On Lu, 25 aug 14, 14:22:53, Buchs, Kevin J. wrote:
> The securing debian HowTo (
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-firewall-setup
> ), on my reading, suggests there is no default firewall setup on the base
> system, unless a firewall script packag
On Lu, 25 aug 14, 07:47:54, Rusi Mody wrote:
> Two related questions
>
> aptitude tells me "upower and upower:i386 are recommended"
> When I do
> aptitude install upower upower:i386
Could you please tell us what your default and foreign architectures
are?
dpkg --print-architecture
dpkg
Davide Prina writes:
> On 27/08/2014 16:35, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> > Posso dire una cosa? Il processo che gestisce l'avvio di un sistema
> > che dipende da un file in /usr?
>
> forse perché systemd può essere usato come sostituto di init.d eseguito
> come system o, altrimenti, come
Davide Prina writes:
> On 27/08/2014 16:35, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> > Posso dire una cosa? Il processo che gestisce l'avvio di un sistema
> > che dipende da un file in /usr?
>
> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/
Freedesktop.org is broken. Ma da anni.
Ciao a tutti,
Aggiungo qualcosa anchio, anche se penso che il mio contributo non
sara molto utile, comunque leggendo il link che stato postato prima,
nel quale si parla del fatto che si possono avere problemi, non usando
la /usr su una partizione separata, posso chiaramente smentire, adesso
in que
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:16 PM, David L. Craig wrote:
> I really hope it is helpful to a lot of people as time
> goes by.
Hi David,
This is going to be a tremendously useful resource! I've not read it
all yet but:
1. Is there a reason for using Debian sid instead of current stable?
2. Would it be
Il giorno 28 agosto 2014 11:48, emmanuel segura ha
scritto:
> Ciao a tutti,
>
>
ciao a tutti voi che... che state scrivendo sulla lista sbagliata!
/r
emmanuel segura writes:
> Ciao a tutti,
>
> Aggiungo qualcosa anchio, anche se penso che il mio contributo non
> sara molto utile, comunque leggendo il link che stato postato prima,
> nel quale si parla del fatto che si possono avere problemi, non usando
> la /usr su una partizione separata,
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:47:19 +0100 Brian
napísal:
> On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 19:37:41 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > please which Python version have to be default on Jessie? Will be
> > support for Python 2.7 dropped in it?
> >
> > I read this from systemd changelog (208-7):
> >
> > * Buil
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote:
you shouldn't express your opinion!
Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and over and over and
over again ad nauseam and beyond. We all know your opinion. Please give it
a rest.
Lisi
So let's see.
I have an old laptop with a Trident Cyberblade/XP video card. tridentfb has
been broken for this model card for some time now.
# service lightdm stop
# modprobe tridentfb (from tty0)
Screen goes black then shows stripes with light and dark areas.
* I'm only able to get a gui environent by forcing
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:26:30 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> So let's see... Steve posts one message with a link in it, that at
> least several people find relevant, useful, and interesting - and
> immediately gets jumped on by umpteen people who complain about the
> initial message, which, in turn
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 05:03:07 -0700 (PDT)
Beeblebrox wrote:
> # modprobe tridentfb (from tty0)
> Screen goes black then shows stripes with light and dark areas.
>
> * I'm only able to get a gui environent by forcing vesa in xorg.conf
> and not loading tridentfb.
> * With vesa, screensaver locks-u
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:27:09 +0200
B wrote:
> this shift (schism?)
It seems to me that the 'schism' is a figment of the imagination, as all major
GNU/Linux distributions are actively porting, using, and integrating systemd.
So, it's not so much a schism as a branch of non-conformists. Whil
On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 07:26:30 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote:
> >>you shouldn't express your opinion!
