect mental model of the relative difficulty of the tasks. A run program for a daemontools-family se

implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Andrei Popescu: I recently needed something to run imapfilter and restart it in case it might exit, so I had a look at daemontools. I gave up quickly [...] And here's how one can do it with the nosh package (http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh.html). I took a

implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Steve Litt: ### RUN THE DAEMON ### exec envuidgid slitt envdir ./env setuidgid slitt \ /d/at/python/littcron/littcron.py \ /d/at/python/littcron/crontab Joel Rees: man exec for clues to that, understand that littcron.py is Steve's special cron (right, Steve?), and that he is setting u

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 oct 14, 01:41:34, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:02:01 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 23:20:34, Reco wrote: > > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:47:36 +0300 > > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > > At least with systemd if you fix a bug it will benefit

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 17:41:28, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:28:31 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Really? How do you write an initscript that restarts your daemon > > automatically in case it fails for some reason? > > > > Also, imapfilter doesn't write a pidfile at all, so I'

x-terminal-emulator options not working

2014-10-12 Thread Patrick
I have tried several documented options to x-terminal-emulator, and I find that they have absolutely no effect. For example: x-terminal-emulator --geometry 80x72 x-terminal-emulator --title=WHY x-terminal-emulator --working-directory=/home/patrick/project I even tried a deliberately invali

[SOLVED] x-terminal-emulator options not working

2014-10-12 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
I wrote: > I have tried several documented options to x-terminal-emulator, and I > find that they have absolutely no effect. For example: > > x-terminal-emulator --geometry 80x72 > x-terminal-emulator --title=WHY OK, I solved the problem. Here's how I figured it out: patrick@laptop:~$ whi

Network fails on headless system. I'm stuck!

2014-10-12 Thread JPT
Hi, I have an ARM hardware (ReadyNAS rn104) running debian jessie (testing). kernel is selfbuilt 3.16.3 Since a few days the system fails to boot. Serial console breaks at a point where it is fiddling with disks and network. Networking is not yet up. So I don't have any way to access the headless

react on power button press

2014-10-12 Thread JPT
Hi, I just wrote to the list because of a problem with the network. The only way left to shutdown the system is pressing the power button. But this doesn't work either: Oct 11 13:24:24 NAS kernel: [ 5309.790075] evbug: Event. Dev: input0, Type: 1, Code: 116, Value: 1 Oct 11 13:24:24 NAS kernel:

Re: x-terminal-emulator options not working

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 oct 14, 08:15:08, Patrick wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea why x-terminal-emulator is behaving so badly > for me, and how I can fix it? We'd need to know which terminal emulator is providing it, so please post the output of update-altenatives --display x-terminal-emulator Kin

Re: Network fails on headless system. I'm stuck!

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 oct 14, 14:42:52, JPT wrote: > Hi, > > I have an ARM hardware (ReadyNAS rn104) running debian jessie (testing). > kernel is selfbuilt 3.16.3 ... > I suspect an update in the networking scripts or systemd. See if your kernel includes all the needed options for systemd /usr/share/doc/sy

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 11 oct 14, 21:40:49, Steve Litt wrote: > > From my viewpoint, shellscripts were never intended to be big, huge > programs. To me, they just glue together commands, and have a few > rudimentary branching and looping constructs. Isn't that like buying IKEA furniture, but when you get home yo

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 11 October 2014 21:27:56 Peter Zoeller wrote: > Hi: > I might be able to help here as well. I have some teaching notes > somewhere when I taught system security at my college. Thanks!! Lisi > > Peter > > On 09/10/14 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 09 October 2014 21:59:1

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 11 October 2014 22:59:23 Reco wrote: > Dear list contributors, > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:27:56 -0400 > > Peter Zoeller wrote: > > Hi: > > I might be able to help here as well. I have some teaching notes > > somewhere when I taught system security at my college. > > > > Peter > > > >

