Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 02:27:49AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: > >Does mutt have a quadoption for this? > > Paul, didn't you have a bounce set up for HTML? Or was it the Dman? > Wasn't that in Exim, or procmail? Seems like a confirmation could be > set up based on the same kind of parameters. Sin

Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-09 Thread Gary Turner
Paul Johnson wrote: >On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:16:09PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: >> >By the way, your message asks for a return receipt, which I would >> >guess isn't everyone's preferred setting for a mailing list. >> >> Maybe for mail-lists we should honor requests for return receipts. Talk >

Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:16:09PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: > >By the way, your message asks for a return receipt, which I would > >guess isn't everyone's preferred setting for a mailing list. > > Maybe for mail-lists we should honor requests for return receipts. Talk > about your self-induced D

Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-08 Thread Gary Turner
Daniel Barclay wrote: >Jack Nguy wrote: >> >> Why is this on this mailing list again? > >By the way, your message asks for a return receipt, which I would >guess isn't everyone's preferred setting for a mailing list. Maybe for mail-lists we should honor requests for return receipts. Talk about

Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-08 Thread Daniel Barclay
Jack Nguy wrote: > > Why is this on this mailing list again? By the way, your message asks for a return receipt, which I would guess isn't everyone's preferred setting for a mailing list. Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-06 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 04:12:49PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 12:09, Pigeon wrote: > [snip] > > What do you think of the Culture economy? All work is done by > > machines, which are designed to work properly and last for millennia - > > fully upgradeable, of course. So no-one

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 12:09, Pigeon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:35:20PM -0500, David P James wrote: > > Brooks R. Robinson wrote: [snip] > What do you think of the Culture economy? All work is done by > machines, which are designed to work properly and last for millennia - > fully upgradeab

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:39, Craig Dickson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I believe the fastest way to get bipartisan support for a manned > > mission to Mars is to convince the politicians that the mainland > > Chinese are going to get there first. > > Thus giving new meaning to the ide

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-05 Thread Pigeon
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:35:20PM -0500, David P James wrote: > Brooks R. Robinson wrote: > >The only thing those of us stuck somewhere in the middle can hope for, is > >that the research paid for by our government accidentally stumbles upon > >that > >magic energy formula, bringing us into the S

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-05 Thread Craig Dickson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I believe the fastest way to get bipartisan support for a manned > mission to Mars is to convince the politicians that the mainland > Chinese are going to get there first. Thus giving new meaning to the idea that Mars is "red"... Craig msg28797/pgp0.pgp Descript

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-05 Thread csj
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:55:44 -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote: > > | How the US can justify spending so much money on Space while > | 33 million US citizens live below the poverty line amazes me. > > The ideology of capitalism puts people with money into power. > Benevolent as the may want to be, po

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread David P James
Brooks R. Robinson wrote: | How the US can justify spending so much money on Space while 33 million US | citizens live below the poverty line amazes me. The ideology of capitalism puts people with money into power. Benevolent as the may want to be, power corrupts, and they are corrupted by power

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 19:49, Russell wrote: > Vikki Roemer wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:02:21PM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > > ... > > OTOH, space exploration and research improves everyone's lives-- new > > medicines and medical techniques, etc. So how is it a waste? How is > > it

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Russell
Vikki Roemer wrote: On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:02:21PM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: ... OTOH, space exploration and research improves everyone's lives-- new medicines and medical techniques, etc. So how is it a waste? How is it anymore of a waste than welfare and socialized medicine? Not try

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Dave W
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 20:18, Vikki Roemer wrote: > > I feel sorry for their families, kinda hard to feel sorry for astronauts. > > As for bravery, no I don't think they are brave either. > > Why not? There's always a chance that the shuttle will blow up at > some point (Challenger and Columbia)

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread donw
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:18:42PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote: > > > > I feel sorry for their families, kinda hard to feel sorry for astronauts. > > As for bravery, no I don't think they are brave either. > > Why not? There's always a chance that the shuttle will blow up at > some point (Challe

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Vikki Roemer
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:02:21PM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > > > Guys...it's a bit sad when some very brave people died in > > Columbia to be talking stuff like this...i agree with Vincent > > that comments like this are not necessary. Spare a moments > > thought (or longer if possible

Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-04 Thread Jack Nguy
Why is this on this mailing list again? -Jack - Original Message - From: "Sean Burlington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Debian-User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really ha

Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-04 Thread Sean Burlington
Charlie Reiman wrote: -Original Message- From: Sean Burlington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:45 AM To: DvB Cc: Debian-User Subject: Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened) This whole thread seems to be treating the rest of the

RE: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-04 Thread Xavier Bestel
> > This whole thread seems to be treating the rest of the world like some > > distant scenery. > > > > >From any given point on the world, the rest of the world _is_ distant > scenery. For futher discussion, see "Here vs. There," and "Small or Far > Away: A Case Study." Depending on countries,

