> On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
> > Bartosz Olender writes:
> > > Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion
> > > reminding that "GNU is *Not* Unix"
> >
> > May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive
> > expansion of GNU?
> Most of
On 15/09/2014, Bartosz Olender wrote:
>
> Plan 9 is considered a "spiritual successor" to UNIX with it's
> principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still
> researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can push
> this UNIX concept, I don't think we will see a
On 16/09/2014, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus »
Eh, wot?
I think that tellus is a brand of vacuum cleaner (is this something to
do with cleaning some threads of messages off the list :) ? ).
pede - well that sounds like a root of pedestrian.
> I want to get wicd off my system, but am having a problem. All the
> installer utilities say that it's not installed
As Gary Dale has pointed out, you should probably be looking at
packages names other than plain "wicd".
> root@debian:~# which wicd
> /usr/sbin/wicd
This will tell you which pa
Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
> > I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
> > hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of time – as
> > it won´t change anything.
>
>
On 16/09/14 at 03:39pm, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 16/09/2014, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus »
>
> Eh, wot?
>
> I think that tellus is a brand of vacuum cleaner (is this something to
> do with cleaning some threads of messages off the l
On 2014-09-12 06:34:58 +0400, Reco wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:03:25 +0100
> Brian wrote:
> > If the local hostname is always resolvable by a 127.0.1.1 line in
> > /etc/hosts or the machine is unlikely to dynamically change its
> > hostname libnss-myhostname probably can be purged.
>
> 'Purge
On 2014-09-12 00:59:27 +0400, Reco wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:43:53 -0400
> Harry Putnam wrote:
> The `hosts' entry:
> >
> > hosts: files myhostname mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
> >
> > What does all that mean? I understand `files' first and `dns' at the
> > end but none of
Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by
docker) require a graphical boot ?
(and if following the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a server... ?
SHould I report a bug against mountall ?
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On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by
> docker) require a graphical boot ?
It doesn't.
> (and if following the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a
> server... ?
It doesn't.
> SHould I report a bug a
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian said:
> On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>
> > Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by
> > docker) require a graphical boot ?
>
> It doesn't.
It does on testing (I should have precised).
> > (and
On 09/16/2014 09:56 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 15/09/2014, Bartosz Olender wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Plan 9 is considered a "spiritual successor" to UNIX with it's
>> principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still
>> researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can pu
On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 11:32:03 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian said:
> > On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> >
> > > Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by
> > > docker) require a graphical boot ?
> >
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 08:24:07PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable
> dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an
> interesting discussion for developers.
ISTM that such threads - with people who are actually using syste
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:37:27AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 11:32:03 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian said:
> > > On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a serv
2014/09/16 16:57 "Bret Busby" :
>
> On 16/09/2014, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus »
>
> Eh, wot?
>
> I think that tellus is a brand of vacuum cleaner (is this something to
> do with cleaning some threads of messages off the list :) ? ).
>
On Mon 15 Sep 2014 at 16:26:30 -0300, Adrián Orellana wrote:
> I'm trying to install jessie amd64 and with the installer I got two
> important issues:
> 1st: when it asked me about non free drivers, I told him that there were in
> an external device (usb), but it never saw after several attemps.
On 16/09/14 01:00, lee wrote:
Shall we have a vote? AFAIK, there's nothing that would speak against
having one, in this very mailing list. Why not ask the users? Why
should only Debian developers be allowed to vote but not the users?
Quite aside from the general DEbian principle of "do-ocrac
On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 13:45:28 +0400, Reco wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:37:27AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 11:32:03 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian
> > > said:
> > > > On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 01:06:30PM CEST, Brian said:
> On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 13:45:28 +0400, Reco wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:37:27AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 11:32:03 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian
> >
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:51:33 +0200
Erwan David wrote:
>
> Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as
> recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? (and if following
> the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a server... ?
>
> SHould I report a bug against mountall ?
A
Hi.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:35:10AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> If you're saying that the *Debian Host* is recommending Plymouth, that
> should be reported as a bug against *something*. Plymouth is an
> atrocity.
Debian Host is not *recommending* plymouth, mountall *depends* on
plymouth:
http
File a bug.
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On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 13:26:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 01:06:30PM CEST, Brian said:
> >
> > mountall (2.10) lucid; urgency=low
> >
> > * Add hard dependency on Plymouth; without it running, mountall will
> > ignore any filesystem which doesn't show up within a
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 05:16:32PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>
> Sorry, I see only that he represented his views, which also happens to
> coincide with my own. Please, if you have to label someone, you've lost your
> argument's points from the get-go. :) Ric
Also his views were known long before 19
Bret Busby wrote:
Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who
may be seeking advice and assistance with day to day, layman type
opera
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:00:40AM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> Sorry? Should we add some dressing to the barbecue? O.K. I am not an
> English native speaker.