Bug in gqrx-sdr on Cubietruck (armhf) platform?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
All, Am trying to get gqrx-sdr and hackrf to run on a Cubieboard (armhf). I seem to have run into bugs with pulseaudio similar to 732043 - gqrx crashing with pulseaudio errors. Attempting to reconfigure reliably crashes gqrx. Is anybody else seeing similar on armhf ? [What seems to be an ident

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/12/2014 at 10:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 21:40:49, Steve Litt wrote: > >> From my viewpoint, shellscripts were never intended to be big, >> huge programs. To me, they just glue together commands, and have a >> few rudimentary branching and looping constructs. > > Isn'

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Reco writes: > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/dbus-manager.c?id=3731acf1acfb4a6eb68374a5b137f3b368f63381#n638 Ah, this is a wonderful example :) My assumptions about the code were right. Does all/most of systemd look like that? -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- T

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Reco writes: > 3) User Alice goes away, but keeps her session in place, locking the > screen. > > 4) User Bob logs in another X session. How does Bob log in while the screen is locked? -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a sub

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > A) Tell everyone it's a moderated list > B) Send the poster a short reason why his post has been moderated. It would be against RFC-821 to silently drop messages. -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Harry Putnam writes: > Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. > Did the Authentication work or fail? > > [NOTE: Just for the information, my lan is a fake one 2xd.{local.lan} was > just invented right > out of thin air some yrs ago] >

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > On 10/8/2014 8:17 PM, lee wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> On 10/6/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote: Jerry Stuckle writes: >>dc_relay_nets >> A list of machines for which we serve as smarthost. >> >> That looks ideal, doesn't it? >>>

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI writes: > On 10/10/2014 10:20 PM, lee wrote: >>> The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of >>> the kernel per se. The DKMS system is well known for supporting kernel >>> modules for video and wireless hardware among others. >> So there isn't really any way to tell

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > On 10/8/2014 8:42 PM, lee wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> On 10/6/2014 7:30 PM, lee wrote: Jerry Stuckle writes: > For instance, MUAs typically connect on port 587 (at least that is the > recommendation), while MTAs always use port 25. Additiona

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Mon, 06 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: >> Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, >> as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. > > Threads which are off topic for debian-user may be filtered out by > listmas...@lists.debian.org, regard

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Reco writes: > Hi. > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 03:20:50 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> > The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of >> > the kernel per se. The DKMS system is well known for supporting kernel >> > modules for video and wireless hardware among others. >> >> So there isn't really

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014, lee wrote: >> Well, who can afford that? Someone who can doesn't need to swap >> drives. > > I've upgraded the drive capacity in machines on multiple occasions > because drives have gotten cheaper... but we don't have enough funding > to afford replaci

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Steve Litt writes: > pingaddr=8.8.8.8 > pingaddr=192.168.100.96 Why is this is defined multiple times? -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/12/2014 9:56 AM, lee wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > >> On 10/8/2014 8:17 PM, lee wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle writes: >>> On 10/6/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > >>>dc_relay_nets >>> A list of machines for which we serve as smarthost. >>

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote: Harry Putnam writes: Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. Reading RFC 2821 would be even better, since RFC 821 is obsoleted by RFC 2821. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.deb

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote: And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him that their message hasn't been delivered? The requirement in RFC 2821 (the successor to RFC 821 which you've recently been referring to) section 4.2.5 that a server which issues a 2yz completio

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 13/10/2014 2:34 AM, Martin Read wrote: > On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote: >> And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him >> that their message hasn't been delivered? > > The requirement in RFC 2821 (the successor to RFC 821 which you've > recently been referring to) secti

Re: segfaults and error 4 in ld-2.13.so with soffice.bin and kate

2014-10-12 Thread Gary Roach
On 10/11/2014 06:28 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, Gary Roach wrote: After cloning my bad drive to a new one and installing the new drive (see previous messages titled excessive CPU usage) i am left with the following problem: Kate and libreoffice.writer refuse to open and give t