> >Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and over and over and
> >over again ad nauseam and beyond. W
On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 13:23:29 +0200, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:47:19 +0100 Brian
> napísal:
>
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Python/JessieRoadmap
>
> Thanks, but it is not clear for me. Nothing about default Python, only
> 3.4 mentioned as default, but i understand it as the Pytho
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:43:24 -0400
AW wrote:
> It seems to me that the 'schism' is a figment of the imagination, as
> all major GNU/Linux distributions are actively porting, using, and
> integrating systemd. So, it's not so much a schism as a branch of
> non-conformists.
As a parallel, we could
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:15:10 +0200
B wrote:
> Treating sysV of "overly complex" against systemd is… quite intriguing
> (to stay polite and avoid referring to brain and other things;)
All of the above is opinion, not source code based, and has nothing at to do
with anything other than -- I
On 8/28/14, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:27:09 +0200
> B wrote:
>
> > this shift (schism?)
>
> It seems to me that the 'schism' is a figment of the imagination, as all
> major
> GNU/Linux distributions are actively porting, using, and integrating
> systemd.
> So, it's not so much a sch
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:32:51 -0400
AW wrote:
> apt-get source sysvinit
>
> is all you need to type in order to compile your own init and run it on
> whatever machine you wish...
This is precisely the stumbling block: from what I read/know, sysV will
only last until systemd is ready to invade al
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:46:28 +0200
B wrote:
> In other words: we won't have this choice very long.
Yes... because I'm very sure that the official Debian repo is the only publicly
available remote hosted location to find sysvinit source code... And, let's
not forget that the sysvinit source
On 8/28/14, B wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:43:24 -0400
> AW wrote:
...
>> While there's nothing wrong with being a
>> non-conformist, in regards to most of the complaints regarding systemd
>> -- the argument does not appear to be about technical superiority, nor
>> performance, nor FOSS,
On 28/08/14 14:32, AW wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:15:10 +0200
B wrote:
> Treating sysV of "overly complex" against systemd is… quite intriguing
> (to stay polite and avoid referring to brain and other things;)
All of the above is opinion, not source code based, and has nothing at to
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:54:55 -0400
AW wrote:
> Yes... because I'm very sure that the official Debian repo is the only
> publicly available remote hosted location to find sysvinit source
> code... And, let's not forget that the sysvinit source is massive and
> so does not stand any chance of fitt
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
B wrote:
> As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
> is fundamentalism (of any kind), this thread is terminated for me.
AKA. I don't want to take the time to either learn systemd or try my hand at
writing excellent sysvin
On 8/28/14, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:46:28 +0200
> B wrote:
>
> > In other words: we won't have this choice very long.
>
> Yes... because I'm very sure that the official Debian repo is the only
> publicly
> available remote hosted location to find sysvinit source code... And,
> le
On Thursday 28 August 2014 14:59:09 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 8/28/14, B wrote:
> > This is why I took the nsa example: there's no consultation, no care
> > about people, and who knows what will happen after this stuff will
> > be hegemonic??…
>
> My dictionary brings up demonic, and hegemon
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 00:12:22 +1000
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Anyway... I suggest we all shake hands and make up ... systemd seems
> to be a ... how shall I say it? A somewhat -touching- experience.
Hear! Hear! Ignore the total ad-hominem.
And *hug*
And stop posting troll baiting nonsense about
This problem exists since 4 previous generations of Ubuntu. I just recently
switched it to Debian and get the same problem (not surprisingly). Switching
to some other version on Debian is not going to help.
Might the problem be acpi related?
$ dmesg | grep acpi
[0.197046] acpiphp: ACPI Hot Pl
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:03:55 -0700 (PDT)
Beeblebrox wrote:
> This problem exists since 4 previous generations of Ubuntu. I just
> recently switched it to Debian and get the same problem (not
> surprisingly). Switching to some other version on Debian is not going
> to help.
>
> Might the problem
AW writes:
> apt-get source sysvinit
> is all you need to type in order to compile your own init and run it
> on whatever machine you wish...
That's no help if 3/4 of your applications plus key functions such as
dbus require systemd or worse yet have been absorbed into it and then
changed in inco
>> Might the problem be acpi related?