Not a good idea, it only causes eye watering smoke to billow everywhere.
You are better off adding dressing to the food once it has
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 08:24:07PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable
dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an
interesting discussion for developers.
ISTM that such threads - with people who are
Hello.
On a old lenny, we have a software which have to connect to a server of
the same LAN (we do not have physical access to any stuff, and we can
only connect through ssh to that client computer), but when it connect
through the mysql program, there is no prompt. Through the odbc program
(
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 08:24:07PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:15:59 -0700
> Don Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> > Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this
> > mailing list.
>
> Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable
> dependencies
Hi.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:18:50AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> File a bug.
Why would I? mountall is a part of upstart, and those Ubuntu guys can do
all kinds of crazy foo for all I care.
And for LXC I prefer using straight lxc tools over this python-infested
hipster docker :)
Reco
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 04:08:23PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Hello.
Hi,
[...]
> Does someone have any idea about what could be the problem, and/or how to
> fix it?
I suggest you'd be better off asking on a mysql support list, but be
prepared to be flamed for not providing en
On 14Sep16:1203+0100, Martin Read wrote:
> Debian users, on the other hand, are very much *not* a strongly-identifiable
> group; there is no formal mechanism whatsoever for being endorsed as an
> Official Debian User. As such, a vote "by the users" can, *at best*, be a
> vaguely indicative straw p
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:20:04AM -0400, David L. Craig wrote:
> On 14Sep16:1203+0100, Martin Read wrote:
>
> > Debian users, on the other hand, are very much *not* a strongly-identifiable
> > group; there is no formal mechanism whatsoever for being endorsed as an
> > Official Debian User. As suc
On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
some command in an improved Unix experience.
AH! You said it yourself! "...an improved _Unix_ experience."
(Emp
Doug writes:
> On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> > And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
> > were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
> > some command in an improved Unix experience.
> >
> AH! You said it yourself! ".
Ahoj,
Dňa Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:24:07 -0400 Steve Litt
napísal:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:15:59 -0700
> Don Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> > Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this
> > mailing list.
>
> Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable
> depende
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200
Slavko wrote:
> If yes,
> then "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" ...
Alas, poor Slavko ;-)
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:54:12AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
> > > I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
> > > hand I think discussing thi
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:17:19 Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:24:07 -0400 Steve Litt
>
> napísal:
> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:15:59 -0700
> >
> > Don Armstrong wrote:
> > > Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this
> > > mailing list.
> >
Hi!
I have the same problem.
Could someone point us where to look?
I am using Debian Wheezy Mate 1.8 on Asus K52JK laptop.
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Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Doug writes:
> On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> > And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
> > were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
> > some command in an improved Unix experience.
> >
Mike McGinn wrote:
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:17:19 Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:24:07 -0400 Steve Litt
napísal:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:15:59 -0700
Don Armstrong wrote:
Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this
mailing list.
Precisely. Bug
On 16/09/14 17:43, Andre N Batista wrote:
I find your lack of imagination disturbing. So disturbing that I here
and now propose a better approach: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and
point these threads as his fault, his problem. For years to come people
would remember what happens to those who try
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> On a old lenny, we have a software which have to connect to a server of the
> same LAN (we do not have physical access to any stuff, and we can only
> connect through ssh to that client computer), but when it connect through
> the mysql pr
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Doug writes:
> > > On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > >
> > > > And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we
> > > > already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoy
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Doug writes:
> > > On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > >
> > > > And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we
> > > > already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoy
lee wrote:
Shall we have a vote?
That's hardly necessary, seeing as how Debian developers have
been disregarding their users' needs in the last few years.
Vote all you want, of course, but it's obviously Shuttleworth and
Pöttering, or maybe Microsoft or Satan Beelzebub behind them both
who's g
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote:
> dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault,
> his problem.
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> So... to whomever it was that said GNU is irrelevant, or words to
> that effect... Debian, and most (all?) Linux distros are very much
> dependent on GNU. Arguably, Debian is more intertwined with GNU than
> with the Linux kernel (ca
* On 2014 16 Sep 12:51 -0500, st wrote:
> Surely, I'd love to see the votes on 'What distribution currently
> alive is a fair Unix-like GNU/Linux, stable as in "Debian Woody"',
> though.
Slackware, perhaps?
Somehow I don't see Patrick embracing systemd, but I could be wrong.
It has been years sin
On 14Sep17:0355+1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:20:04AM -0400, David L. Craig wrote:
> >
> > The obvious question this leads to is, "Would some registration
> > facility to enable non-developing users to support/inform
> > decision-making by the DDs add meaningful value
I set up a Jessie VM (kvm: 1 cpu, 512MB RAM, qemu2 filesystem)
to take a look at what is coming down the road.
The default install with systemd as init boots very quickly.