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Joe
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:20:27 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Quite. It is ALL there. I keep hoping that something will be the > basics for beginners (which is where we started on this thread). > Teaching notes for college sounded great. > You basically have two options, to use a firewall tool,

Re: find out why a package was installed

2014-10-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 10 October 2014 14:31:26 Marius Gavrilescu wrote: > Rob Owens writes: > > Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? > > For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a > > dependency/recommends of package Y? > > aptitude why I like to look (again

Re: segfaults and error 4 in ld-2.13.so with soffice.bin and kate

2014-10-12 Thread Gary Roach
On 10/11/2014 06:28 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, Gary Roach wrote: After cloning my bad drive to a new one and installing the new drive (see previous messages titled excessive CPU usage) i am left with the following problem: Kate and libreoffice.writer refuse to open and give t

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Joe
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 02:50:18 +1100 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > Yes, but I think the mail is properly delivered and not filtered by > the receiving mail list server; it is later checked over by some > process of the list-master [automatic, scripted, manual or a > combination thereof] -- yes, we n

Re: Installer does not detect ethernet card

2014-10-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 11 October 2014 11:43:05 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 00:28:24, helpseekingtour...@gmx.net wrote: > >Hi > >Tried to re-install Debian 7.6 wheezy from USB-Stick on a Lenovo > >ThinkPad T420. At the step 'Detect network hardware' pops up the > >message 'No Eth

piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Jonathan Dowland writes: > The tech-ctte exploration was extremely thorough, entirely transparent and I > cannot think of any example of a more transparent decision making process in > any other Linux community. Not only that, but the entire decision could be > overridden by a GR, which *any* de

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
When something is antiquated or junk, becomes a troubleshooting problem or leaves room for mockery, or sucks, then there is no reason not to say it. Straining to bend everything into a stream of euphemisms is counterproductive, and nobody can know what is being talked about because it's buried un

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
david...@ling.ohio-state.edu writes: > Or, in other words, threads deemed off-topic by listmaster@l.d.o may > be frozen, or locked. It's just another very short-sighted thing because depending on the viewpoint expressed, the post may be off-topic or not. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/10/14 01:43, lee wrote: Reco writes: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/dbus-manager.c?id=3731acf1acfb4a6eb68374a5b137f3b368f63381#n638 Ah, this is a wonderful example :) My assumptions about the code were right. Does all/most of systemd look like that? I'm n

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/12/2014 at 12:30 PM, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 02:50:18 +1100 Andrew McGlashan > wrote: >> I could be speaking too soon, but either the list has died down a >> little on systemd as a result of people having enough of trying to >> bang their head against a brick wall -- or the filter

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:05:59 +0200 lee wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > > pingaddr=8.8.8.8 > > pingaddr=192.168.100.96 > > Why is this is defined multiple times? Mistake! The 8.8.8.8 isn't needed. That's a test of Internet connectivity, when what I wanted was to test LAN connectivity, which

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread John Hasler
Martin Read writes: > I'm not seeing a serious problem with that function. You have no problem with an 1800 line function? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact li

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 oct 14, 10:30:52, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/12/2014 at 10:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Any program that requires additional scripting just to get it running > > is insufficiently advanced. > > > > (you can quote me on that) > > Part of the tradeoff for power is responsibility -

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 12 oct 14, 17:18:10, Joe wrote: > > You basically have two options, to use a firewall tool, or to hack a > script yourself. The existing tools, last time I looked, aren't really > that versatile, they are intended to make simple firewalls using a GUI. > That's reasonable, because once you w

Synaptic slow when Caribou is running after Gnome-shell update

2014-10-12 Thread Luca Perico
Hi After 3,14 gnome shell update (i use debian jessie) i have see synaptic p.m, very slow to show the package list at startup and also when i change the package list (i.e "all" to "removable" even with a short package list). If i stop Caribou Synaptic work very good I have also noted this : 1) Car

