Re: what is the easist way to transfering files on Ethernet?

2006-05-02 Thread Michael M.
Curt Howland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 29 April 2006 22:37, Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: I have just set up a network of 2 PCs using Ethernet connection, both running Linux. How to transfer files between them? There are m

Re: escape a string literal for use with regex?

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
David Purton wrote: > How can I escape a string literal easily for use as a regex with grep? > > e.g., > > Say I wanted to implement a procmail killfile, that might, say contain a > mail subject line (dropped in with a mutt macro) like this: > > Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract] > > (Hypot

Re: manually purge .deb file

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Monday 01 May 2006 12:34, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>dpkg --purge firefox-1.5.en-us.linux > > hello, my previous command was aptitude install libgtk2.0-0 , sorry about > that. here is dpkg --purge result > > # dpkg --purge firefox-1.5.en-us.linux > dpkg: error p

Re: freemind

2006-05-02 Thread Eric Lavarde - Private
Hi, it's pretty easy: somewhere in /etc/apt/preferences, you must have set the priority of ftp://gulus.usherbrooke.ca to 1001, which, if I remember well, allows downgrade of software. By setting my depot eric.lavar.de to 9, you've as well removed yourself the possibility to get updates from them (

Re: manually purge .deb file

2006-05-02 Thread Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Monday 01 May 2006 12:34, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> dpkg --purge firefox-1.5.en-us.linux > hello, my previous command was aptitude install libgtk2.0-0 , sorry about > that. here is dpkg --purge result > > # dpkg --pur

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread John O'Hagan
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 03:24, Curt Howland wrote: >[...] > The only difference between you and I is that what we consider beyond > the "legitimate" reach of government is different. [...] That is true; I think we have misjudged eachother; I am also an anarchist (although a collectivist one), but

Re: escape a string literal for use with regex?

2006-05-02 Thread David Purton
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:01:02AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > David Purton wrote: > > How can I escape a string literal easily for use as a regex with grep? > > > > e.g., > > > > Say I wanted to implement a procmail killfile, that might, say contain a > > mail subject line (dropped in wit

LDAP: ultrapossum-server or slapd?

2006-05-02 Thread Gezim Hoxha
Hi all :) I'm completely new to LDAP and the whole directory services thing. What I want to do is have evolution calendar (for example) and egroupware calendar synchronize automatically. So, I heard that I could allow LDAP to be the storage system (is that term correct?). However, the problem is

drupal package status?

2006-05-02 Thread Erik Steffl
Any ideas what's the status of drupal package in debian? drupal 4.6.x is tagged pending (for about a year), maintainer said he has no time, drupal version 4.7.0 is out now but if there's no update it's going to be hard to update (drupal site recommends to upgrade to 4.7 only from 4.6)

Re: copying a 12GB file

2006-05-02 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-04-27 14:15:10, schrieb Ken Walker: > > smbmount //other_machines_IP_or_name/share_name /mnt/c -o > lfs,username=blah,password=blah > > the lfs in the middle gives samba Large File Support. I couldn't copy > anything bigger than 2Gig without it ...or use scp > Ken Greetings Michell

Re: Offensive e-mail received

2006-05-02 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1146225401 past the epoch, Mike McCarty wrote: > Err, I'd rather report it to the ISP of the originator, if it's > really truly patently and deliberately offensive. Fair enough, but why copy the list in? -- Jon Dowland http://alcopop.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: escape a string literal for use with regex?

2006-05-02 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1146586566 past the epoch, David Purton wrote: > How can I escape a string literal easily for use as a regex with grep? If you feed it through perl, you can enclose the suspect string with \Q and \E. Here's an excerpt from a perl script which I generate my procmail recipes with: $reexp

Re: Problems installing Debian on old laptop

2006-05-02 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1146526816 past the epoch, Piers Kittel wrote: > Anyway, I've put the old 3GB hard drive back in, installed > Windows 98 on, and Debian boots up (with the default 2.6 > kernel with no parameters whatsover) and installing fine > right now without any problems. Probably some BIOS > limitation wit

Re: packages cannot be authenticated

2006-05-02 Thread Magnus Therning
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:36:13PM -0500, John Biederstedt wrote: >Hi >When installing packages with apt-get, I get the message "WARNING: The >following packages cannot be authenticated!". I installed the key from >http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc into root's (and my own) >keyring wi

Re: LV Device Missing

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Petts
On 2006-04-29, Morten O. Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also have this, happens almost every time. Do you use a custom kernel? No, it's a stock-standard Debian kernel. > I use LVM for all my partitions (except /boot), and the only way to have > it boot *every* time, is to put in a cd (afte

Re: rerunning autodetect

2006-05-02 Thread Mark Tilford
On 5/1/06, Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 09:29:21PM -0500, Mark Tilford wrote: > On 4/30/06, James Westby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On (30/04/06 18:35), Mark Tilford wrote: > >> On 4/29/06, Mark Tilford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >For various reaso

amd64 port?

