Re: Lost high res desktop settings on vbox upgrade to 4.3.14

2014-07-21 Thread Harry Putnam
B writes: > On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:38:27 -0400 > Harry Putnam wrote: > >> Maybe. But nothing like that has ever been necessary before and >> that is thru several vb upgrades over a few months. > > I wouldn't be so straight: some months ago, after I duno remember > (change of monitor, I gues

What is this stuff ?

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
I see the following lines in my /var/log/messages Jul 21 09:05:58 nux28622 org.a11y.Bus[1674]: Activating service name='org.a11y.atspi.Registry' Jul 21 09:05:59 nux28622 org.a11y.Bus[1674]: Successfully activated service 'org.a11y.atspi.Registry' Jul 21 09:05:59 nux28622 org.a11y.atspi.R

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Joel Roth
Jonathan Dowland wrote: > You can install systemd to try it out before committing to it as your > default init system. Just install 'systemd' but not 'systemd-sysv' and > pass init=/bin/systemd to Linux via your boot manager. Hi all, FWIW, I just tried this with my amd64 sid system. Most things s

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread David Baron
On Monday 21 July 2014 05:42:09 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: > > You can install systemd to try it out before committing to it as your > > default init system. Just install 'systemd' but not 'systemd-sysv' and > > pass init=/bin/systemd to Linux via your boot manager. > > > >

Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 19 July 2014 23:34:28 Tom H wrote: >> >> To the OP: can't you install a supported and more recent chrome from >> google.com? > > Not on Squeeze. You have to update to at least Wheezy. Thanks. I assume that it's a shared library ver

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: >> >> This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those >> who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was >> decided and if you asked those who didn't want this s

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote: > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely, > this is very annoying On Fedora, v208 introduced "slice" units and I (and many others) had a problem at shutdown with the logged-in user's slice taking a long time to s

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Joe
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:04:04 -0400 Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU > wrote: > > On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: > >> > >> This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked > >> those who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't wha

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014, 07:30:40 schrieb Erwan David: > systemd-shim is no more an option in testing. the whole > systemd with all its bugs (very low shutdown, no suport for > policy-rc.d, etc..) is forced to users. > > It was said that we would have a choice. Were is the choice ? > > Wer

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko wrote: > Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim > napísal: >> On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote: >> >>> Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd. >> >> The alternative (on which policykit-1 depends on kfreebsd-*) is

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Erwan David wrote: > > systemd-shim is no more an option in testing. This is temporary. It's dependent on cgmanager being added to the archives. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said: > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote: > > > > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely, > > this is very annoying > > On Fedora, v208 introduced "slice" units and I (and many others) had a > probl

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:04:04 -0400 > Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU >> wrote: >>> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those who want

FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Joel Rees
I decided to do a search on "systemd openbsd" to see what reaction those friendly guys over there have, and I discovered the list of projects the openbsd team offered to mentor in this year's GSOC. Whether the student who decided to take on the modularization of systemd, to break all the gratuitou

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote: > systemd-shim is no more an option in testing. the whole > systemd with all its bugs (very low shutdown, no suport for > policy-rc.d, etc..) is forced to users. Of those apps which depend on it direct or indirectly. The debate has raged over and over and ove

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014, 07:30:40 schrieb Erwan David: > > Still… also hibernate and suspend with KDE is currently broken with sysvinit- > core. And systemd 208 just doesn´t boot my workstation at work, while it works > nicely with my l

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Erwan David wrote: > Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : >> On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote: >>> Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another >>> language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they u

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:08:31AM CEST, Tom H said: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko wrote: > > Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim > > napísal: > >> On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote: > >> > >>> Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd. > >

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said: >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote: >> >> >> > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails >> > completely, >> > this is very annoying >> >> On Fedora, v208 introduced "slice"

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
> > > > 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does > > ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply > > read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this > > defines a full fledge langaue, and I did not find any comprehensive do

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:49:11AM CEST, Zenaan Harkness said: > On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said: > >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote: > >> > >> > >> > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails > >> > c

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread David Baron
On Monday 21 July 2014 08:45:12 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: > Didn't a KDE maintainer say during the timeframe of CTTE init bug that > KDE might choose to depend in logind? So your laptop might need the > systemd-shim that depends on cgmanager. > > (Using "init=/sbin/init"

Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot

2014-07-21 Thread Ron Leach
On 20/07/2014 21:21, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Ron Leach a écrit : cannot fetch over the network Can't you just configure and activate eth0 manually ? If by DHCP : # dhclient eth0 If statically : # ifconfig eth0 netmask # route add default gw # echo nameserver >> /etc/resolv.conf # if needed