HTML5 videos in Jessie

2014-10-12 Thread Proxy
Hello, I just installed Jessie on one of my partitions. Most of the stuff works just fine, but I'm having problem playing HTML5 videos on Youtube in Iceweasel. I can't even watch webm videos from here: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2014/debconf14/webm/ It looks like video is playing i

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 oct 14, 02:50:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > I've also put it to that person (assuming the one > whom email me is the list-master), that we need a list where we can talk > more freely about our concerns -- this list seems to have been over > reaching on it's goals since ... forever, now th

Re: segfaults and error 4 in ld-2.13.so with soffice.bin and kate

2014-10-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014, Gary Roach wrote: > Thanks for your help. As suggested, I first ran debsum on kate and > libreoffice. All check sums were OK. It's most likely not libreoffice or kate itself, but one of its dependencies. Something like: aptitude search -F '%p' '?reverse-Depends(libreoffice)~i

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 15:56:05 +0200, lee wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > > > If you don't know the difference between an MTA and an MUA, there is no > > way I can help you. > > I'm not asking what the difference is but what difference it makes when > this setting is involved. Can you provide

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:33:43 +0100 Martin Read wrote: > On 12/10/14 04:12, Peter Zoeller wrote: > > But the nice > > thing is shell scripting is simplistic easy to learn and understand. > > I refer the audience to David A. Wheeler's essay[1] on how to handle > filenames correctly in shell scrip

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/10/2014 3:45 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > My understanding is that the only filtering which has been stated to be > being used is not keyword-based, but thread-based. That is, if the post > is in a thread which has been added to the filter list, t

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Martin Read writes: > On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote: >> And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him >> that their message hasn't been delivered? > > The requirement in RFC 2821 (the successor to RFC 821 which you've > recently been referring to) section 4.2.5 that a serve

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU writes: > On Mi, 08 oct 14, 16:01:37, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> >> The tech-ctte exploration was extremely thorough, entirely transparent and I > > In addition, the tech-ctte took special precautions to make sure their > decision is over-ridable by simple majority (50% + 1), des

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/12/2014 at 01:42 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:33:43 +0100 Martin Read > wrote: > >> On 12/10/14 04:12, Peter Zoeller wrote: >> >>> But the nice thing is shell scripting is simplistic easy to learn >>> and understand. >> >> I refer the audience to David A. Wheeler's essa

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Martin Read
On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote: Martin Read writes: I'm not seeing a serious problem with that function. You have no problem with an 1800 line function? The thing that you are asking me if it is the case is not the thing I said. I have a problem with 1800 line functions in general; th

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/10/2014 4:22 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 13 oct 14, 02:50:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> There is an amazing level of resistance to care what us users and >> sysadmins think of the changes dictated by the vote of the Tech CTTE and >> suc

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 18:45:42 +0200, lee wrote: > Martin Read writes: > > > On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote: > >> And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him > >> that their message hasn't been delivered? > > > > The requirement in RFC 2821 (the successor to RFC 821 which

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:06:11 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > Hmm. Let's comment that for people newer to scripting than I am. > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Steve Litt > wrote: > > ### RUN THE DAEMON ### > > exec envuidgid slitt envdir ./env setuidgid slitt \ > > /d/at/python/littcron/l

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: > This essay practically screams out for somebody to write a C program > that takes an argument of an arbitrary string, finds all files in a > directory, and returns a long string with those files separated by the > arbitrary string. You seem to be looking fo

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 18:47:09 +0200, lee wrote: > Andrei POPESCU writes: > > > On Mi, 08 oct 14, 16:01:37, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> > >> The tech-ctte exploration was extremely thorough, entirely transparent and > >> I > > > > In addition, the tech-ctte took special precautions to make su

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 11 oct 14, 21:40:49, Steve Litt wrote: From my viewpoint, shellscripts were never intended to be big, huge programs. To me, they just glue together commands, and have a few rudimentary branching and looping constructs. Isn't that like buying IKEA furniture, but whe