2006-05-02 Thread Cem Kamil Kulekci
Hi all, I want to setup my new server (amd 64). But there is only unofficial port to amd64 (31r0a, seems old). Is this really stable enough for server use as i386? Any experiences? thanks Cem

Re: Solved: Setting keyboard preferences in Gnome (etch) makes system hang up and prevents loging in from GDM

2006-05-02 Thread Andrius A__trauskas
On Tue, 02 May 2006 12:17:48 +0700 Surachai Locharoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry, replied directly to your e-mail... Andrius > Could you specify a detail about the text which should be added to > xorg.conf please? > > Kan Here's the part of my xorg.conf: Section "InputDevice" Ide

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How about food and clothing? Should the community "provide" those? How > about transportation? Yes, local phone service, too. Everything needed to get people off the streets and give them a chance to take care of themselfes. > If people are c

Re: dhclient acting up -- loss of IP address

2006-05-02 Thread Tom Allison
Mumia W wrote: Tom Allison wrote: I have a problem with my dhclient on my debian box. It keeps picking up an IP address and then losing it in a few seconds. [...] Could it be that you accidentally installed the zeroconf package? I did install zeroconf, it was brought in as a Add-in base

Re: amd64 port?

2006-05-02 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Cem Kamil Kulekci wrote: I want to setup my new server (amd 64). But there is only unofficial port to amd64 (31r0a, seems old). Is this really stable enough for server use as i386? Any experiences? i386 is just an architecture, it's not more, or less, stable that any of the other 12 or so arch

Re: rerunning autodetect

2006-05-02 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:45:28 -0500, Mark Tilford wrote: > On 5/1/06, Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 09:29:21PM -0500, Mark Tilford wrote: [...] > >> The /etc/network/devices lines related to eth0 were: > >> auto eth0 > >> iface eth0 inet dhcp > >> > >

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Matthew R. Dempsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can understand that viewpoint, but I still dislike the premise that > they can be provided only be the government itself. If the government > must involve itself, I'd like to see it encouraging competition among > providers of these services

Re: dhclient acting up -- loss of IP address

2006-05-02 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:23:57 -0400, Tom Allison wrote: > Mumia W wrote: > >Tom Allison wrote: > > > >>I have a problem with my dhclient on my debian box. > >> > >>It keeps picking up an IP address and then losing it in a few seconds. > >>[...] > > > > > >Could it be that you accidentally instal

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Rich Johnson
On May 2, 2006, at 1:01 AM, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 04:14:08PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote: O.K. But, your assertion was that Clinton used the military _more_ than the previous _five_ presidents put together. Oh man, you caught him! Having only the _same_ number of

Re: Etch on USB-HD wont boot - race condition?

2006-05-02 Thread George Hein
Kai Olsen wrote: Hi list. I'm trying to get etch to boot from an USB-attached harddisk on my notebook but the kernel cannot find the root filesystem. It seems to me, that udev hasn't finished its job by the time the kernel wants to read from the disk so /dev/sda isn't defined yet. Any ideas

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Rich Johnson
On May 2, 2006, at 2:35 AM, Mike McCarty wrote: Several years ago (like 1988 or so) the US gov't published per capita spending in the public schools by State, along with graduation rates. Interestingly enough, there was a significant correlation between per capita spending and graduation rates.

RE: escape a string literal for use with regex?

