Re: [Sid] Nouveau: only one monitor after 6.6.15 to 6.7.9 upgrade

Greg composed on 2025-03-12 21:59 (UTC+0100): > On 2024-04-03 Greg wrote: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00065.html >> NVIDIA GK104 (0e4090a2) > A year later, different setup but same problems persist. I just > installed Sid on machine equipped with GeF

Re: [Sid] Nouveau: only one monitor after 6.6.15 to 6.7.9 upgrade

60.00    800x600   60.32    640x480   59.94    720x400   70.08 HDMI-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) DP-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) A year later, different setup but same problems persist. I just installed Sid on machine equipped

Re: Git sources of git-core (for SID) out-of-date?

Hi Michal, Michal Maruska wrote: > sid has version 1:2.47.2-0.1 > https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/git mentions as git source: > https://repo.or.cz/w/git/debian.git/ > > which indeed has the relevant branch: > https://repo.or.cz/git/debian.git/shortlog/refs/heads/debia

Git sources of git-core (for SID) out-of-date?

Hi, sid has version 1:2.47.2-0.1 https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/git mentions as git source: https://repo.or.cz/w/git/debian.git/ which indeed has the relevant branch: https://repo.or.cz/git/debian.git/shortlog/refs/heads/debian-sid but it's not pointing to anything related

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Monday, 9 December 2024 18:18:42 CET Richard Hector wrote: > On 10/12/24 02:59, Dominique Dumont wrote: > > As the guest Pc runs Windows, I cannot try kvm/qemu. > > I've run Windows in kvm/qemu before. Bummer, I got it wrong. The host PC is windows and the guest is De

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 1:32 PM Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Sunday, 8 December 2024 23:40:36 CET George at Clug wrote: > > Are you going to use Virtual Box on a number of different physical > > computers? > > No. I use VirtualBox only on the compute of a customer that requires me to > work on his

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

#x27;Never turn off the screen' and 'Never shut down the computer or let it go to sleep'. For me, Debian Bookworm KDE with Wayland runs well as a guest in VirtualBox on Windows. I have not tried SID as yet. George. $ env | grep -E -i 'x11|xorg|wayland|plasma' D

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 02:59:48PM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Sunday, 8 December 2024 23:40:36 CET George at Clug wrote: > > Are you going to use Virtual Box on a number of different physical > > computers? > > > Sorry, I was not clear, "What physical video card/s are in the host (the > >

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On 10/12/24 02:59, Dominique Dumont wrote: As the guest Pc runs Windows, I cannot try kvm/qemu. I've run Windows in kvm/qemu before. Richard

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Sunday, 8 December 2024 23:40:36 CET George at Clug wrote: > Are you going to use Virtual Box on a number of different physical > computers? No. I use VirtualBox only on the compute of a customer that requires me to work on his Windows PC. VirtualBox is my preferred solution to work with Linux

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Monday, 09-12-2024 at 01:39 Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Saturday, 7 December 2024 07:47:24 CET George at Clug wrote: > > What GPU does the computer running the virtual machine use? That is, what > > brand and model is the video card on the computer running Virtual Box? > > AFAIK, there's n

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

> debian12 does not support 3D acceleration. > > Debian does not support virtualbox in Debian stable because of a difference of opinion with the upstream provider about the practicability of security updates, as I understand it. The version in sid is there to prove the practicability of

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Saturday, 7 December 2024 07:47:24 CET George at Clug wrote: > What GPU does the computer running the virtual machine use? That is, what > brand and model is the video card on the computer running Virtual Box? AFAIK, there's no specific brand and model. Virtual box emulates VGA and SVGA [1].

