On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 05:47:43PM +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 17:07 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > And WHY should Debian "care" about missing Manpages?
> >
> > It is the Upstream which should provide Documentation for tools
> > otherwise they will be useless. I see i
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 17:07 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> And WHY should Debian "care" about missing Manpages?
>
> It is the Upstream which should provide Documentation for tools
> otherwise they will be useless. I see it only as friendly
> "geste" if a Distribution like Debian create Manpages
Am 2007-03-18 16:44:41, schrieb John Hasler:
> Write DFSG-free versions of the man pages. Your assistance would be
> welcome. Just write such a page and send it to the maintainer via the BTS.
Definitivly FullACK!
And WHY should Debian "care" about missing Manpages?
It is the Upstream which sho
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Am 2007-03-16 13:11:04, schrieb Jonathan Wilson:
> alsaconf, printconf, installation scripts for the OS, etc. We'll have to "do
> it by hand." Perhaps, in the future, the brand spanking new Debian will
> start to look remarkably similar to Buzz, Rex, or Bo.
>
> I think it's crazy.
Why?
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:04:13 +
Andy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 07:12:00AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > There is work in progress for a third option to merge the new stuff
> > with the customized config.
>
> An option to drop into vimdiff would be nice, as t
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 07:12:00AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> There is work in progress for a third option to merge the new stuff
> with the customized config.
An option to drop into vimdiff would be nice, as that is generally
what I do anyway.
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:12:00 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:58:20 -0500
> > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I wrote:
> > > > Manual changes to conffiles are preserved.
> > >
> > > Celejar writes:
Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:58:20 -0500
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I wrote:
> > > Manual changes to conffiles are preserved.
> >
> > Celejar writes:
> > > Yes, but if you edit it by hand, then it won't be updated when a
> > > new version become
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:10:00 -0500
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wrote:
> > You will be offered the choice of keeping your version or replacing it with
> > the new version.
>
> Celejar writes:
> > Yes, but neither choice is entirely satisfactory; if I keep my version, I
> > don't get
I wrote:
> You will be offered the choice of keeping your version or replacing it with
> the new version.
Celejar writes:
> Yes, but neither choice is entirely satisfactory; if I keep my version, I
> don't get any improvements the devs / maints have made, and if I choose
> the new one, I (may) hav
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:58:20 -0500
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wrote:
> > Manual changes to conffiles are preserved.
>
> Celejar writes:
> > Yes, but if you edit it by hand, then it won't be updated when a new
> > version becomes available.
>
> You will be offered the choice of ke
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:58:25 +0100
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> I find the little Konsole button on my panel at the top of my screen is
> one of the most used apps on my system. I love the command line.
I have a [Xfce] Terminal launcher on my [Xfce] panel, but I rarely use
it; m
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:47:00 +0100
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> Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:50:41 +0100
> > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >> You want vi? change /etc/prefereces/editor to symlin
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Cassiano Leal wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> Joe Hart wrote:
>>> What is the point of having all info stored in plain text files if
>>> one is
>>> supposed to only use tools to edit them?
>>
>> There is no such suppostion.
>
> Should I propose the opp
John Hasler wrote:
Joe Hart wrote:
What is the point of having all info stored in plain text files if one is
supposed to only use tools to edit them?
There is no such suppostion.
Should I propose the opposite way of thinking?
Instead of: "What is the point of having all info stored in plain
On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 14:58 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> I wrote:
> > Manual changes to conffiles are preserved.
>
> Celejar writes:
> > Yes, but if you edit it by hand, then it won't be updated when a new
> > version becomes available.
>
> You will be offered the choice of keeping your version or
Doug writes:
> I think this licencing problem is going to become critical at some point.
> I'm firmly in Debian's camp on this and am just waiting for the fine GNU
> people to put some invarient sections on actual code not just docs. I
> know, code is under GPL not GFDL, for now.
> Does Debian ha
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 04:32:33PM -0400, Marty wrote:
> Lack of, or outdated, man pages seems to be an increasing problem in Debian.
Yesterday there was a question on tar so I thought I'd read the man
page. Turns out there's only a basic man page and the full tar docs
aren't DFSG compatible an
Joe Hart wrote:
Some files (/etc/dchp3/dhclient.conf for example) are very well
commented, others (/etc/network/interfaces) are not. IMO, it would be
best if all config files were well commented, especially ones that may
need to be edited.
As far as standardizing conffile documentation, I wou
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> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:58:05 +0100
> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> John Hasler wrote:
>>> Joe Hart wrote:
What is the point of having all info stored in plain text
I wrote:
> Manual changes to conffiles are preserved.
Celejar writes:
> Yes, but if you edit it by hand, then it won't be updated when a new
> version becomes available.
You will be offered the choice of keeping your version or replacing it with
the new version.
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:58:05 +0100
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> John Hasler wrote:
> > Joe Hart wrote:
> >> What is the point of having all info stored in plain text files if one is
> >> supposed to only use tools to edit them?