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-21 10:18 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > I switched today, and for me booting is slow, much slowzer than before. Run "systemd-analyze time" to see how long the boot actually took and "systemd-analyze blame" to see which units took the most time. > And booting is silent : almost no informa

Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot

2014-07-21 Thread Ron Leach
On 20/07/2014 21:21, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Ron Leach a écrit : Method 1: But Plugging in a USB CD-ROM isn't recognised on this (not quite working) Squeeze installation, What do you mean exactly ? Is there a /dev/srX device node ? If yes, try to manually mount it with mount on any temporary m

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:42:22 +1000 Zenaan Harkness napísal: > Rather than being so general, how about you own up to > what it is _you_ are trying to achieve with _your_ debian > install, and then your _specific_ problems might be > able to be addressed. > > Sounds like a more useful use

Re: Pin package to "any version, don't remove"?

2014-07-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 20 iul 14, 08:13:30, The Wanderer wrote: > > What I was aiming at with the version-number wildcard is to let a single > pinning stanza work repeatedly, for different fglrx-driver versions, > without need for manual intervention. Would it be acceptable to pin to a release? Something like P

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote: >> > 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does >> > ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply >> > read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this >> > defines a full fledge langaue, and I did

Re: Twitter-Client

2014-07-21 Thread Veljko
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, wi wrote: > Hi you all, > > can you tell me a working twitter-client for debian wheezy? Hi Lars, Choqok[1] works just fine if you want GUI. I'm using it from time to time. Also, +1 for ttytter if you want console based client. [1]http://www.kde.org/application

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/21/14, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:42:22 +1000 Zenaan Harkness > napísal: > >> Rather than being so general, how about you own up to >> what it is _you_ are trying to achieve with _your_ debian >> install, and then your _specific_ problems might be >> able to be address

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:15:42PM CEST, Zenaan Harkness said: > On 7/21/14, Erwan David wrote: > >> > 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does > >> > ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply > >> > read this. The namles of the sections are

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Erwan David wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:36:30PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland said: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 03:09:40PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: Problem is where do we get the knowledge to repair mannually ? I do noit see it in /usr/share/doc/systemd nor in the crossreference man pages, nor an

Re: Pin package to "any version, don't remove"?

2014-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/21/2014 06:18 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 20 iul 14, 08:13:30, The Wanderer wrote: > >> What I was aiming at with the version-number wildcard is to let a >> single pinning stanza work repeatedly, for different fglrx-driver >> versions,

init spawning multiple cf-execd processes at once

2014-07-21 Thread Jimmy Thrasibule
Hi, I've added a new line to the /etc/inittab file to monitor the CFEngine daemon and restart it in case this one dies. cfe:2345:respawn:/var/cfengine/bin/cf-execd The cf-execd is re-spawned as expected, except the fact that multiple processes are created at once. I therefore have about 20+

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2014-07-21, Erwan David wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:36:30PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland > said: (...) >> This and more excellent documentation at >> https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Configuring_for_testing > > I do not have the ressources to test : no time no machine which I can afford >

Re: FWIW: the modularization of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/21/2014 04:24 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > I decided to do a search on "systemd openbsd" to see what reaction > those friendly guys over there have, and I discovered the list of > projects the openbsd team offered to mentor in this year's GSOC. Lin

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 02:26:44PM CEST, Liam O'Toole said: > On 2014-07-21, Erwan David wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:36:30PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland > > said: > > (...) > > >> This and more excellent documentation at > >> https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Configuring_for_testing > > >

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:30:40AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > systemd-shim is no more an option in testing. the whole > systemd with all its bugs (very low shutdown, no suport for > policy-rc.d, etc..) is forced to users. > > It was said that we would have a choice. Were is the choice ? "t

Re: a simple script for restoring downloaded debs

2014-07-21 Thread songbird
Curt wrote: >Chris Bannister wrote: >> >> Are you aware of snapshot.debian.org? Save yourself time and anxiety. :) yes aware. no anxiety. > I believe he wants to keep things local due to a slow and/or problematic > internet connection. right. songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to d

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014, 08:16:57 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > Erwan David wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:36:30PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland said: > >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 03:09:40PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > >>> Problem is where do we get the knowledge to repair mannually ? I do noit > >>

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread green
Andrei POPESCU wrote at 2014-07-20 09:11 -0500: > You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to > switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using > upstart anyway). > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption Also Gentoo (according to the arti

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:26:43AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > BULLSHIT !! testing withoput doc does not replace knowledge. That's diy > computing, that's not serious. When I reasd this Please moderate your behaviour on this list. Please see [1] and [2] to learn what is acceptable and what is not

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:13:26 +1000 Zenaan Harkness napísal: > On 7/21/14, Slavko wrote: > > > > Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:42:22 +1000 Zenaan Harkness > > napísal: > > > So I suggested he stick to Debian stable.