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

Thankyou, however as it seems the konsole panel in dolphin is dependant on matching versions, then konsole could also have been held back until dolphin was ready to go. regards Adrian Fewster On 7/12/24 16:47, George at Clug wrote: On Saturday, 07-12-2024 at 05:35 Dominique Dumont wrote:

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Saturday, 07-12-2024 at 05:35 Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Monday, 2 December 2024 04:56:09 CET Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > Were you using a Wayland session or an X11 session? > > > > Wayland > > On my side, kde6 with wayland does not work in a VirtualBox VM. > > I had to switch to X1

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Monday, 2 December 2024 04:56:09 CET Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > Were you using a Wayland session or an X11 session? > > Wayland On my side, kde6 with wayland does not work in a VirtualBox VM. I had to switch to X11 HTH

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2 - KDE Testing VMs with either QXL or Virtio drivers work when running on PCs using either Nvidia and AMD proprietary drivers.

> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 21:40 Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > > > You may want to avoid upgrading KDE Plasma to 6.2 in sid. I upgraded > > it > > > > >

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

h wrote: > > > > All, > > > > > > > > You may want to avoid upgrading KDE Plasma to 6.2 in sid. I upgraded > it > > > > earlier and after a reboot I only get a black screen when logging in. > > > > > > Whenever someone says, KDE Pla

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Monday, 02-12-2024 at 03:20 Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 10:12 AM George at Clug wrote: > > > > > > > On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 21:40 Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > > All, > > > > > > You may want to avoi

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 10:12 AM George at Clug wrote: > > > On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 21:40 Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > All, > > > > You may want to avoid upgrading KDE Plasma to 6.2 in sid. I upgraded it > > earlier and after a reboot I only get a black scr

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 21:40 Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > All, > > You may want to avoid upgrading KDE Plasma to 6.2 in sid. I upgraded it > earlier and after a reboot I only get a black screen when logging in. Whenever someone says, KDE Plasma and black screen together, I t

Re: SID KDE Plasma 6.2

On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 21:40 Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > All, > > You may want to avoid upgrading KDE Plasma to 6.2 in sid. I upgraded it > earlier and after a reboot I only get a black screen when logging in. Whenever someone says, KDE Plasma and black screen together, I t

SID KDE Plasma 6.2

All, You may want to avoid upgrading KDE Plasma to 6.2 in sid. I upgraded it earlier and after a reboot I only get a black screen when logging in. It is good to see KDE Plasma 6 making its way into sid though. Tim -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https

Re: two different problems with input (mouse and keyword) using Sid

On 10/12/24 11:39, Patrice Duroux wrote: Hi, The first concern is not that annoying and about a wireless mouse that has systematically two different behaviours: 1. one if the receiver is already plugged at boot, 2. one if it is plugged while linux has boot. For 1. the mouse is like going quickly

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

Karl Vogel wrote: > Removing the --quiet flag and using something like safesys() would: > > * let systemctl write something (hopefully an error message), > * show exactly what arguments are being passed to it, and > * show its exit value. Your safesys includes basically exactly the code

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 21:43:39 -0400, I mistakenly wrote: > See the ":" followed by two spaces? Unlike systemctl, well-behaved > programs set "errno" when they puke, and that setting is turned into > a more-or-less useful error message like "Permission denied". > "$!" would have held that messag

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 10:23:00PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 21:43:39 -0400, Karl Vogel wrote: > > >> In previous messages: > > > > > > system('systemctl', '--quiet', [...] , @start_units) == 0 > > > or die("Could not execute systemctl: $!"); > > > > > > Co

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 21:43:39 -0400, Karl Vogel wrote: > >> In previous messages: > > > > system('systemctl', '--quiet', [...] , @start_units) == 0 > > or die("Could not execute systemctl: $!"); > > > > Could not execute systemctl: at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke line 148. > > S

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

>> In previous messages: > > system('systemctl', '--quiet', [...] , @start_units) == 0 > or die("Could not execute systemctl: $!"); > > Could not execute systemctl: at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke line 148. See the ":" followed by two spaces? Unlike systemctl, well-behaved progr

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

Hi, John Cassidy wrote: > > > Could not execute systemctl: at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke line > > > 148. i wrote: > > system('systemctl', '--quiet', @instance_args, $action, @start_units) == > > 0 or die("Could not execute systemctl: $!"); > > https://sources.debian.org/src/init-system-helpe

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > > Hi, > > > > John Cassidy wrote: > > > > Could not execute systemctl: at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke > > > > line 148. > > > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > That's a very strange and specific error message. Is your > > > syste