> May be, try some kernel switches about it.
I placed on the linux line of grub.cfg
acpi=force lapic=debug
to no avail. Do you have any specific suggestions?
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
Beeblebrox wrote:
> I placed on the linux line of grub.cfg
> acpi=force lapic=debug
> to no avail. Do you have any specific suggestions?
Also try acpi=off (! may broke the boot)
Here's a bootparams list:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Sarunas Burdulis <
saru...@math.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
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>
> On 08/27/2014 03:36 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > I have a laptop that came with Windows 8.1, that uses "secure boot" (EFI)
> > and GPT partitions.
> >
> >
On 28/08/2014 16:58, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
On reboot, it went unconditionally to Windows 8.1. No signs of GRUB.
It seems I'm still missing something. I wonder what.
Kevin, is it worth cross-checking that the boot/BIOS is set up like this:
http://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch03s06.html#
Stefan Monnier writes:
> > One last step may be necessary : update the UUIDs in /etc/fstab and
> > /boot/grub/grub.cfg, as you created new volumes with new UUIDs instead
> > of cloning them. Or alternatively, change the UUIDs on the new disk with
> > tune2fs, mkswap... to match the ones on the old
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:10:01 PM UTC+5:30, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 25 aug 14, 07:47:54, Rusi Mody wrote:
> > Two related questions
> > aptitude tells me "upower and upower:i386 are recommended"
> > When I do
> > aptitude install upower upower:i386
> Could you please tell us what your
Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:15:00 +0100 Brian
napísal:
> On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 13:23:29 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>
> > > "launchpad bug 1258089" should bring up something.
> >
> > Nice. AS Lissi point us, i need only tell thanks, then:
> >
> > Big thanks for systemd maintainers, that they are p
Le 28/08/2014 16:10, AW a écrit :
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
> B wrote:
>
> > As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
> > is fundamentalism (of any kind), this thread is terminated for me.
>
> AKA. I don't want to take the time to either learn syst
On Lu, 25 aug 14, 07:47:54, Rusi Mody wrote:
> Question 1
>
> Given that multiarch only means multiarch libraries and not other 'normal'
> packages, this 'recommends' looks like a bug. Yes?
Well, multiarch is still new and aptitude's dependency resolution might
not cope with it. At this point (a
On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 20:37:41 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 28/08/2014 16:10, AW a écrit :
> > On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
> > B wrote:
> >
> > > As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
> > > is fundamentalism (of any kind), this thread is terminate
AW writes:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
> B wrote:
>
> > As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
> > is fundamentalism (of any kind), this thread is terminated for me.
>
> AKA. I don't want to take the time to either learn systemd or try my hand at
Le 28/08/2014 21:16, Brian a écrit :
> On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 20:37:41 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>
>> Le 28/08/2014 16:10, AW a écrit :
>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:02:02 +0200
>>> B wrote:
>>>
>>> > As all I stand up for is _freedom_ (of any kind) and as what I hate most
>>> > is fundamentalis
On 28/08/2014 19:34, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
Windows can't be the culprit -- it did not get control between the
grub-update and the reboot, and even the first reboot went right to
Windows. So there's something that GRUB failed to do.
That's a compelling remark.
But, might it be that Secure Boo
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:25:37 +0200
Erwan David wrote:
> it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
$man systemd
For compatibility with SysV, if systemd is called as init and a PID that is not
1, it will execute telinit and pass all command line arguments unmodified. That
means ini
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Ron Leach wrote:
> On 28/08/2014 16:58, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>
>>
>> On reboot, it went unconditionally to Windows 8.1. No signs of GRUB.
>> It seems I'm still missing something. I wonder what.
>>
>>
> Kevin, is it worth cross-checking that the boot/BIOS is set
Ooops. Ignore that trailing "did not work". It was offscreen as I edited.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Ron Leach wrote:
>
>> On 28/08/2014 16:58, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On reboot, it went unconditionally to Windows 8.1.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Ron Leach wrote:
> On 28/08/2014 19:34, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>
>> Windows can't be the culprit -- it did not get control between the
>> grub-update and the reboot, and even the first reboot went right to
>> Windows. So there's something that GRUB failed to do.