2006-05-02 Thread Roberts, Andy
> David Purton wrote: > > I need something automatic though. I have no control on what formail > returns. It just returns the subject as a string. I need to be able to > search for that string in the killfile just using literals and not > caring about regex. Can you not just use grep -F? To use y

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Rich Johnson
Oh, so the objection is to _dissident_ poltical teaching. Heaven forbid that high school students should be challenged to think and decide for themselves. Uh, no, try again. The problem in this case there was political speech at all during a GEOGRAPHY lesson. In this case it was a

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Rich Johnson
On May 2, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...snip...] If people are concerned about their ability to pay for education individually, they can form co-ops. Basically, you are subsidizing other people's kids going to school. Even if i

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Lamb
Rich Johnson wrote: > Do any schools have _separate_ History and Geography classes? In my day, yes. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+-

Re: rerunning autodetect

2006-05-02 Thread Mark Tilford
On 5/2/06, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:45:28 -0500, Mark Tilford wrote: > On 5/1/06, Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 09:29:21PM -0500, Mark Tilford wrote: [...] > >> The /etc/network/devices lines related to eth0

Re: effectiveness of rsync and apt

2006-05-02 Thread A Mennucc
hi I did a similar thing some time ago; I used 'xdelta' on two versions of kernel and of tetex; the results were impressive; I could prepare a 'debdiff' that was < 10% (AFAICR) of the size, and that would recreate an exact copy of the new version of the package, given the previous version of the p

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread hendrik
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 05:22:56PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > Doesn't that make you feel cheap, though? I mean, I can understand if > you are unemployed or if you have fallen on hard times financially. > However, I don't particularly like the fact that I and my neighbors > (very few of

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread hendrik
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:22:30AM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > How about food and clothing? Should the community "provide" those? How > > about transportation? > > Yes, local phone service, too. Everything needed to get people off > th

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 01 May 2006 21:02, Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > The public schools in the United States spend MORE THAN $10,000 > > (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) per student EACH YEAR, EVERY YEAR, and > > it's only going up. > > Why is

RE: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Fisher, Jason
Has anyone commented on the notion that gun control only keeps guns out of law-abiding citizens? This idea that you can take guns away from everyone hasn't been proven to work anywhere. > -Original Message- > From: Matthias Julius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread hendrik
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:00:34PM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It just shows that not everyone could pay his children's tuition with > the money he is contributing to the public school system. Of course, > since everyones contribution is directly or

Re: Solved: Setting keyboard preferences in Gnome (etch) makes system hang up and prevents loging in from GDM

2006-05-02 Thread Rick Reynolds
Here's the part of my xorg.conf: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules""xorg" Option "XkbModel""pc105" Option "XkbLayou

Re: packages cannot be authenticated

2006-05-02 Thread John Biederstedt
I had already installed the debian keyring (sorry I neglected to mention that), and these are the keys it installed (apt-key list): 1024R/1DB114E0 1024D/4F368D5D 1024D/2D230C5F The problem persisted - however, now it doesn't happen. I had apt-get reinstall a couple of packages that consistantly

Re: Solved: Setting keyboard preferences in Gnome (etch) makes system hang up and prevents loging in from GDM

2006-05-02 Thread Rick Reynolds
Looking at this a bit more, I see that I've been coached in this (in the thread I started titled "problems in gnome/gdm after weekend etch upgrade"). Andrius A__trauskas wrote: I had the same. It seems to happen only if there is any keyboard configuration set in Gnome, or if you try to set it

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread hendrik
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 05:31:29PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > No. That is the point. By definition, government has no incentive to > be efficient. I don't recall ever having seen inefficiency as a defining property of government. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PR

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 01 May 2006 21:02, Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > The same is true for drugs and other controlled substances.  Would > you vote making them freely available? At every opportunity. If you don't approve, then don't us

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread hendrik
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:27:46PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Matthias Julius wrote: > > themselfes. Then a while later when they are upset or drunk they find > > they have a gun handy and do harm somebody else. > > Presumably if the "somebody else" hadn't been disarmed in the futile > effort

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:22:30AM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: >> While co-ops might help somewhat I don't think they are the solution. >> What does it help when a bunch of poor guys form a co-op? They still >> would not have funds to send their kids to a private sch

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Rich Johnson
On May 2, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: Rich Johnson wrote: Do any schools have _separate_ History and Geography classes? In my day, yes. You could take History and Geography at the same time? My history & politics curriculum was: 9th grade (14yr old students) - ''Geography''

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Lamb
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't recall ever having seen inefficiency as a defining property of > government. Do you recall efficiency as a defining property? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do...