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

"Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > Hi, > > John Cassidy wrote: > > > Could not execute systemctl: at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke line > > > 148. > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > That's a very strange and specific error message. Is your systemctl > > command missing, or has incorrect permissions or someth

two different problems with input (mouse and keyword) using Sid

[ 41.925564] rfkill: input handler disabled Last information about my system: OS: Debian GNU/Linux trixie trixie/sid x86_64 Host: Dell Precision 7540 Kernel: Linux 6.11.2-amd64 Packages linux-cpupower, power-profiles-daemon, powermgmt-base and upower are installed. Regards, Patrice

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

On 12 Oct 2024 11:42 +0200, from s...@jdcassidy.eu (John Cassidy): > trying to install Redis on Debian SID, the install is failing with the > following errors: > > apt install redis /snip/ > Setting up redis-server (5:7.0.15-2) ... > Created symlink '/etc/systemd/system/r

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

Hi, John Cassidy wrote: > > Could not execute systemctl: at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke line 148. Greg Wooledge wrote: > That's a very strange and specific error message. Is your systemctl > command missing, or has incorrect permissions or something? I rather guess that it is due to the perl t

Re: Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 11:42:22 +0200, John Cassidy wrote: > Setting up redis-server (5:7.0.15-2) ... > Created symlink '/etc/systemd/system/redis.service' → > '/usr/lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service'. > Created symlink > '/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/redis-server.service' → >

Redis installation error(s) on Debian SID

Hello all, trying to install Redis on Debian SID, the install is failing with the following errors: apt install redis Installing: redis Installing dependencies: libjemalloc2 liblzf1 redis-server redis-tools Suggested packages: ruby-redis Summary: Upgrading: 0, Installing: 5

CIFS problem in sid

Hi all, I'm having an intermittent problem with samba mounts from sid on one server. Once a week or so, a connection to one of the shares hangs. Shares on other servers are fine, shares on the problem server are fine from another client, it's just connections from this particular work

X problems on Debian sid system with nouveau

Hello everyone, since a recent update on a Debian sid system, most X applications fail to start and get killed by the kernel due to a null pointer exception. The frame of the application window blinks shortly, then the application gets killed, eg: Aug 07 21:25:14 glaurung kernel: BUG: kernel

Re: BUG in Debian SID

to /etc/network/interfaces > > > and added to /etc/apt/sources.list removing all other lines > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free-firmware > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free-firmware > > > and I did > > apt update >

Re: BUG in Debian SID

to the bridge wlan iface and after adding: auto enp8s0 iface enp8s0 inet dhcp iface enp8s0 inet6 dhcp to /etc/network/interfaces and added to /etc/apt/sources.list removing all other lines deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free-firmware deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian

Re: BUG in Debian SID

Hi, I did another test, on fresh Debian 12.6 on Virtualbox where IPv6 works I did the following: I added on line to sources.lists deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free-firmware and removed all other entries. Then I did apt update apt full-upgrade and after

Re: BUG in Debian SID

Łukasz, I wanted to do another try, but this time stay with the initial Debian installation, that is not alter /etc/network/interfaces file. So this time I just built Bookworm, then upgraded to Sid. Good news is I still cannot replicate your issue. Hopefully the issue was because of the non

Re: BUG in Debian SID

Łukasz, You do need to remove (comment out) all sources (e.g. bookworm/trixie) and only leave sid.  This may solve your issue. After creating a VM using Virt-Manager, I do get a ipv6 address, and I do not get the message  "Link local ipv6 for interface is not configured" whe

Re: BUG in Debian SID

Hi, I had besides sid also trixie sources but I bet that with only sid the result will be the same. Could you try to reproduce on VirtualBox at your side. You do not need dhcpv6 server. In normal behavior you should get timeout, but this bug will cause quick end with error from the first post

Re: BUG in Debian SID

t;non-free-firmware" which provides the non-free drivers for things like sound, network and WiFI devices? (Hopefully you only have 'sid' sources and no sources for other versions, for example 'bookworm' or 'backports') It could help to at least add "non-