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:33:48 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 17:41:28, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:28:31 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > > Really? How do you write an initscript that restarts your daemon > > > automatically in case it fails for som

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
lee writes: [...] Thanks for the tips. >> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd > That's an invalid helo string. Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1dv.local.lan dvlocalhost 10.0.0.9 dv.local.lan dv

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:07:01 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 11 oct 14, 21:40:49, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > From my viewpoint, shellscripts were never intended to be big, huge > > programs. To me, they just glue together commands, and have a few > > rudimentary branching and looping constru

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
lee writes: I accidentally let my prior response get away before I remembered to ask these questions. [...] >> LOG: MAIN >> <= ha...@2xd.local.lan U=harry P=local S=569 >> $ delivering 1Xauru-0003TT-Fh >> R: smarthost for rea...@newsguy.com >> T: remote_smtp_smarthost for rea...@newsguy.com

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Martin Read writes: > On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote: >> Harry Putnam writes: >> >>> Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? >> >> Reading RFC-821 would tell you more. > > Reading RFC 2821 would be even better, since RFC 821 is obsoleted by > RFC 2821. Thanks. I pounded thr

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Don Armstrong writes: > On Sun, 12 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: >> This essay practically screams out for somebody to write a C program >> that takes an argument of an arbitrary string, finds all files in a >> directory, and returns a long string with those files separated by the >> arbitrary strin

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 05:02:15 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > You seem to be ignoring some facts: > > Believe me, I tried to ignore all the noise of the systemd threads, then > I decided to look a bit further -- perhaps you should too. > > > - you don't speak for the users, at least not for

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Erwan David
Le 12/10/2014 20:48, Brian a écrit : > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 05:02:15 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >>> You seem to be ignoring some facts: >> Believe me, I tried to ignore all the noise of the systemd threads, then >> I decided to look a bit further -- perhaps you should too. >> >>> - you don't

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam writes: > lee writes: > > [...] > > Thanks for the tips. > >>> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd > >> That's an invalid helo string. > > Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? > > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? > > /etc/hosts > > 127.0.0.1dv.local.lan dvl

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:02:08 +0100 Martin Read wrote: > On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote: > > Martin Read writes: > >> I'm not seeing a serious problem with that function. > > > > You have no problem with an 1800 line function? > > The thing that you are asking me if it is the case is not th

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? snip > Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the > format is the same on all of mine. So still should stand as something > to critique/ Debian's exim4 wil

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-12 Thread Bas Wijnen
[Moving this to -project, where it belongs; please follow up only there, not on -user or -devel.] On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 06:18:01PM +0200, lee wrote: > Why doesn't Debian just do a GR on this issue? Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to be seconded by at least 5

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 20:50:00 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 12/10/2014 20:48, Brian a écrit : > > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 05:02:15 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > > >>> You seem to be ignoring some facts: > >> Believe me, I tried to ignore all the noise of the systemd threads, then > >> I decid

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Erwan David
Le 12/10/2014 21:01, Brian a écrit : > On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 20:50:00 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > >> Le 12/10/2014 20:48, Brian a écrit : >>> On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 05:02:15 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >>> > You seem to be ignoring some facts: Believe me, I tried to ignore all the noise

Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:16:54 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sun, 12 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: > > This essay practically screams out for somebody to write a C program > > that takes an argument of an arbitrary string, finds all files in a > > directory, and returns a long string with those fil

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:07:11PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > However my point stays the saem : those are not lists for system > administrators, but foir systemd maiuntainers. I am not a systemd > maintainer, thus this list is not for me. > > systemd is of interedt for ALL debian users, do you th

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 21:07:11 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 12/10/2014 21:01, Brian a écrit : > > > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo > > > > Do you have a link which says otherwise? > > > I did a mismatxh with the liste on freedesktop.org > > However my point stays th

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Joe
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 19:18:33 -0400 Harry Putnam wrote: Sorry, I missed this thread originally. > > (I'm not sure if this output means it worked or it failed. I can tell > you that nothing is showing up at the other end) > > Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? > Did t

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Joe
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 19:48:29 +0100 Brian wrote: > > Not a single one of these people have a *genuine* problem with systemd > on Debian. The first port of call for genuine problems with systemd > is the mailing list at > pkg-systemd-maintainers.lists.alioth.debian.org. > I don't expect this on

Re: How to do this ?