Re: Solved: Setting keyboard preferences in Gnome (etch) makes system hang up and prevents loging in from GDM

2006-05-02 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Tue, 02 May 2006 09:06:15 -0400 Rick Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looking at this a bit more, I see that I've been coached in this (in > the thread I started titled "problems in gnome/gdm after weekend etch > upgrade"). > > Andrius A__trauskas wrote: > > >I had the same. It seems to

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
Rich Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On May 2, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> [...snip...] >>> If people are concerned about their ability to pay for education >>> individually, they can form co-ops. Basically, you are su

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread hendrik
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 09:24:39AM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:22:30AM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> While co-ops might help somewhat I don't think they are the solution. > >> What does it help when a bunch of poor guys form a co-

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>>Cybe R. Wizard wrote: >>> US $9,900,000,000 (billion) profits /by one oil company/ in one quarter when retail prices were skyrocketing. Does that seem like the >>

Re: xorg upgrade error

2006-05-02 Thread Andrew Nelson
Tim wrote: > Andrew Nelson wrote: > > >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365282 >> >> I was able to fix this problem by getting the deb source, applying the >> patch and building the deb and finally installing the newly build deb. >> >> //andy >> > I've downloaded the source and

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem is that public schools are very wasteful. Is there no way of improving this? There were examples of public schools brought up in this thread that actually do work. > With private schools all competing for the market, I can virtually

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>>Matthias Julius wrote: >>> Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >For $200, you can get the Robinson Curriculum, a complete K-12 home

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: >> >> How do you recognize well-intentioned and law-abiding citizens? What >> makes this difficult is that people change. They buy a gun as a >> well-intentioned and law-abiding citizen in case they need to defend >> them

Re: amd64 port?

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Cem Kamil Kulekci wrote: > >> I want to setup my new server (amd 64). But there is only unofficial >> port to amd64 (31r0a, seems old). Is this really stable enough for >> server use as i386? Any experiences? > > > i386 is just an architecture, it's not more, or less, s

Re: dhclient acting up -- loss of IP address

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Florian Kulzer wrote: > > apt-cache --installed rdepends zeroconf > > will tell you which packages on your system have listed zeroconf in > their "depends", "recommends" or "suggests" fields. Zeroconf often > sneaks in via kdenetwork --depends--> kdnssd --depends--> libnss-mdns > --recommends-->

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Rich Johnson wrote: > > On May 2, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: > >> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> [...snip...] >> >>> If people are concerned about their ability to pay for education >>> individually, they can form co-ops. Basically, you are subsidizing >>> o

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Matthias Julius wrote: > "Matthew R. Dempsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>I can understand that viewpoint, but I still dislike the premise that >>they can be provided only be the government itself. If the government >>must involve itself, I'd like to see it encouraging competition among

keeping the same packages on multiple machines

2006-05-02 Thread Adam Black
Hi I am running a P4 desktop and a centrino notebook with Debian sid and I wanted to know what the best way is to keep the same set of packages installed on both machines. For the initial setup of the laptop, can I install a base system and then rsync /usr and /var/lib/dpkg from the desktop, or

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthias Julius wrote: > >> Maybe if noone had a gun to threaten you with you wouldn't need one to >> defend yourself? > > So then what about carving knives, chainsaws, baseball bats, > automobiles... I didn't say violence would cease to exist. >

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, now for some numbers based in reality. My alma mater... Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. Total spending, federal state and local, divided by the number of students: more than $10,000. The fact that your lo

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 05:22:56PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>Doesn't that make you feel cheap, though? I mean, I can understand if >>you are unemployed or if you have fallen on hard times financially. >>However, I don't particularly like the fact that I and m

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > To the bottom. Exactly where education goes when it is funded by tiny > municipalities. There will be a few rich communities that pay for rich > education, and there will be impoverished ones that provide > impoverished or no education. That said, even the rich m

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 May 2006 01:38, Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > How do you recognize well-intentioned and law-abiding citizens? Demonstrate harm. If someone hasn't harmed you or anyone else, it's a pretty good indication that t

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > But local funding *is* what you get if it is the rich that > effectively control politics. Why should *their* taxes fund other > communities? > Not only that. Many rich people (and even not so rich people) who donate money/resources/goods to schools do so at the

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Fisher, Jason wrote: > Has anyone commented on the notion that gun control only keeps guns out > of law-abiding citizens? This idea that you can take guns away from > everyone hasn't been proven to work anywhere. No. Many of the arguments in this thread have been emotional and anecdotal. Facts