> >
> >
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:52:11 -0500
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrei writes:
> > The tools are useful for common stuff that should be preserved across
> > upgrades. It would be a PITA to do them again (by hand) every time.
>
> Manual changes to conffiles are preserved.
Yes, but if
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John Hasler wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
>> What is the point of having all info stored in plain text files if one is
>> supposed to only use tools to edit them?
>
> There is no such suppostion.
Reference: OP
> Does any utility exist in Etch for [re]co
On Mar 15, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Mark Grieveson wrote:
None that I am aware of. You have to do it by hand.
Interesting trend. I suppose eventually we'll see the elimination
of alsaconf, printconf, installation scripts for the OS, etc.
We'll have to "do it by hand." Perhaps, in the futu
Joe Hart wrote:
> What is the point of having all info stored in plain text files if one is
> supposed to only use tools to edit them?
There is no such suppostion.
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 10:05:25PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
> > What is the point of having all info stored in plain text files if one
> > is supposed to only use tools to edit them? They might as well be
> > binary. Or is it perhaps so other tools can easily read them?
>
> I still would like to h
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Cassiano Leal wrote:
>> What is the point of having all info stored in plain text files if one
>> is supposed to only use tools to edit them? They might as well be
>> binary. Or is it perhaps so other tools can easily read them?
>
> You can easily e
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrei writes:
> > The tools are useful for common stuff that should be preserved
> > across upgrades. It would be a PITA to do them again (by hand)
> > every time.
>
> Manual changes to conffiles are preserved.
Actually apt will ask to preserve changes o
Andrei writes:
> The tools are useful for common stuff that should be preserved across
> upgrades. It would be a PITA to do them again (by hand) every time.
Manual changes to conffiles are preserved.
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What is the point of having all info stored in plain text files if one
is supposed to only use tools to edit them? They might as well be
binary. Or is it perhaps so other tools can easily read them?
You can easily edit them with whatever you want. If you do have a
frontend, like a configurato
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Joe Hart wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>
[snip]
>>> Since the activities of update-alternatives are quite involved, some
>>>specific terms will help to explain its operation.
>
> That may be true for some things, but IMO, not for everything.
>
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Celejar, let me ask you this, is it better to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> by hand to implement necessary changes or should one use
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg exclusively to build that file?
AFAICT, changes through dpkg-reconfigure will be preserved. But yo
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Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:50:41 +0100
> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> You want vi? change /etc/prefereces/editor to symlink vi and then visudo
>
> '/etc/alternatives'
Oops. I don't use it so I don't know it's na
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:50:41 +0100
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> You want vi? change /etc/prefereces/editor to symlink vi and then visudo
'/etc/alternatives'
> will run vi.
>
> I suppose one should use update-preferences to do that, but that's one
'update-alternatives'
> of th
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Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:11:04PM -0500, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
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>> It's one thing for myself to do it (I can use vi and emacs) but sometimes I
>> help other people who are less skilled to installs - sometimes over the
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:11:04PM -0500, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
>
> It's one thing for myself to do it (I can use vi and emacs) but sometimes I
> help other people who are less skilled to installs - sometimes over the phone
> - and it's makes me crazy to have to explain to them "ok, now type
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:11:04PM -0500, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
>
> >> > Etherconf disappeared in Etch - I don't know why.
> >> > Does any utility exist in Etch for [re]configuring the basic network
> >> > settings?
> >
> >> None that I am aware of. You have to do it by hand.
> >
> >
> >Interes
On Friday, 16.03.2007 at 13:11 -0500, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> In fact, what's been frustrating me about it is, I use static IPs on
> my network, but during the initial install the installer is latching
> onto our DHCP server, without even /asking/ me if I want to use DHCP -
> it's just assuming I
>> > Etherconf disappeared in Etch - I don't know why.
>> > Does any utility exist in Etch for [re]configuring the basic network
>> > settings?
>
>> None that I am aware of. You have to do it by hand.
>
>
>Interesting trend. I suppose eventually we'll see the elimination of
alsaconf, printconf
> > Etherconf disappeared in Etch - I don't know why.
> > Does any utility exist in Etch for [re]configuring the basic network
> > settings?
> > Not a Gnome or KDE utility, because I don't install X on a lot of my
> > boxes.
> None that I am aware of. You have to do it by hand.
Interesting
Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> Etherconf disappeared in Etch - I don't know why.
BTS is your friend for issues like this. I did a brief search and found that
the package has been orphaned upstream. So it was orphaned+removed in
debian as well.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379032
>
Jonathan Wilson wrote:
Hello,
On Debian Sarge, I used to use "dpkg-reconfigure etherconf" to reconfigure the
network settings after the basic install was finished (if I needed to change
the settings).
Just in case you don't know, "dpkg-reconfigure etherconf" brought up an
ncurses interface
Hello,
On Debian Sarge, I used to use "dpkg-reconfigure etherconf" to reconfigure the
network settings after the basic install was finished (if I needed to change
the settings).
Just in case you don't know, "dpkg-reconfigure etherconf" brought up an
ncurses interface for configuring network se
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