When I changed to sysvinit, boot times ended up around 32
seconds, and sometimes 47.
Most of this time seemed to be taken u
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:49:21 +0100
Joe wrote:
Sorry about that, Claws seems to have developed hiccups, and has been
firmly thumped on the back...
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2014-09-16 05:37 keltezéssel, tom arnall írta:
> I want to get wicd off my system, but am having a problem. All the
> installer utilities say that it's not installed, but 'which' and other
> things tell a different story:
>
> root@debian:~# which wicd
> /usr/sbin/wicd
> root@debian:~#
>
[]
>
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
One of my boxes has a RAID1 using two Seagate SATA 3.0 1 tb hard drives.
I need to replace one of them, and I would like to use as a replacement
a Samsung SATA 2.0 1 tb drive which already has on it data which I do
not need to keep.
My first question
On 16/09/14 03:03 PM, Ken Heard wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
One of my boxes has a RAID1 using two Seagate SATA 3.0 1 tb hard drives.
I need to replace one of them, and I would like to use as a replacement
a Samsung SATA 2.0 1 tb drive which already has on it data which
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:03:41 -0400
Ken Heard wrote:
> My first question is: although both drives are the same size, can I get
> away with having one drive a Seagate 3.0 and the other Samsung 2.0?
Indeed, this is a very recommended configuration, as HDz of the same
brand (and much worse: same bra
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote:
> One of my boxes has a RAID1 using two Seagate SATA 3.0 1 tb hard drives.
> I need to replace one of them, and I would like to use as a replacement
> a Samsung SATA 2.0 1 tb drive which already has on it data which I do
> not need to keep
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:47:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
...snip...
>
> What the message is telling is that there is no package installed
> called wicd. You need to find out (try searching
> packages.debian.org) which package wicd is part of.
Highly doubtful as synaptic lists
On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 13:56:15 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> I set up a Jessie VM (kvm: 1 cpu, 512MB RAM, qemu2 filesystem)
> to take a look at what is coming down the road.
I did the same as you but used a real machine. You didn't bother to say
what you installed so I haven't either.
> The default
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:20:46 +0200
"Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote:
> Often in the past young people arrived screaming "We have the great
> new thing that will change all", and a lot of "great new things" were
> lost in time like tears in rain...
Let's not make it about age. I bet I can find twenty
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:05:25 -0500
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2014 16 Sep 12:51 -0500, st wrote:
> > Surely, I'd love to see the votes on 'What distribution currently
> > alive is a fair Unix-like GNU/Linux, stable as in "Debian Woody"',
> > though.
>
> Slackware, perhaps?
>
> Somehow I don't
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:12:44 +0100
Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:49:21 +0100
> Joe wrote:
>
> Sorry about that, Claws seems to have developed hiccups, and has been
> firmly thumped on the back...
LOL, Claws sucks, but it's the best email client available.
SteveT
Steve Litt
On 09/16/2014 01:36 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote:
dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault,
his problem.
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
Threat? I couldn't figure out what he was saying, exce
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:36:51 -0700
Don Armstrong wrote:
> Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
Let it be, at this rate there will be blood (a lot) for Halloween ;-)
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On 09/16/2014 03:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:05:25 -0500 Nate Bargmann
> wrote:
>
>> * On 2014 16 Sep 12:51 -0500, st wrote:
>>> Surely, I'd love to see the votes on 'What distribution
>>> currently alive is a fair Unix-like GNU/Linux, stable as in
>>> "Debian Woody"', th
On 9/16/14, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
>> > I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
>> > hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of t
On 16/09/2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Bret Busby wrote:
>
>>
>> Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
>> a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
>> like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who
>> may be seeking adv
On 9/16/14, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:47:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
>
> ...snip...
>>
>> What the message is telling is that there is no package installed
>> called wicd. You need to find out (try searching
>> packages.debian.org) which package wicd is part
Bret Busby wrote:
On 16/09/2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Bret Busby wrote:
Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who
may be seeking
Hello.
With the recently posted fix for the Microsoft attempt to close down
skype; the fix involving the use of a hex editor, to cause faking the
skype version number, to pretend to be 4.3 (I think it is that version
number that is needed), I am wondering whether anyone has successfully
attempted
On 17/09/14 15:16, Bret Busby wrote:
> Hello.
>
> With the recently posted fix for the Microsoft attempt to close down
> skype; the fix involving the use of a hex editor, to cause faking the
> skype version number, to pretend to be 4.3 (I think it is that version
> number that is needed), I am won
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On 9/15/14, tom arnall wrote:
> I want to get wicd off my system, but am having a problem. All the
> installer utilities say that it's not installed, but 'which' and other
> things tell a different story:
>
> root@debian:~# which wicd
> /usr/sbin/wicd
> root@debian:~#
>
> Also, in spite of the ins
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