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Fisher, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Has anyone commented on the notion that gun control only keeps guns out > of law-abiding citizens? This idea that you can take guns away from > everyone hasn't been proven to work anywhere. Nobody said you could take guns away from everyone. But yo

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 May 2006 02:09, "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > - Public schools become a ground for experimenting with social > policy (look at the "progressive" military personnel policies > during the Clinton administrati

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 05:31:29PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>No. That is the point. By definition, government has no incentive to >>be efficient. > > > I don't recall ever having seen inefficiency as a defining property of > government. > Please see the

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Matthias Julius wrote: >> >>- they are selling more than before >>- it is costing *more* to get the oil out of the ground > > > I doubt this cost has gone up 50% in the last year. > So what? It is a free market. If there is more demand, then they can charge more. Ever try to get a hotel room

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Matthias Julius wrote: > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>The problem is that public schools are very wasteful. > > > Is there no way of improving this? There were examples of public > schools brought up in this thread that actually do work. > Again, the problem is that

Re: Etch on USB-HD wont boot - race condition?

2006-05-02 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 09:10:20AM -0400, George Hein wrote: > Kai Olsen wrote: > >Hi list. > > > >I'm trying to get etch to boot from an USB-attached harddisk on my > >notebook but the kernel cannot find the root filesystem. It seems to > >me, that udev hasn't finished its job by the time the ke

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Matthias Julius wrote: > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>Then that's what you would do with private education. > > > I thought you were suggesting home schooling. > Either private education or homeschool. Either way, it's not like the penalty levied on people now becuase t

Re: keeping the same packages on multiple machines

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Adam Black wrote: > Hi > > I am running a P4 desktop and a centrino notebook with Debian sid and > I wanted to know what the best way is to keep the same set of packages > installed on both machines. For the initial setup of the laptop, can > I install a base system and then rsync /usr and /var/l

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Matthias Julius wrote: > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>Matthias Julius wrote: >> >>>How do you recognize well-intentioned and law-abiding citizens? What >>>makes this difficult is that people change. They buy a gun as a >>>well-intentioned and law-abiding citizen in cas

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Matthias Julius wrote: > "Fisher, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>Has anyone commented on the notion that gun control only keeps guns out >>of law-abiding citizens? This idea that you can take guns away from >>everyone hasn't been proven to work anywhere. > > > Nobody said you could

Re: Social Contract

2006-05-02 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
All your assumptions about me and the licence in question are plainly wrong. I don't know how you come around knowing about my licence, European and German law and apparently everything else better than anyone else on the list (and probalby on earth.) Mike McCarty wrote: Johannes Wiedersich w

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Rich Johnson
On May 2, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Rich Johnson wrote: On May 2, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...snip...] If people are concerned about their ability to pay for education individually, they can form co-ops.

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread toshiro
Hey guys! Have you realized that this is a Debian Mailing List? I don't mind to receive a couple of daily spam messages in the list, but you've been flooding the list with tons of off-topic messages that are totally unrelated to Debian. Please move your off-topic discussion somewhere else.

Re: Cant install Sarge on my new laptop

2006-05-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:49:26PM +0300, Fourat Zouari wrote: > ok thanks for your help anymore > i dont understand you saying 'don't top-post', can you explain to me so i'll > not repost something like that you are posting your replies ABOVE the previous posts. This means it is difficult for ot

Re: dhclient acting up -- loss of IP address

2006-05-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:23:57AM -0400, Tom Allison wrote: > Mumia W wrote: > >Tom Allison wrote: > > > >>I have a problem with my dhclient on my debian box. > >> > >>It keeps picking up an IP address and then losing it in a few seconds. > >>[...] > > > > > >Could it be that you accidentally inst

Re: keeping the same packages on multiple machines

2006-05-02 Thread Christoph Bier
Adam Black schrieb am 02.05.2006 17:44: > Hi > > I am running a P4 desktop and a centrino notebook with Debian sid and > I wanted to know what the best way is to keep the same set of packages > installed on both machines. For the initial setup of the laptop, can > I install a base system and the

Only mono sound when capturing audio thru mencoder.