RE: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-04 Thread Charlie Reiman
> -Original Message- > From: Sean Burlington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:45 AM > To: DvB > Cc: Debian-User > Subject: Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened) > > This whole thread seems to be treating th

Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-04 Thread DvB
Sean Burlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > DvB wrote: > > > AFAIK, many European countries have been doing that for some time > > now. Their citizens have a relatively high purchasing power, yet they > > still have relatively successful and extensive social programs. > > The ideology that ther

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:02, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > > > Guys...it's a bit sad when some very brave people died in > > Columbia to be talking stuff like this...i agree with Vincent > > that comments like this are not necessary. Spare a moments > > thought (or longer if possible) for those b

Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-04 Thread Sean Burlington
DvB wrote: AFAIK, many European countries have been doing that for some time now. Their citizens have a relatively high purchasing power, yet they still have relatively successful and extensive social programs. The ideology that there must be something wrong with you if you don't make enough mon

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread deFreese, Barry
>I was afraid it might be too dated - I wrote it when I heard the rumour, >and shared it with three or four people. One emailed it on to a few >friends, and it did work its way around the Internet for a stretch. > >All that said, isn't "Press any key to continue..." the equivalent to >finishing a p

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Lloyd Zusman
> the hell... > > Brooks R. Robinson wrote: > >> | How the US can justify spending so much money on Space while 33 >> | million US citizens live below the poverty line amazes me. > > [ ... ] > > [ ... ] Having poor people join the capitalist middle class does > not in any way lead to a socialist

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Craig Dickson
(sigh) We're drifting farther and farther off-topic here, but what the hell... Brooks R. Robinson wrote: > | How the US can justify spending so much money on Space while 33 million US > | citizens live below the poverty line amazes me. Actually, the answer to this one is quite simple. There are

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Mark L. Kahnt
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 12:02, deFreese, Barry wrote: > > Our Father, who art in Redmond > > Bill be thy name. > > Should Windows 95 come, > > Thy Word be run > > On Earth as it is in Redmond. > > Give us this day our Conventional Memory > > And forgive us our GPFs > >

[OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

2003-02-04 Thread DvB
"Brooks R. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | How the US can justify spending so much money on Space while 33 million US > | citizens live below the poverty line amazes me. > > > As hard as they try, putting a socialist blanket over capitalism will never > work. AFAIK, many European cou

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread deFreese, Barry
> Our Father, who art in Redmond > Bill be thy name. > Should Windows 95 come, > Thy Word be run > On Earth as it is in Redmond. > Give us this day our Conventional Memory > And forgive us our GPFs > As we forgive those GPFs that crash our systems >

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Brooks R. Robinson
| How the US can justify spending so much money on Space while 33 million US | citizens live below the poverty line amazes me. The ideology of capitalism puts people with money into power. Benevolent as the may want to be, power corrupts, and they are corrupted by power. From this point of view,

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Pigeon
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:02:21PM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > > > Guys...it's a bit sad when some very brave people died in > > Columbia to be talking stuff like this...i agree with Vincent > > that comments like this are not necessary. Spare a moments > > thought (or longer if possible

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Joyce, Matthew
> > Guys...it's a bit sad when some very brave people died in > Columbia to be talking stuff like this...i agree with Vincent > that comments like this are not necessary. Spare a moments > thought (or longer if possible) for those brave Astronauts > and their families who will no doubt end

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 01:05 am, Brian Nelson wrote: > Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 3) Please, all those in other countries, do not hold Dub-ya up as an > > example, or an American ideal. Far less than 1/2 of elegible voters > > voted him into office. > > Considering only about

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Brian Nelson
Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 3) Please, all those in other countries, do not hold Dub-ya up as an example, > or an American ideal. Far less than 1/2 of elegible voters voted him into > office. Considering only about 40% of all eligible voters in the US actually casted votes, that'

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Pigeon
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 12:03:26AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > Please, both of you, we can do without The Great God Debate on > debian-user ... if you don't agree with somebody else's religious > beliefs, just ignore it or take it to private mail. > > Thanks, > > -- > Colin Watson

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Mark L. Kahnt
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 19:03, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:39:09PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > > Pigeon wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:22:44AM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote: > > > >Rockets don't stay up on faith. > > > > > > Oh yes they do... see Matthew 17:20 > > > > Fa

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Monday 03 February 2003 05:25 pm, Peppe wrote: > > Bush has given Saddam two weeks to prove he had nothing to do with the > > Shuttle disaster, or he will nuke them back to the Stone Age. > > This is the freedom that Bush likes so much... > But is this only Bush's freedom or is it freedom of the

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:39:09PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > Pigeon wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:22:44AM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote: > > >Rockets don't stay up on faith. > > > > Oh yes they do... see Matthew 17:20 > > Faith moves mountains? Okay. Show me. Just use faith, no explosives

