On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:08:05 -0700
koanhead wrote:
> >>
> >> Any service you're not currently using should be disabled. Any
> >> service you won't use should not be installed.
> >
> > Yeah. But ;/ The devil is in the details.
> > Where is a list of services.
> There's one at /etc/services. It's
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:36:46 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:58:13 -0400
> James Ensor wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I don't have a strong opinion about systemd one way or the other,
> > but even after all of the debate and discussion that has been going
> > on, it was still not clea
On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:35:22 +1300
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > Even fetchmail connects to the MTA on its own host by SMTP.
>
> How have you got yours configured? fetchmail connects using the pop3
> protocol in my configuration.
>
Yes, and
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 05:58:53PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:18:09 +1000
> Stuart Longland wrote:
>
>
> > The hard bit about things like firewalling, is that there is really a
> > minimum technical understanding necessary to do it properly.
>
> You've got that right. Yea
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 22:41:29 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/8/2014 8:17 PM, lee wrote:
> >
> > Ok, and what difference does this actually make?
> >
> >
>
> If you don't know the difference between an MTA and an MUA, there is
> no way I can help you.
>
Humans generally do, the point is
On 10/06/2014 09:41 PM, Jape Person wrote:
On 10/06/2014 10:49 AM, Lars Noodén wrote:
...
What needs to be added or configured to get a brightness slider or other
brightness control for the backlight?
...
I think at this version they switched from using a notification area
applet for the powe
lee wrote:
Richard Owlett writes:
I'm aware of "Securing Debian Manual". I'm looking for more an
introductory document.
I'm not sure what you're looking for.
Unfortunately that makes two of us. But I'm seeing a definition
evolve as incoming replies nibble around the edge of my ignorance.
On 10/09/2014 04:45 AM, Joe wrote:
And I have an old laptop and a virtual installation on a Windows
laptop, both on sysvinit. But both exist for a small set of purposes,
and have nothing like the range of software on my workstation, so I
don't know what they tell us. They also only get upgraded
I've been seeing this dialog popping up (seems like at random) with
"Could not get updates" - Failed to process request. Selecting the 'More
details' dropdown shows 'Operation was cancelled'. I can close the
dialog, and there doesn't seem to be any other issues. Is there a way to
find out what is g
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On 9/10/2014 10:47 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 9/10/2014 10:40 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> $ sed 's/s.st.md/killer bunny/'
* it looks like the filtering has been adjusted *
re-sending
The more I read about the use of
On 10/09/2014 07:13 AM, Lars Noodén wrote:
On 10/06/2014 09:41 PM, Jape Person wrote:
On 10/06/2014 10:49 AM, Lars Noodén wrote:
...
What needs to be added or configured to get a brightness slider or other
brightness control for the backlight?
...
I think at this version they switched from u
On 10/8/2014 10:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> If what you did works for everybody when Jessie goes stable, you've
> just singlehandedly ended this whole argument.
Not really.
Just because it can be done easily now, doesn't mean it will be as easy
- or even possible - a year or more from now - and I
Tanstaafl writes:
> Just because it can be done easily now, doesn't mean it will be as
> easy - or even possible - a year or more from now - and I think *that*
> is the overriding concern of people who express legitimate concerns.
That, and the fact that there will be many "special cases" where it
On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:45:02 +0100
Joe wrote:
> I think the real issue is that nobody likes maintaining sysvinit
> scripts. It's quite right that the job of running a piece of software
> should be the responsibility of the upstream software writers, not the
> distribution package maintainer, but
Hi.
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:36:46 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> If what you did works for everybody when Jessie goes stable, you've
> just singlehandedly ended this whole argument.
That's a short-term solution at best. Because of:
1) Jessie isn't stable yet. Moreover, it's not even in freeze.
Hence
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:16:47 -0400
Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/8/2014 10:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > If what you did works for everybody when Jessie goes stable, you've
> > just singlehandedly ended this whole argument.
>
> Not really.
>
> Just because it can be done easily now, doesn't mean it
* On 2014 09 Oct 10:20 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> I think if you wanted daemons runlevel specific, you'd need to write
> that into the daemontools run script, but I'm not sure how many people
> still use runlevels anyway. Most desktop people always boot to 5, and
> it wouldn't violate the sensibili
On 10/09/2014 04:45 AM, Joe wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:36:46 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
/snip/
We've had the instructions to revert on this list recently, but it's
basically a matter of installing systemd-shim and sysvinit-core
(assuming you have a system which once ran on sysvinit) and hunt
Doug writes:
> I thought I read that systemd-shim is not being supplied anymore?
Systemd-shim 8-2 is in both Jessie and Sid.
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Hi folks,
I read, that systemd requires /usr and /usr/local mounted to initrd.
How is that to be done?