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:54:44 -0700
"Kevin O'Gorman" wrote:
> > This was no help. Only one suggestion was new to me: disabling fast
> startup in Windows. I did that but see no difference.
>
>
>
That may have been inspired by something I originally posted, but
wouldn't be relevant here. The e
On 08/28/2014 04:45 PM, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:54:44 -0700
> "Kevin O'Gorman" wrote:
>
>
>>> This was no help. Only one suggestion was new to me: disabling fast
>> startup in Windows. I did that but see no difference.
>>
>>
>>
> That may have been inspired by something I originall
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
>songbird wrote:
>>
>> based upon my recent attempt to jump versions
>> it's really much easier to back up your user data
>> and then reinstall.
...
>> if i'd had a more recent media download i
>> would have stopped after about a half hour of
>> attempts and just done th
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:58:50 -0400
PaulNM wrote:
> On 08/28/2014 04:45 PM, Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:54:44 -0700
> > "Kevin O'Gorman" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> This was no help. Only one suggestion was new to me: disabling
> >>> fast
> >> startup in Windows. I did that but see no diff
On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 21:25:37 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
I'll have to stop doing it then. Someone might explain to you what has
been explained many times before; I cannot be bothered.
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On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 19:17:46 +0200, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:15:00 +0100 Brian
> napísal:
>
> > On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 13:23:29 +0200, Slavko wrote:
> >
> > > > "launchpad bug 1258089" should bring up something.
> > >
> > > Nice. AS Lissi point us, i need only tell thanks, then
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 4:35 AM, AW wrote:
>
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:25:37 +0200
> Erwan David wrote:
>
> > it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd.
>
> $man systemd
>
>
> For compatibility with SysV, if systemd is called as init and a PID that is
> not
> 1, it will execute teli
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 05:51:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars
> > about systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on
> > this subject.
> >
> > Since
On 08/28/2014 07:23 AM, Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:47:19 +0100 Brian
napísal:
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 19:37:41 +0200, Slavko wrote:
please which Python version have to be default on Jessie? Will be
support for Python 2.7 dropped in it?
I read this from systemd changelog (208
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:45:12 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> Are you a sockpuppet arguing ironically? If so, which side do you
> support? Microsoft?
I guess you're not interested in the previous post about ad-hominem...
and... Oh! You mean unix sockets... hahaha! that's funny.
I'm on the FOSS side.
On 08/28/2014 06:49 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
emmanuel segura writes:
> Ciao a tutti,
>
> Aggiungo qualcosa anchio, anche se penso che il mio contributo non
> sara molto utile, comunque leggendo il link che stato postato prima,
> nel quale si parla del fatto che si possono avere pro
David Christensen writes:
> If I manually unmount Samba shared folders imported by this machine
> prior to shutdown, shutdown proceeds without delay. So, the problem
> appears to be related to the order in which things happen at shutdown
> (?).
>
> Any ideas on how to troubleshoot and properly f
Just wanted to chime in and say that this thread was very helpful to
me. I had the same issue with a mysterious eth0 entry showing up in
NetworkManager a minute or two every time after I woke up my laptop and
ruining connectivity. Very glad to have that working now!
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Sorry, address error.
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> On 29/ago/2014, at 02:06, Doug wrote:
>
>
>> On 08/28/2014 06:49 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> emmanuel segura writes:
>> > Ciao a tutti,
>> >
>> > Aggiungo qualcosa anchio, anche se penso che il mio contributo non
On Friday, August 29, 2014 12:20:04 AM UTC+5:30, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 25 aug 14, 07:47:54, Rusi Mody wrote:
> > Question 1
> > Given that multiarch only means multiarch libraries and not other 'normal'
> > packages, this 'recommends' looks like a bug. Yes?
> Well, multiarch is still new
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