Re: BUG in Debian SID

etwork and WiFI > devices? > > (Hopefully you only have 'sid' sources and no sources for other versions, > for example 'bookworm' or 'backports') > > It could help to at least add "non-free-firmware" even if there is another > issue? > > > ht

Re: BUG in Debian SID

Łukasz, I wonder if the issue is that you are missing "non-free-firmware" which provides the non-free drivers for things like sound, network and WiFI devices? (Hopefully you only have 'sid' sources and no sources for other versions, for example 'bookworm' or &#x

Re: BUG in Debian SID

On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 08:33:28AM +0200, Łukasz Kalamłacki wrote: > Hi, > > I added only this to sources list: > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free > > and nothing else > > Best regards, > Łukasz > So that was the _only_ line in y

Re: BUG in Debian SID

Hi, Yes I tried that also with the same result. Best regards, Łukasz śr., 31 lip 2024 o 01:09 Jeffrey Walton napisał(a): > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 7:00 PM Łukasz Kalamłacki > wrote: > > > > > > I detected and issue with Debian SID and DHCP for IPv6. > > > &g

Re: BUG in Debian SID

Hi, I added only this to sources list: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free and nothing else Best regards, Łukasz śr., 31 lip 2024 o 00:50 George at Clug napisał(a): > > > On Wednesday, 31-07-2024 at 06:01 Łukasz Kalamłacki wrote: > > Hello, > > &

Re: BUG in Debian SID

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 7:00 PM Łukasz Kalamłacki wrote: > > > I detected and issue with Debian SID and DHCP for IPv6. > > In my network I use DHCPv6 server which works fine on stable versions of > Debian or Trixie but when I add to sources.list sid source and do update >

Re: BUG in Debian SID

On Wednesday, 31-07-2024 at 06:01 Łukasz Kalamłacki wrote: > Hello, > > > I detected and issue with Debian SID and DHCP for IPv6. > > > In my network I use DHCPv6 server which works fine on stable versions of > Debian or Trixie but when I add to sources.list

BUG in Debian SID

Hello, I detected and issue with Debian SID and DHCP for IPv6. In my network I use DHCPv6 server which works fine on stable versions of Debian or Trixie but when I add to sources.list sid source and do update and upgrade I get and error that: "Link local ipv6 for interface i

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 30/07/24 at 16:54, 타토카 wrote: "Debian *does* use git snapshots and other pre-releases for some packages, but not for Firefox ESR." - What do you mean? The developers use /Version control systems/ ¹ to develop their software, Debian may take the source code directly from the the developmen

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 19:54:49 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > "Debian *does* use git snapshots and other pre-releases for some packages, > but not for Firefox ESR." - What do you mean? For example, the package xserver-xorg-video-intel in bookworm has version 2:2.99.917+git20210115-1

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

"Debian *does* use git snapshots and other pre-releases for some packages, but not for Firefox ESR." - What do you mean? On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 7:09 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 14:53:39 +0100, Joe wrote: > > As far as I > > know, Debian doesn't use beta versions of any sof

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 14:53:39 +0100, Joe wrote: > As far as I > know, Debian doesn't use beta versions of any software, even in > unstable, so Firefox itself in unstable is likely to be the same > Firefox downloaded by thousands of people using other distributions, > and is no more likely to fai

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

I have another one question, which is important for me. When using debian sid, how much probably, that problems can remove or move to anywhere some important data from my PC (passwords, photos, notes, etc.). I understand that some unstable packages in debian sid can break the system, but what

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 20:26:00 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > If I want to use rescue mode for debian via netinst, will my pc have to > have an internet connection? Yea, it is a stupid question, but anyway. No, you do not need an internet connection to boot the netinst image. Not even to install from it (t

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

a good idea to install debian sid on VM > > first. Debian installation image? Do you mean debian netinst? Or > > debian live's versions? > > The live version will behave as a full installation of course, but the > netinstall rescue mode boots quickly and contains many tools