My system has a luks-encrypted partition, which is /dev/mapper/usr and when
encryption is opened by enetering the correct passphrase, it will be mounted
to /usr.
I do not understand the p
Le 09/10/2014 17:12, Reco a écrit :
> Hi.
>
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:36:46 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> If what you did works for everybody when Jessie goes stable, you've
>> just singlehandedly ended this whole argument.
> That's a short-term solution at best. Because of:
>
> 1) Jessie isn't st
Hi.
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:17:46 +0200
Erwan David wrote:
> > So, if one is willing to do all it takes to remove said-pid1-process
> > from the typical server installation - it's doable. But from the
> > desktop one - it's much harder.
> >
>
> However I have server with special setting that to
On 2014-10-09 19:48 +0200, Reco wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:17:46 +0200
> Erwan David wrote:
>
> That's one of the reasons I'm thinking to postpone that-pid1-process
> migration to jessie+1. I can understand the need of killing a useful
> tool for the greater cause (being upstream), but the t
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> So if you've seen some of your posts not be posted, be aware that
...
I often see debian-user messages in Gmail's spam box (that are not
spam, this should be obvious otherwise i wouldn't mention it).
This didn't use to happen but it seems their
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 02:54:48AM +0200, lee wrote:
> Richard Owlett writes:
>
> > I'm aware of "Securing Debian Manual". I'm looking for more an
> > introductory document.
>
> I'm not sure what you're looking for. It's a good idea to have at least
> a good basic understanding about how a fire
On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:47:33 +0100
Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Steve Litt
> wrote:
> > So if you've seen some of your posts not be posted, be aware that
> ...
>
> I often see debian-user messages in Gmail's spam box (that are not
> spam, this should be obvious otherw
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:25:32 +0200
Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2014-10-09 19:48 +0200, Reco wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:17:46 +0200
> > Erwan David wrote:
> >
> > That's one of the reasons I'm thinking to postpone that-pid1-process
> > migration to jessie+1. I can understand the need of ki
I have been contemplating the merits of mailing lists and comparing them
with those of forums, thinking about whether there exists an alternative
which provides the advantages of both. And then I came out with
something new which does exactly that.
Before I continue, allow me to quickly and partia
Didn't you just describe Usenet?
:-/
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:54:48 +0200 lee sent:
> I still have a very good tutorial that uses iptables and helps you to
> learn how to build a firewall. I've archived it for reference in
> 2003. I could send it to you by email if you like (760kB).
I would be very interested in this as well Lee.
Th
On Thursday 09 October 2014 21:59:12 Charlie wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:54:48 +0200 lee sent:
> > I still have a very good tutorial that uses iptables and helps you to
> > learn how to build a firewall. I've archived it for reference in
> > 2003. I could send it to you by email if you like (7
On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 15:40:04 -0500
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Didn't you just describe Usenet?
>
I was thinking that. I suppose there are people who don't know about
Usenet. There certainly aren't many ISPs who throw in Usenet nowadays...
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On 10/08/2014 10:04 PM, Joey Hess wrote:
Philippe Clérié wrote:
I'm curious to know how fast obnam is for other users.
My home network is mostly Gigabit Ethernet. Measuring with iperf, the best
speed I get is around 600Mbps, maybe 700Mbps depending on the computers
involved.
With obnam, speeds
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:58:13 -0400
> James Ensor wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I don't have a strong opinion about systemd one way or the other, but
> > even after all of the debate and discussion that has been going on,
> > it was still not clear
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 10:00:59AM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:35:22 +1300
> Chris Bannister wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 07:41:06PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > Even fetchmail connects to the MTA on its own host by SMTP.
> >
> > How have you got yours configured? fetchmail con
On 10/9/2014 5:52 PM, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 15:40:04 -0500
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
>> Didn't you just describe Usenet?
>>
>
> I was thinking that. I suppose there are people who don't know about
> Usenet. There certainly aren't many ISPs who throw in Usenet nowadays...
>
As well as
On Thursday 09 October 2014 22:44:20 James Ensor wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
> > On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:58:13 -0400
> >
> > James Ensor wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I don't have a strong opinion about systemd one way or the other, but
> > > even after all of the de
* On 2014 09 Oct 17:51 -0500, James Ensor wrote:
> Just for kicks, I also purged cgmanager. I guess I like to live
> dangerously. Nothing bad seems to have happened.
I am very curious how you dealt with policykit? Or do you not mount USB
flash drives? I'm a bit fed up that mounting a USB flash
Jerry Stuckle writes:
> As well as free Usenet servers.
Anybody can run a Usenet server.