2006-05-02 Thread Juanjavier Martínez
I don't manage to get stereo stream when capturing full screen 720x576 analog video with stereo sound from mencoder. I get the video ok, but audio is mono. Monitoring the input return via ALSA mixer GUI thru the headphones I see that the sound *is* and *arrive* in stereo to the soundcard (an E

Re: rerunning autodetect

2006-05-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 09:29:21PM -0500, Mark Tilford wrote: > On 4/30/06, James Westby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On (30/04/06 18:35), Mark Tilford wrote: > >> On 4/29/06, Mark Tilford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >For various reasons, I had to run the installation on one computer, > >> >th

automount usbdisk , hardisk or cdrom in gnome 2.14

2006-05-02 Thread Surachai Locharoen
I install gnome 2.14. When I insert usbdisk or cdrom, there is no automount action take place. I can mount mannually from command line. However I can't manually mount usb disk because I can't find /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda which I use to mount usb disk. could you suggest how to obtain automount featu

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would *certainly* want to put private profit interest above a social > system. Know why? There is no stronger motivator in business than > profit. Please look at the quality and level of service of monopoly > phone carrier ISPs (bellsouth, sb

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Matthias Julius wrote: > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>I would *certainly* want to put private profit interest above a social >>system. Know why? There is no stronger motivator in business than >>profit. Please look at the quality and level of service of monopoly >>pho

Re: sata sucks

2006-05-02 Thread lee
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 07:19:58PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote: > >almost impossible to find the appropriate updates (I tried that for > >comps at work and couldn't find them) > > You could just try the latest, v1014 I think. Hm, seems they have changed their website. They even tell you to update c

minimum APM kernel settings to shut off power?

2006-05-02 Thread lee
Hi, there are lots of options related to power management in the kernel config, some/most/all of them seem the be mostly useful for laptops. The only power management feature I would like to have is turning off the power on shutdown/halt. What are the minimum options I have to set in the kernel (

Re: automount usbdisk , hardisk or cdrom in gnome 2.14

2006-05-02 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 23:52:41 +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: > I install gnome 2.14. When I insert usbdisk or cdrom, there is no > automount action take place. I can mount mannually from command line. > > However I can't manually mount usb disk because I can't find /dev/sda1 > or /dev/sda whi

solved: fetchmail (package) for testing

2006-05-02 Thread lee
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 07:58:08PM +0200, lee wrote: > searching for a package providing fetchmail for testing didn't show up > any packages. What's the way to go? As suggested, I installed the fetchmail package from stable, and it works nicely :) It only needs two entries added to /etc/aliases

screen command missing ?

2006-05-02 Thread S t i n g r a y
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Re: screen command missing ?

2006-05-02 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
S t i n g r a y wrote: > I want to run a script that requires screen command > how can i install , which package ? > Did you try the screen package? -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: screen command missing ?

2006-05-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:33:17AM -0700, S t i n g r a y wrote: > I want to run a script that requires screen command > how can i install , which package ? apt-cache search screen (way too much crap) apt-cache search --names-only screen cl-screen-sbcl - SLang interface for Steel Ban

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-05-02 Thread Matthias Julius
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please see the previous email about the guy whose dad was a civil > engineer in the USAF (sorry I forget who it was). *That* is how > government works. I have heard similar stories, not only from within the US. But, is this the way a government

Re: minimum APM kernel settings to shut off power?

2006-05-02 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 19:25:38 +0200, lee wrote: > Hi, > > there are lots of options related to power management in the kernel > config, some/most/all of them seem the be mostly useful for laptops. > > The only power management feature I would like to have is turning off > the power on shutdown

Re: what is the easist way to transfering files on Ethernet?

2006-05-02 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 May 2006 07:03, "Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > You can also use ssh with gFTP, which gives you the familiar > two-paned interface for copying files back and forth between > machines.  Despite the name, which suggest

Re: keeping the same packages on multiple machines

2006-05-02 Thread Digby Tarvin
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 06:13:15PM +0200, Christoph Bier wrote: > Adam Black schrieb am 02.05.2006 17:44: > > > Hi > > > > I am running a P4 desktop and a centrino notebook with Debian sid and > > I wanted to know what the best way is to keep the same set of packages > > installed on both machine

Re: DPI setting

2006-05-02 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Tue, 2 May 2006 18:30:18 +0100 ArameFarpado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Liam O'Toole wrote: > > > > Do you log in using gdm? > no, i use kdm. > > > > The dpi setting in gdm (which is 96 by > > default) overrides that in xorg.conf. It does this by passing the > > '-dpi' option to the X

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