2014-10-12 Thread Erwan David
Le 11/10/2014 20:20, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : >> On 10 Oct 2014, at 18:51, Erwan David wrote: >> >> how can I do this with systemd ? > You'd write a systemd unit for the mount operation (there's a mount type) > which wasn't hooked into the default multiuser target. The mount unit requires the

Re: How to do this ?

2014-10-12 Thread Erwan David
Le 11/10/2014 18:45, Steve Litt a écrit : > On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:38:05 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> On Vi, 10 oct 14, 19:51:50, Erwan David wrote: >>> I want to have a system which boots, and starts a subset of daemons. >>> >>> Then afterward I ssh to it, do something which 1) mount an enc

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Joe writes: [...] >> (I'm not sure if this output means it worked or it failed. I can tell >> you that nothing is showing up at the other end) >> >> Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output? >> Did the Authentication work or fail? > > The message was transmitted and accepte

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Marty
On 10/11/2014 12:49 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 11 oct 14, 12:19:29, Marty wrote: >Could it be that a modular design for such complex tasks becomes too >difficult to *do it right*? I don't know, but I think given its history, the burden of proof is on monolithic, not modular design. A bet

Re: alternative file systems

2014-10-12 Thread John Holland
I've been running Zfsonlinux.org zfs on debian for maybe two years. I don't have root fs on zfs. I keep a working copy of the system dirs I have mounted on zfs on ext3. (Var and usr). ONE time, the dkms had problems and I was glad I had those extra copies (rsync from the zfs ones in a cron job)

Re: alternative file systems (was: Re: lvm: creating a snapshot)

2014-10-12 Thread John Holland
http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html#WhatKernelVersionsAreSupported On October 10, 2014 9:20:50 PM EDT, lee wrote: >John Holland writes: > >> I'm having very good results using their repo and DKMS system to >build >> support into kernel modules. It's very easy to set up. I'm using it >> with Linux 3.2

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 13/10/2014 5:48 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 05:02:15 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Not a single one of these people have a *genuine* problem with systemd > on Debian. The first port of call for genuine problems with systemd is > the mailing list at pkg-systemd-maintainers.lists.

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 10/11/2014 12:49 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 11 oct 14, 12:19:29, Marty wrote: >Could it be that a modular design for such complex tasks becomes too >difficult to *do it right*? I don't know, but I think given its history, the burden of proof is on monolithic, not modular design. A bet

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 19:56:08 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 02:45:44PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > > > And if so, is that not acquired from /etc/hosts? > snip > > Egad ... I just noticed that was from a different machine... but the > > format is the same on all of min

Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 14:45:44 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > Harry Putnam writes: > > > lee writes: > > > > [...] > > > > Thanks for the tips. > > > >>> SMTP>> EHLO 2xd > > > >> That's an invalid helo string. > > > > Is a valid one made up of just the full fqdn? > > > > And if so, is that not

Re: question about s ystemd

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
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Re: question about s ystemd

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Oct 2014 at 22:34:22 +0100, Brian wrote: Having a body to a mail is much better. (Or maybe not if the content is of no interest. :)) On Sat 11 Oct 2014 at 21:37:50 -0700, koanhead wrote:

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 07:42:58 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 13/10/2014 5:48 AM, Brian wrote: > > Not a single one of these people have a *genuine* problem with systemd > > on Debian. The first port of call for genuine problems with systemd is > > the mailing list at pkg-systemd-maintainers

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