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

Yes, I think so, that would be a good idea to install debian sid on VM first. Debian installation image? Do you mean debian netinst? Or debian live's versions? On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 3:43 PM Joe wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 00:57:48 +0500 > 타토카 wrote: > > > Is it enoug

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 00:57:48 +0500 타토카 wrote: > Is it enough to have usb Debian live (for example XFCE) and use > Debian Sid? I mean I don't have another one computer, if the main > computer will be "broken". > > It would certainly help, though better would be a h

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

On Sun 28 Jul 2024 at 09:45:44 (-0500), allan wrote: > I've run Sid exclusively for years; the last time I broke it badly > enough to justify a reinstall was in 2013 and that was for not paying > attention during an upgrade :) > > My heartburn is I would have expected to

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

On Mon 29 Jul 2024 at 09:23:16 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 28/07/2024 20:08, Erwan David wrote: > > I also have a 99-systcl.conf which is a copy of the former /etc/sysctl.conf > > When you are going to replace a file provided by a package, check if > it is a configuration file at first (e.g.

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

On 28/07/2024 20:08, Erwan David wrote: I also have a 99-systcl.conf which is a copy of the former /etc/sysctl.conf When you are going to replace a file provided by a package, check if it is a configuration file at first (e.g. dpkg -s). Despite most of files in /etc/ are marked as configurati

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 29/07/2024 02:57, 타토카 wrote: Is it enough to have usb Debian live (for example XFCE) and use Debian Sid? I mean I don't have another one computer, if the main computer will be "broken". Since you are asking this question, likely it is not enough. If your hardware allows i

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

On 2024-07-28 20:01:35 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > In the interests of posting something *useful*, here's a timeline. > As I understand it, here's what's happened so far: > > 2024-06-23: bug #1074156 filed against package procps > procps: Depend or Recommend linux-sysctl-defaults > Bug f

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 01:13:10 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2024-07-28 14:13:09 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > And posting on debian-user with a bombastic Subject line which implies > > that this is a widespread issue when it really only seems to exist in > > Unstable is, quite frankly,

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

On 2024-07-28 14:13:09 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > And posting on debian-user with a bombastic Subject line which implies > that this is a widespread issue when it really only seems to exist in > Unstable is, quite frankly, in my opinion at best dishonest. No, the breakage was done *on purpos

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

Is it enough to have usb Debian live (for example XFCE) and use Debian Sid? I mean I don't have another one computer, if the main computer will be "broken". On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:44 PM David Wright wrote: > On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 09:44:02 (+), Michael Kjörling wrote:

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

I've run Sid exclusively for years; the last time I broke it badly enough to justify a reinstall was in 2013 and that was for not paying attention during an upgrade :) My heartburn is I would have expected to see this change in a changelog and apt-listchanges didn't say a word about

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

ite package which included the symlink in question, but I do remember having the systemd-suite changelog entry in question appear - via apt-list-changes - in upgrades that I've already installed (although I'm not finding it now when I look in my local changelogs). Some parts of this, at lea

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

On 28 Jul 2024 15:08 +0200, from er...@rail.eu.org (Erwan David): > Le 28/07/2024 à 14:28, allan a écrit : >> I would agree with you *if* the change had been publicized. > > [...] But in my view it is a bug to remove something else than > the symlink even with the same name At the risk of repeati

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

Le 28/07/2024 à 14:28, allan a écrit : I would agree with you *if* the change had been publicized. I found the 99-sysctl.conf symlink accidentally. I removed the symlink and moved sysctl.conf to 99-sysctl.conf since the original config was not being read. This turned out to be a lousy idea sin

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

I would agree with you *if* the change had been publicized. I found the 99-sysctl.conf symlink accidentally. I removed the symlink and moved sysctl.conf to 99-sysctl.conf since the original config was not being read. This turned out to be a lousy idea since the symlink was removed with the next

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

On 28 Jul 2024 04:25 +0200, from vinc...@vinc17.net (Vincent Lefevre): >> A conffile is user-managed, so any changes you make to a conffile must >> be respected by the package. It can't just overwrite your changes, or >> restore a conffile if you've deleted it. > > This is rather poor design, bec