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 16:08:25 +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:55:09PM +, Curt wrote: > > > > I understood that he is using Mutt's native smtp support and the default > > exim configuration, which only handles local mail, I believe. > > > > Maybe an attempt to send ma

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread songbird
Tom H wrote: >Joe wrote: ... >> There will only be a few who claim that jumping a release is a great >> thing to do. > > There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was > a typical thread where the pro and con make their points but no > decision's reached. That discussion'll

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
green wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote at 2014-07-20 09:11 -0500: You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using upstart anyway). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption Also Gentoo (according to the

Re: Copy machine?

2014-07-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 06:25:40PM +0200, Chris wrote: > Hi Martin, > > On 07/18/2014 07:43 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:45:13 schrieb Chris: > > Depends on how the initrd is built. > > That's interesting. I thought initrd was essentially for hard disk > drivers

Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot

2014-07-21 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-21, Ron Leach wrote: > Pascal, thank you. Indeed I can - I hadn't known that was a possible > method. Worked, and now able to access remotely which will make > things faster. > > Package ifupdown is missing, though. > # apt-get install ifupdown > replies: I don't believe it is mis

Re: What is this stuff ?

2014-07-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:30:34AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > I see the following lines in my /var/log/messages > > Jul 21 09:05:58 nux28622 org.a11y.Bus[1674]: Activating service > name='org.a11y.atspi.Registry' > Jul 21 09:05:59 nux28622 org.a11y.Bus[1674]: Successfully activated service

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Joe
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:37:40 -0400 Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > There will only be a few who claim that jumping a release is a great > > thing to do. > > There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was > a typical thread where the pr

unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors

2014-07-21 Thread Sharon Kimble
I am totally unable to access two websites that are very important to me, they're my own! And they are both listed in the sig of this email. I have tried with the following browsers - chromium, google-chrome, iceweasel, konqueror, opera, midori, qupzilla, conkeror, links, and in all of them I get

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 08:16:57AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > That does capture things in a nutshell. Some of us actually run Debian in > production, server environments - and have enough issues keeping things up > for our users. As someone pointed out a little earlier: > > "No where, just "

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:26:43AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > I do not have the ressources to test : no time no machine which I can afford > to break. > > And since today syste,md-shim is no more an option (aptitude wants to remove > it) > > I do not want to test. I want to be surze it wor

Re: unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors

2014-07-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 03:30:02PM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: > > I am totally unable to access two websites that are very important to > me, they're my own! And they are both listed in the sig of this email. I > have tried with the following browsers - chromium, google-chrome, > iceweasel, konqu

Re: init spawning multiple cf-execd processes at once

2014-07-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:39:16 +0200 Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: > Hi, > > I've added a new line to the /etc/inittab file to monitor the CFEngine > daemon and restart it in case this one dies. > > cfe:2345:respawn:/var/cfengine/bin/cf-execd > > The cf-execd is re-spawned as expected, except the

Re: unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors

2014-07-21 Thread Tom Furie
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 03:30:02PM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: > > I am totally unable to access two websites that are very important to > me, they're my own! And they are both listed in the sig of this email. I > have tried with the following browsers - chromium, google-chrome, > iceweasel, konqu

Re: unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors

2014-07-21 Thread Curt
On 2014-07-21, Sharon Kimble wrote: http://www.tgmeds.org.uk/ http://www.sharons.org.uk/ I get 502 Bad Gateway nginx/1.2.1 for both sites. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:11:21 +0100 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:30:40AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > systemd-shim is no more an option in testing. the whole > > systemd with all its bugs (very low shutdown, no suport for > > policy-rc.d, etc..) is forced to users. > >

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 04:34:16PM CEST, Chris Bannister said: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:26:43AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > > > I do not have the ressources to test : no time no machine which I can > > afford to break. > > > > And since today syste,md-shim is no more an option (aptitude

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Joe
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 02:34:16 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:26:43AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > > > I do not have the ressources to test : no time no machine which I > > can afford to break. > > > > And since today syste,md-shim is no more an option (aptitude wants

testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : Ahoj, it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing and productive usage (question

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014, 08:16:57 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Erwan David wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:36:30PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland said: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 03:09:40PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: Problem is where do we get the knowledge to repair mannually ?