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Craig Dickson
Pigeon wrote: > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:22:44AM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote: > > > >Rockets don't stay up on faith. > > Oh yes they do... see Matthew 17:20 Faith moves mountains? Okay. Show me. Just use faith, no explosives or earth-moving equipment. You can't? What a surprise. Craig -- To

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Peppe
> Bush has given Saddam two weeks to prove he had nothing to do with the > Shuttle disaster, or he will nuke them back to the Stone Age. This is the freedom that Bush likes so much... But is this only Bush's freedom or is it freedom of the whole world? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Pigeon
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:22:44AM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote: > >Rockets don't stay up on faith. Oh yes they do... see Matthew 17:20 (apt-get install bible) > Bush has given Saddam two weeks to prove he had nothing to do with the > Shuttle disaster, or he will nuke them back to the Stone Age. Ev

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread David Pastern
pain for a long time at their loss. Dave -Original Message- From: DEFFONTAINES Vincent To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Sent: 2/3/03 4:27 AM Subject: RE: columbia -- what really happened > -Original Message- > From: Bob Paige [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >

Re: columbia -- what really happened (OT)

2003-02-03 Thread Daniel Barclay
Ron Johnson wrote: > > ... > Unfortunately, it's just proof that so many in the media are tres' > clueless. Don't say that--too many of us(we?) Americans are monolingual. :-) Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubs

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread DEFFONTAINES Vincent
> -Original Message- > From: Bob Paige [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday 3 February 2003 18:06 > To: Narins, Josh > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: columbia -- what really happened > > > Narins, Josh wrote: > > >Um, Bush believes in Cr

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 14:11, Craig Dickson wrote: > martin f krafft wrote: > > > also sprach karrottop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.03.2003 +0100]: > > > Are republican bashers really so bored that they have to post crap like > > > this in a debian mail list. Download some friends and tell them y

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Craig Dickson
martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach karrottop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.03.2003 +0100]: > > Are republican bashers really so bored that they have to post crap like > > this in a debian mail list. Download some friends and tell them your > > propoganda. Try opening up a live journal, then you

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Hell.Surfers
AMEN. -- DM. On 03 Feb 2003 14:03:49 -0500 karrottop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Begin Message --- Are republican bashers really so bored that they have to post crap like this in a debian mail list. Download some friends and tell them your propoganda. Try opening up a live journal, then you

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach karrottop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.03.2003 +0100]: > Are republican bashers really so bored that they have to post crap like > this in a debian mail list. Download some friends and tell them your > propoganda. Try opening up a live journal, then you can still hear your > self type

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread karrottop
Are republican bashers really so bored that they have to post crap like this in a debian mail list. Download some friends and tell them your propoganda. Try opening up a live journal, then you can still hear your self type without annoying others On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 12:07, Bob Paige wrote: > N

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Bob Paige
Narins, Josh wrote: Um, Bush believes in Creationism, not Science. He's said so himself. And there was Reagan, with his astrologers. Is it any wonder space ships fall from the sky when these guys were "in charge"? Rockets don't stay up on faith. Of course the 1.9% budget cuts for the program

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Narins, Josh
Um, Bush believes in Creationism, not Science. He's said so himself. And there was Reagan, with his astrologers. Is it any wonder space ships fall from the sky when these guys were "in charge"? Rockets don't stay up on faith. Of course the 1.9% budget cuts for the program had nothing to do wi

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-02 Thread Jeremy Gaddis
On Sun, 2 Feb 2003, Craig Dickson wrote: > > hmm, space shuttle running redhat. that explains everything. > > Even if it had been running Windows XP, a remark like that is in > outrageously poor taste. oh, got that one covered too: http://www.gaddis.org/what_really_happened.jpg j. -- Jeremy

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-02 Thread Craig Dickson
Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > hmm, space shuttle running redhat. that explains everything. Even if it had been running Windows XP, a remark like that is in outrageously poor taste. Craig msg28107/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-02 Thread Aryan Ameri
On Sunday 02 February 2003 12:11, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > > "To test the technology the Columbia space shuttle was fitted > with an embedded PC that has a 233 MHz processor, 128 MB of RAM > and a solid-state 144 MB hard drive." > > "The computer is running Red Hat, a version of the Linux operating

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-02 Thread DvB
"Jeremy Gaddis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2709875.stm: > > [snip] > > "To test the technology the Columbia space shuttle was fitted > with an embedded PC that has a 233 MHz processor, 128 MB of RAM > and a solid-state 144 MB hard drive." > > "The c

columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-02 Thread Jeremy Gaddis
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2709875.stm: [snip] "To test the technology the Columbia space shuttle was fitted with an embedded PC that has a 233 MHz processor, 128 MB of RAM and a solid-state 144 MB hard drive." "The computer is running Red Hat, a version of the Linux operating sy