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I've just upgraded to wheezy and my Canon LBP 7200Cdn stopped working. I
used Radu Cotescu's script to try to reinstall it, but that failed and
messed up apt-get, as one of his debs tries to install an outdated
package. I've cracked the problems and got my printer working again. If
anyone else i
2014/10/09 10:58 "lee" :
>
> Joel Rees writes:
>
> >> 2014/09/25 9:15 "lee" :
> >>
> >>> Joel Rees writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hmm. So linkage is a result of complexity,
> >
> > What is complexity?
> >
> > Complexity is not a simple topic. :-\
Indeed. And one of the problems with computers is that p
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:27:30 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> Complexity is not a simple topic. :-\
Can I quote you on that?
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2014 09 Oct 17:51 -0500, James Ensor wrote:
>> Just for kicks, I also purged cgmanager. I guess I like to live
>> dangerously. Nothing bad seems to have happened.
>
> I am very curious how you dealt with policykit? Or do you not mount
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:36:23 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> Indeed. And one of the problems with computers is that people want to
> believe that computers can make complexities go away.
>
> Some complexities you can encapsulate or hide, or expose in an
> organized manner so that that are easier to de
On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 17:59:49 -0500
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2014 09 Oct 17:51 -0500, James Ensor wrote:
> > Just for kicks, I also purged cgmanager. I guess I like to live
> > dangerously. Nothing bad seems to have happened.
>
> I am very curious how you dealt with policykit? Or do you not
Hi all,
How does one network-install Jessie? I always network-install Wheezy,
and love it that way, but I've never found a way to network-install
Jessie/Testing. Is there any way that doesn't involve installing Wheezy
and then upgrading?
Thanks,
SteveT
Steve Litt* http://www.tr
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
> How does one network-install Jessie? I always network-install Wheezy,
> and love it that way, but I've never found a way to network-install
> Jessie/Testing. Is there any way that doesn't involve installing
> Wheezy and then upgrading?
1) You use the jessie
Don Armstrong writes:
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2014, lee wrote:
>> Tony van der Hoff writes:
>>
>> > GMT/BST; I just want cron to trigger tasks at a fixed time each day,
>> > regardless of localtime.
>>
>> man cron:
>>
>>It is possible to use different time zones for crontables. See
>>
* On 2014 09 Oct 19:03 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> Half the distros I've used couldn't mount flash drives. If systemd
> takes away that ability, screw it, I'll do what I've always done, have
> mount NOPASSORD in sudoers, and write a little shellscript, a couple
> keystrokes called by dmenu, that mou
2014/10/10 8:47 "Steve Litt" :
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:27:30 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > Complexity is not a simple topic. :-\
>
> Can I quote you on that?
Heh.
I was quoting several teachers and co-workers, I don't know if anyone has
figured out who said it first. It predates the Greek ph
2014/10/10 9:03 "Steve Litt" :
>
> [...]
> LOL, the more people bust old features putting in new features, the
> more I kludge.
And that sums the entire argument up nicely, perhaps.
:-(
Joel Rees
Computer memory is just fancy paper,
CPUs just fancy pens.
All is a stream of text
flowing from the
On 10/9/2014 7:16 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>> As well as free Usenet servers.
>
> Anybody can run a Usenet server.
>
But if you set up your own usenet server, you won't have access to any
of the newsgroups on usenet. Which will leave you very, very lonely.
Jerry
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Jerry Stuckle writes:
> But if you set up your own usenet server, you won't have access to any
> of the newsgroups on usenet.
Unless you arrange one or more feeds. That's how it works. It's a peer
to peer system. I run my own Leafnode server for my wife and I. I
currently purchase a feed from
On 10/9/2014 10:48 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>> But if you set up your own usenet server, you won't have access to any
>> of the newsgroups on usenet.
>
> Unless you arrange one or more feeds. That's how it works. It's a peer
> to peer system. I run my own Leafnode server f
On 08/10/2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 08 oct 14, 15:23:55, Bret Busby wrote:
>>
>> Both scenario's involve the use od a VGA cable and connection to the
>> VGA socket on each of the respective laptops. That it is using the
>> supplied VGA cable, and not aDVI or HDMI cable, is not a problem
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 10/9/2014 10:48 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Jerry Stuckle writes:
But if you set up your own usenet server, you won't have access to any
of the newsgroups on usenet.
Unless you arrange one or more feeds. That's how it works. It's a peer
to peer system. I run my own Leafno
Reco wrote:
> You haven't took into account journald, which uses /run (mounted
> in-memory) to write its' own blobs. With the limit of 1/2 of available
> physical memory by default.
That's wrong by nearly 2 orders of magnitude..
journald avoids using more than 10% of the size of /run by default,
On Friday 10 October 2014 04:24:55 Bret Busby wrote:
> Can Debian 7 run an external monitor?
Yes!
Lisi
P.S. I have done it.
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On 08/10/2014, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:23:55 +0800
> Bret Busby wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I have a 23" monitor, that I want to use with two of my laptop
>> computers (not
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