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 08:16:57AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: That does capture things in a nutshell. Some of us actually run Debian in production, server environments - and have enough issues keeping things up for our users. As someone pointed out a little earlier: "

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2014-07-21, Erwan David wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 02:26:44PM CEST, Liam O'Toole > said: >> On 2014-07-21, Erwan David wrote: >> > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:36:30PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland >> > said: >> >> (...) >> >> >> This and more excellent documentation at >> >> https://wiki.d

Re: mutt can't send mail (Interrupted system call)

2014-07-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 02:33:50PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 16:08:25 +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:55:09PM +, Curt wrote: > > > > > > I understood that he is using Mutt's native smtp support and the default > > > exim configuration, which only

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
Le 21/07/2014 17:59, Liam O'Toole a écrit : > On 2014-07-21, Erwan David wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 02:26:44PM CEST, Liam O'Toole >> said: >>> On 2014-07-21, Erwan David wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:36:30PM CEST, Jonathan Dowland said: >>> (...) >>> > This and more e

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said: >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote: >>> >>> Booting is fast >> >> That's one of the development goals. > > I switched today, and for me booting is slow, much slowzer than b

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Erwan David wrote: > > libpam-systemd now refuses systemd-shim (with v208 in testing)... You must be skipping emails in this thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@l

Re: init spawning multiple cf-execd processes at once

2014-07-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:56:13AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:39:16 +0200 > Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've added a new line to the /etc/inittab file to monitor the CFEngine > > daemon and restart it in case this one dies. > > > > cfe:2345:respawn:/var/

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:35 AM, David Baron wrote: > On Monday 21 July 2014 08:45:12 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org > wrote: >> >> (Using "init=/sbin/init" on the kernel cmdline will boot systemd if >> you have systemd-sysv installed.) > > More and more complicated, huh? > Will this

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Erwan David wrote: >>> 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does >>> ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply >>> read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this >>> defines a full fledge

Re: Lenny -> Squeeze -> Wheezy; no eth0 on Squeeze reboot

2014-07-21 Thread Ron Leach
On 21/07/2014 15:22, Curt wrote: I think to move forward you should solve those apt errors, which are probably the source of many, if not all, of the problems you are encountering. Curt, I thought the same. The sources list is now fixed. In case anyone hits the same problem in copying the

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM, wrote: > Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : >> >> it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing >> users. > > I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at > least), so we could imagine that different MLs for

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-21 Thread David Guntner
Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > There is one > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ > > but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily > used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Neither is this one, but that doesn't seem to stop people...

Re: Copy machine?

2014-07-21 Thread Chris
Dear Steve, On 07/18/2014 09:37 PM, Steve Kemp wrote: > This is pretty much it. I've migrated from Xen, and KVM, to real > physical machines. I'm using VirtualBox. The guest has no special kernel. > If you perform the fixups it should work. Off the top of my head > the changes you'll nee

Re: Several systemd annoyances [was: Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd]

2014-07-21 Thread sp113438
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:23:36 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 20 iul 14, 04:33:34, sp113438 wrote: > > My main problems on Sid with systemd: > > > > 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails > > completely, this is very annoying > > I used to have this due to NFS mounts

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said: >>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote: Booting is fast >>> That's one of the development goals. >> I switched today, and for me b

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:37:40 -0400 Tom H wrote: >> >> There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was >> a typical thread where the pro and con make their points but no >> decision's reached. That discussion'll be back because

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in production. I'm > looking down the road a year and planning what I will use in production when > my current system is ready for upgrade. It's looking less and less like > Debian,

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, David Guntner wrote: > Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >> >> There is one >> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ >> >> but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily >> used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about syste

Re: unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors

2014-07-21 Thread Tim Beelen
Hello, There is not a whole lot to run with, but if you're running php5-fpm, either php5-fpm isn't running, or check if the following permissions are set correctly: $ ls -hal /var/run/php5-fpm.sock srw-rw 1 www-data www-data 0 Jul 19 18:37 /var/run/php5-fpm.sock Because the permissions mi

Re: unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors

2014-07-21 Thread Tim Beelen
Hey Sharon, There is not a whole lot to run with, but if you're running php5-fpm, either php5-fpm isn't running, or check if the following permissions are set correctly: $ ls -hal /var/run/php5-fpm.sock srw-rw 1 www-data www-data 0 Jul 19 18:37 /var/run/php5-fpm.sock Because the permissio

