Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-03-15 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Tuesday 15 March 2011 23:51:48 s. keeling wrote: > Jerome BENOIT : > > On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: What's the of an answer out of topic so late? Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas..

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-03-15 Thread s. keeling
/6.0.0/powerpc/iso-dvd/> > > * sparc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/sparc/iso-dvd/> > > * s390 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/s390/iso-dvd/> > > * source <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/source/iso-dvd/> > > * multi-ar

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Bret Busby put forth on 2/9/2011 11:32 AM: > If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is > addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be able > to > address that much RAM. 32 bit Intel and AMD CPUs have been capable of addressing up to 64GB o

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-12 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 11 feb 11, 19:17:02, Klistvud wrote: > > Well, probably the simplest ("newbie") method would be to download > both versions (i386 and amd64) of Debian. Then, pop in the 64-bit > CD. > 1) If it runs, you own a 64-bit system. > 2) If it doesn't, it will explicitly inform you about the wrong >

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-11 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 10. 02. 2011 07:22:32 je Bob Proulx napisal(a): You are making it too difficult. I can't think of any 64-bit capable cpus that are not 64-bit capable. Really! :-) The normal question is how can you tell from a 32-bit system, such as a live cd boot or some such, whether the system is 64-

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Camaleón a écrit : > On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:39:37 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be able to address that much RAM. >> No, this is wrong. > >

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:58:56 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> But, apparently, not all 64 bit CPU's are compatible with the 64 bit >>> version of Debian Linux, as (from what I understand) the 64 bit >>> version of Debian Linux is only compatible with a sma

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:39:37 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Camaleón a écrit : >>> If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is >>> addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to >>> be able to address that much RAM. > > No, this is wrong. No, h

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-10 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:11:37 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Does that mean that, from > > " > :~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family: 15 > model : 44 > model name: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ > stepping : 2 > cpu MHz

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-10 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Jo, 10 feb 11, 18:11:37, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Bob Proulx wrote: [snip lots of unrelated stuff] [snip answer] [snip question to answer above] > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." Very apropiate... [snip more signat

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-10 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Bob Proulx wrote: Bret Busby wrote: The web page at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ states The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace. Thus, from the Debian official doc

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello, Camaleón a écrit : > On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:32:09 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > >> The problem is in knowing whether a particular CPU is compatible with >> the 64 bit version of the operating system, or whether it requires the >> 32 bit version. There are no single 32 and 64-bit versions. De

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread Bob Proulx
Bret Busby wrote: > The web page at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ states > The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 > extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common > 64bit userspace. > > Thus, from the Debian official documentation, it is made clear th

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:36:26 + (UTC) From: Camaleón To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:37:01 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:32:09 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: >> For someone who is going to install an OS, that's something that should >> be found by the user itself. More than a mere "technical" decision >> (both architectures -i386 and amd64- will work under 64-b

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread PaulNM
Bret Busby wrote: > > The problem is in knowing whether a particular CPU is compatible with > the 64 bit version of the operating system, or whether it requires the > 32 bit version. > > For example, the Pentium 4, from memory, is a 64 bit CPU, but is > incompatible with the 64 bit version of De

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:16:46 + (UTC) From: Camaleón To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:17:20 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:43:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Could the Release Notes include a component that matches CPU model with > appropriate distribution version? (...) For someone who is going to install an OS, that's something that should be found by the user itself. More than a mere "techni

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mi, 09 feb 11, 13:43:59, Bret Busby wrote: > > So, it would be useful for the Release Notes to include a list of > CPU's, and show which is the appropriate version of the > distribution, for each CPU model. There are two problems I can think of with this approach: - who is going to maintain t

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Bret Busby put forth on 2/8/2011 11:43 PM: > > Could the Release Notes include a component that matches CPU model with > appropriate distribution version? > > Many 64 bit CPU's exist, but it can be difficult to determine whether they > should have the i386 (which no longer works with the i386, fr

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Darac Marjal put forth on 2/8/2011 9:05 AM: > IIRC, i386 should work fine whichever style of 64-bit it is. However, > one of the reasons why Intel switched from IA64 to AMD64 was that IA64 > is terrible at executing 32-bit code. You are woefully misinformed. First, IA64 Itanium is alive and well

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Bret Busby
Could the Release Notes include a component that matches CPU model with appropriate distribution version? Many 64 bit CPU's exist, but it can be difficult to determine whether they should have the i386 (which no longer works with the i386, from the Release Notes, and so should be renamed) or

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Jerome BENOIT
On 08/02/11 16:12, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Jerome BENOIT put forth on 2/8/2011 8:04 AM: who does play with Itanium box ? expert or newbie ? Old Itanium boxen are often sold on Ebay very cheap, same with SPARC, etc, and discarded by universities, etc. These are what some newbies play with. You

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 8:20 AM: > I'll give you a (virtual) beer if the OP has an Itanium box. It's happened at least twice in two years on this list that an OP was told to use AMD64 when he had an Itanium box, simply because the OP asked without providing details, as in this case, and wa

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Jerome BENOIT put forth on 2/8/2011 8:04 AM: > who does play with Itanium box ? > expert or newbie ? Old Itanium boxen are often sold on Ebay very cheap, same with SPARC, etc, and discarded by universities, etc. These are what some newbies play with. You never know for sure if the OP doesn't sta

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 07:53:23AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 4:55 AM: > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > > > >> On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: > > > >>> which version for intel chi

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 07:53:23 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 4:55 AM: >> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> >>> On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: >> >>>> which version for intel chipset 64bit?

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Jerome BENOIT
who does play with Itanium box ? expert or newbie ? On 08/02/11 14:53, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 4:55 AM: On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: which version for intel chipset 64bit? (...) amd64 Or

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 4:55 AM: > On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > >> On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: > >>> which version for intel chipset 64bit? > > (...) > >> amd64 > > Or i386, that's up to the

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: >> which version for intel chipset 64bit? (...) > amd64 Or i386, that's up to the user ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.d

Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread hamed hosseini
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Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread Jerome BENOIT
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which version for intel chipset 64bit

2011-02-08 Thread hamed hosseini
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