Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-15 Thread Reco
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 01:55:01PM +0100, Martin Read wrote: > On 15/09/14 01:46, Marty wrote: > >(not OP but) I require the exclusion all packages by their dev teams > >from my computer. Is that clear enough? Linus doesn't trust them. Why > >should I? > > Just to be sure you're aware of what you'

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-15 Thread Martin Read
On 15/09/14 01:46, Marty wrote: (not OP but) I require the exclusion all packages by their dev teams from my computer. Is that clear enough? Linus doesn't trust them. Why should I? Just to be sure you're aware of what you're asking for: that includes udev, which: (a) in Debian is a hard depe

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-14 Thread Marty
On 09/14/2014 08:15 AM, The Wanderer wrote: The fourth would require clarification from you as to exactly what it is you do require. (not OP but) I require the exclusion all packages by their dev teams from my computer. Is that clear enough? Linus doesn't trust them. Why should I? Wherever

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-14 Thread Erwan David
Le 14/09/2014 14:15, The Wanderer a écrit : > On 09/14/2014 at 05:15 AM, Martin Vegter wrote: > > > On 09/14/2014 02:22 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > > >> 2014/09/13 22:06 "Brian" >> >: > > >>> Nothing needs to clarified. The only contradictory post is > >>> based on not gras

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/14/2014 at 05:15 AM, Martin Vegter wrote: > On 09/14/2014 02:22 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > >> 2014/09/13 22:06 "Brian" > >: >>> Nothing needs to clarified. The only contradictory post is >>> based on not grasping wha

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-14 Thread Martin Vegter
> On 09/14/2014 02:22 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > 2014/09/13 22:06 "Brian" >: >> >> On Sat 13 Sep 2014 at 08:08:55 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: >> >> > On 09/13/2014 at 07:42 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: >> > >> > > Am 13.09.2014 um 12:22 schrieb Erwan David: >> > > >> > >> Le 12

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-13 Thread Joel Rees
2014/09/13 22:06 "Brian" : > > On Sat 13 Sep 2014 at 08:08:55 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 09/13/2014 at 07:42 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > > > Am 13.09.2014 um 12:22 schrieb Erwan David: > > > > > >> Le 12/09/2014 23:43, Brian a écrit : > > > > >>> After installation you definitely need t

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-13 Thread Brian
On Sat 13 Sep 2014 at 08:08:55 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 09/13/2014 at 07:42 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Am 13.09.2014 um 12:22 schrieb Erwan David: > > > >> Le 12/09/2014 23:43, Brian a écrit : > > >>> After installation you definitely need to do: > >>> > >>> apt-get install sysvinit

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-13 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/13/2014 at 07:42 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 13.09.2014 um 12:22 schrieb Erwan David: > >> Le 12/09/2014 23:43, Brian a écrit : >>> After installation you definitely need to do: >>> >>> apt-get install sysvinit-core >>> >>> You may also

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-13 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 13.09.2014 um 12:22 schrieb Erwan David: > Le 12/09/2014 23:43, Brian a écrit : >> On Fri 12 Sep 2014 at 22:10:28 +0200, Martin Vegter wrote: >> >>> I read somewhere that Jessie will still support the old SysVinit (even >>> if it's not the default init). I intend to use Debian as long as I can >

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-13 Thread Erwan David
Le 12/09/2014 23:43, Brian a écrit : > On Fri 12 Sep 2014 at 22:10:28 +0200, Martin Vegter wrote: > >> I read somewhere that Jessie will still support the old SysVinit (even >> if it's not the default init). I intend to use Debian as long as I can >> avoid using systemd. > After installation you de

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-13 Thread Iain M Conochie
On 13/09/14 07:40, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 07:02:06PM +0100, Iain M Conochie wrote: Not at all. This is a basic preseed file I was using for wheezy installs. I am testing it again on a new VM - gimmie an hour or so and I will post the results The one you posted was exac

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 07:02:06PM +0100, Iain M Conochie wrote: > Not at all. This is a basic preseed file I was using for wheezy installs. I > am testing it again on a new VM - gimmie an hour or so and I will post the > results The one you posted was exactly that - a late_command to manually swi

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 06:52:02PM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > So systemld is not *default* init system, but *compulsory* > > Let the discourse be clear. More accurate would be that currently, it is not possible to preseed a testing or unstable system without systemd. This might be fixed by the t

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 12 Sep 2014 at 22:10:28 +0200, Martin Vegter wrote: > I read somewhere that Jessie will still support the old SysVinit (even > if it's not the default init). I intend to use Debian as long as I can > avoid using systemd. After installation you definitely need to do: apt-get install sysv

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Martin Vegter
> On 09/12/2014 09:56 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 12.09.2014 15:30, schrieb Martin Vegter: >> hello, >> >> when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init. >> >> Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will >> not be installed? > > Any specific reason, why

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Iain M Conochie
On 12/09/14 18:54, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 12.09.2014 19:37, schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 12.09.2014 18:55, schrieb Iain M Conochie: If you want the preseed file that built this VM I can email it to you. I will, of course, take out any sensitive info with suggestions for replacements I assume

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Iain M Conochie
On 12/09/14 18:37, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 12.09.2014 18:55, schrieb Iain M Conochie: If you want the preseed file that built this VM I can email it to you. I will, of course, take out any sensitive info with suggestions for replacements I assume you used a post-install hook to uninstall sy

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.09.2014 19:37, schrieb Michael Biebl: > Am 12.09.2014 18:55, schrieb Iain M Conochie: >> If you want the preseed file that built this VM I can email it to you. >> I will, of course, take out any sensitive info with suggestions for >> replacements > > I assume you used a post-install hook t

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Erwan David
Le 12/09/2014 19:25, Brian a écrit : > On Fri 12 Sep 2014 at 18:52:02 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > >> Let the discourse be clear. > And let any advocacy arguments not be in a thread which is intended to > help a user. The "brasero requires gvfs" thread has been infested with > such arguments. Please

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.09.2014 18:52, schrieb Erwan David: > Le 12/09/2014 18:35, Michael Biebl a écrit : >> Am 12.09.2014 15:30, schrieb Martin Vegter: >>> hello, >>> >>> when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init. >>> >>> Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will >>

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.09.2014 18:55, schrieb Iain M Conochie: > If you want the preseed file that built this VM I can email it to you. > I will, of course, take out any sensitive info with suggestions for > replacements I assume you used a post-install hook to uninstall systemd and install sysvinit-core? This i

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 12 Sep 2014 at 18:52:02 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Let the discourse be clear. And let any advocacy arguments not be in a thread which is intended to help a user. The "brasero requires gvfs" thread has been infested with such arguments. Please take such discussion there. -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Iain M Conochie
On 12/09/14 17:35, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 12.09.2014 15:30, schrieb Martin Vegter: hello, when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init. Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will not be installed? No, this is currently not possible. Oh really?

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Erwan David
Le 12/09/2014 18:35, Michael Biebl a écrit : > Am 12.09.2014 15:30, schrieb Martin Vegter: >> hello, >> >> when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init. >> >> Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will >> not be installed? > No, this is currently not pos

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 12 Sep 2014 at 15:30:44 +0200, Martin Vegter wrote: > when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init. > > Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will > not be installed? No. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.09.2014 15:30, schrieb Martin Vegter: > hello, > > when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init. > > Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will > not be installed? No, this is currently not possible. -- Why is it that all of the instruments s

preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-12 Thread Martin Vegter
hello, when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init. Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will not be installed? PS: I know that it is possible to override default boot loader (grub) and install lilo instead. I am looking for something similar for in