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 09:44:02 (+), Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 22 Jul 2024 21:20 -0500, from deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk (David Wright): > > The machine I'm typing on is running bullseye and was installed with > > linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64. It's running linux-image-5.10.0-31-amd64 > > now, so

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 7/23/24 09:45, 타토카 wrote: Does anyone here use Debian Sid for professional work and programming? I do. Are you happy with this? I am. I just want to know your opinions about this experience. I have several old kernels and respective initrds on my machine and I have another machine

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

> > > This particular one may originate from > > > I had forgotten that page even existed. It hasn't been touched in 16 years. -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 11031 Dec 12 2007 sidfaq.html At this point it should be considered a historical artifact rather than

Re: Debian should have a rolling release version; was: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 22 Jul 2024 18:10 -0400, from noloa...@gmail.com (Jeffrey Walton): > A perfect case on point is "TTY1 layer bug", > . > Folks thought it was benign, and did not patch it or port existing > patches. It was one of

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 22 Jul 2024 21:20 -0500, from deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk (David Wright): > The machine I'm typing on is running bullseye and was installed with > linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64. It's running linux-image-5.10.0-31-amd64 > now, so that's 22 different versions over 27 months, and a lot of work > put in

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

Does anyone here use Debian Sid for professional work and programming? Are you happy with this? I just want to know your opinions about this experience. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:52 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 23/07/2024 09:23, Max Nikulin wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 23/07/2024 09:23, Max Nikulin wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so without PAM no one can login, even as a root. I

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 23/07/2024 02:30, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so without PAM no one can login, even as a root. I

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon 22 Jul 2024 at 18:10:24 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 5:41 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > > [...] > > > 4. As I know Debian Sid does not have some packages like Arch, why? They > >

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 5:41 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > [...] > > 4. As I know Debian Sid does not have some packages like Arch, why? They > > have rolling releases? I mean packages, for example, hyprland. > &g

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

Hi, On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: > 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does > Debian Sid crash and breaked? If you have to ask this question, you should not t

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 23 Jul 2024 01:27 +0500, from cybertat...@gmail.com (타토카): > I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the > website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM will > crash, I just want to know what the solution can be for it. You have mentioned

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 00:25:27 (+0500), 타토카 wrote: > I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): > "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so > without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious >

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 21:38:23 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 01:27:49 +0500 > 타토카 wrote: > > > I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the > > website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM > > will crash, I

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM will crash, I just want to know what the solution can be for it. I am interested in Debian Sid. But I just want to Insure myself of problems, which happened in

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): > "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so > without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious >

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious environment, you must be able to handle such situations.". I don&

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

On 7/22/24 3:38 AM, 타토카 wrote: Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does Debian Sid crash and breaked? I can't speak about Arch; I mostly use Sid on all my workstations, but none

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: > 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does > Debian Sid crash and breaked? this depends upon which packages are used frequently. > 2. I have seen on the Debian o

Debian Sid. General questions.

Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does Debian Sid crash and breaked? 2. I have seen on the Debian official site about Debian Sid and PAM. If I have this problem with PAM, what should I do? 3

Debian Sid/Unstable is not a rolling user distro [WAS:Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size]

Le 19/07/2024 à 05:12, songbird a écrit : The Wanderer wrote: ... By taking on yourself the risk and burden of running sid, you are volunteering to be one of those who helps notice issues before they reach testing, and report those issues so that the machinery of the archive can stop the

Re: Debian Sid/Unstable is not a rolling user distro [WAS:Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size]

Le 19/07/2024 à 09:25, didier gaumet a écrit : [...] You are perfectly right: there is no contract and one i free to use which Debian distro one wants to... [...] typo error, sorry: You are perfectly right: there is no contract and one is free to use which Debian distro one wants to...

Re: Debian Sid/Unstable is not a rolling user distro [WAS:Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size]

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 10:07:14AM +0200, didier gaumet wrote: [...] > > One of the things I love Debian for. > > > > Cheers > > My bad, I do know the existence of the Debian social contract but have not > worded accurately enough what I wanted to say. I should have written > something like: N

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