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-21 Thread David Guntner
Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, David Guntner wrote: >> Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >>> >>> There is one >>> >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ >>> >>> but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily >>> used list and tha

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 iul 14, 04:04:04, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU > > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status > > > > Direct upgrades from Debian releases older than 6.0 (squeeze) are > > not supported. Please follow

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in production. I'm looking down the road a year and planning what I will use in production when my current system is ready for upgrade. It's looking less and less like De

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Joe
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:00:01 -0400 Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman > wrote: > > > > Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in > > production. I'm looking down the road a year and planning what I > > will use in production when my current system is

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Erwan David
Le 21/07/2014 21:33, Joe a écrit : > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:00:01 -0400 > Tom H wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman >> wrote: >>> Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in >>> production. I'm looking down the road a year and planning what I >>> will use i

authentification pb after a 'messed up " upgrade [sid]

2014-07-21 Thread laurent debian
hi all, Yesterday I finally upgraded my sid which I did not do for a while (i.e : +- 800 ppackages ) since I was lazy I did not notice aptitude was proposing to delete the all kde in order to do the upgrade. Since this is the D.E. I use i just reinstall it after next boot. But now I canno

Re: unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors

2014-07-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 21 July 2014 15:59:12 Curt wrote: > On 2014-07-21, Sharon Kimble wrote: > > http://www.tgmeds.org.uk/ > http://www.sharons.org.uk/ > > I get > > 502 Bad Gateway > nginx/1.2.1 > > for both sites. I see both, what seems to be, correctly. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-re

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 iul 14, 21:54:48, Erwan David wrote: > Le 21/07/2014 21:33, Joe a écrit : > > Let us hope so. Tonight's upgrade to sid requires the removal of > > sysvinit-core... > > > > libpam-systemd 204 depends systemd-sysv|systemd-shim > libpam-systemd 208 depends systemd-sysv > > Alternative disa

Re: init spawning multiple cf-execd processes at once

2014-07-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 04:46:37 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:56:13AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:39:16 +0200 > > Jimmy Thrasibule wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've added a new line to the /etc/inittab file to monitor the > > > CFEngine daem

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-21 Thread Paul E Condon
I use Wheezy. I have been using Debian since Potato, as I remember, I started with Debian just after Y2K. I started out to write about the debian-testing ML but first I need help with a crazyness in my mail system that I just noticed, and must be a reinstall of wheezy that I completed a few days ag

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 07/21/2014 04:34 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:26:43AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: I do not have the ressources to test : no time no machine which I can afford to break. And since today syste,md-shim is no more an option (aptitude wants to remove it) I do not want to

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Joe
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:19:54 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 21 iul 14, 21:54:48, Erwan David wrote: > > Le 21/07/2014 21:33, Joe a écrit : > > > Let us hope so. Tonight's upgrade to sid requires the removal of > > > sysvinit-core... > > > > > > > libpam-systemd 204 depends systemd-sysv|sys

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 22.07.2014 00:21, schrieb Joe: > So I plugged in the drive, and suddenly it all burst into life. Well, > nearly all, no networking, which is a bit limiting for a workstation... > > This drive has its own fstab entries by UUID, as it often gets plugged > into this desktop. My assumption is that

SOLVED [Re: unable to access website, getting "502 Bad Gateway" errors]

2014-07-21 Thread Sharon Kimble
Thanks for all the ideas and help folks, I'm back in and regained control again. The problem seems to be related to a corrupted database entry from a plugin. With the plugin disabled I can get back in, and now to find out why it went rogue. Thanks again folks. Sharon. Lisi Reisz writes: > On M

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/21/2014 06:46 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 22.07.2014 00:21, schrieb Joe: > >> So I plugged in the drive, and suddenly it all burst into life. >> Well, nearly all, no networking, which is a bit limiting for a >> workstation... >> >> This dr

Re: manual Packages file download?

2014-07-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Zenaan Harkness wrote: > BTW, my entire sources.list file is th single line: > deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian sid main contrib non-free > Now trying with http instead of ftp... > ... > TADA! Works fine. Note that if you are running sid that it is recommended to also include testing in t

Nouveau Resume from Suspend/Hibernate Screen Corruption

2014-07-21 Thread Dan Sommers
Greetings, I just upgraded from the proprietary nvidia video driver to nouveau, and now I am experiencing another variation of a screen corruption issue when resuming from suspend/hibernate. When I resume, the screen saver takes over, and then I enter my password, and everything seems to work, ex