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Systemd-Free Debian "Devuan" Planning Their First Developer Gathering This
Spring
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> On 13/2/19 3:14 am, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
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>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 01:47:20AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan
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> Did I miss 4 years of posts or did you (accidentally?) r
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 01:47:20AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Did I miss 4 years of posts or did you (accidentally?) reply to a 4
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On 11/2/19 4:40 am, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 03:55:04AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Which, in turn, has xml, central database, socket activation and
> very rudimentary dependency resolution. I don't remember off-hand
> which o
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 03:55:04AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
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> On 10/2/19 11:17 pm, Reco wrote:
> >> Okay, I've watched it now. I am not convinced that his idea of
> >> "create this or that yourself" is a fair retort.
> >
> > T
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On 10/2/19 11:17 pm, Reco wrote:
>> Okay, I've watched it now. I am not convinced that his idea of
>> "create this or that yourself" is a fair retort.
>
> There are historical precedents. AIX's init inspired Solaris' SMF
> which in turn inspi
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 01:48:35PM +, mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-02-10 12:17, Reco wrote:
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> >No. See SCO vs IBM case. Linux is not Unix, and never has been.
>
> wasn't it IBM gave Minix away and Torvalds used that as a base ?
Oh, no. Minix is Andrew Tannenbaum's project, has nothing to do
Hi.
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 01:48:35PM +, mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-02-10 12:17, Reco wrote:
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> > No. See SCO vs IBM case. Linux is not Unix, and never has been.
>
> wasn't it IBM gave Minix away and Torvalds used that as a base ?
But it wasn't enough to make a Unix from Linux. T
On Sun, 2019-02-10 at 13:48 +, mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-02-10 12:17, Reco wrote:
>
> > No. See SCO vs IBM case. Linux is not Unix, and never has been.
>
> wasn't it IBM gave Minix away and Torvalds used that as a base ?
>
According to Linus himself, it does not use Minix code.
https://g
On 2019-02-10 12:17, Reco wrote:
No. See SCO vs IBM case. Linux is not Unix, and never has been.
wasn't it IBM gave Minix away and Torvalds used that as a base ?
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> On 10/2/19 6:44 pm, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> > On 10/2/19 10:28 am, chris wrote:
> >> so relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo
> >
> > I'
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On 10/2/19 6:44 pm, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 10/2/19 10:28 am, chris wrote:
>> so relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo
>
> I've seen references to that video and have not yet watched it.
>
> I also understand that people ha
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>> On 22/06/2015 11:49 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
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If it quacks like a duck, it's a ...
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> On 22/06/2015 11:49 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > Andrew McGlashan writes:
> >> If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
> >>
> >> I absolutely a
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On 10/2/19 10:28 am, chris wrote:
> so relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo
I've seen references to that video and have not yet watched it.
I also understand that people have differing views on what the
presenter concludes or r
so relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Andrew McGlashan writes:
> > If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
> >
> > I absolutely agree with the post that systemd is a "cancer"
>
> And I think Debia
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:27:07AM +0200, claude juif wrote:
> 2015-06-23 11:17 GMT+02:00 :
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:52:20AM +0200, claude juif wrote:
[...]
> > > You have lot of docs here. From what i see, it's all about change.
> >
> > I stro
2015-06-23 11:17 GMT+02:00 :
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> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:52:20AM +0200, claude juif wrote:
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> [...]
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> > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
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> Agreed. As I posted elsewhere, lack of documentation is not something
> which system
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> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
Agreed. As I posted elsewhere, lack of documentation is not something
which systemd can be accused of.
> You have lot of docs her
2015-06-22 19:02 GMT+02:00 Erwan David :
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 06:27:16PM CEST, to...@tuxteam.de said:
> >
> > My take is: I am a fan of Debian. I don't want systemd on "my" computer.
> > Systemd is the default, and their proponents are no idiots and I assume
> > good intentions. I accept that
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05:28PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Dan Ritter writes:
> > People only complain about systemd being a cancer if they love
> > the Debian system otherwise.
> [...]
> > Remember that every time you tell people to go use s
Le 20 juin 2015 19:21, "Jean-Marc" a écrit :
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> Sat, 20 Jun 2015 07:43:53 -0400
> Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI écrivait :
>
> > On my Raspberry Pi, locate finds me a shitload of systemd files; yet ps
aux -A | grep systemd does not show anything.
>
> Are you f*cking sure ?
>
> Can you check what is your
On 06/22/2015 09:16 PM, Zebediah C. McClure wrote:
I'm sure it's going to continue, There should be a place for this problem
though. I took a quick look at the debian bug-tracker and it looks more like a
collection of mailing lists.
After looking at how systemd does things, I'd rather have the
On Jun 22, 2015 9:16 PM, "Zebediah C. McClure" wrote:
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> I'm sure it's going to continue, There should be a place for this problem
> though. I took a quick look at the debian bug-tracker and it looks more
like a
> collection of mailing lists.
>
> After looking at how systemd does things, I'd rat
I'm sure it's going to continue, There should be a place for this problem
though. I took a quick look at the debian bug-tracker and it looks more like a
collection of mailing lists.
After looking at how systemd does things, I'd rather have the bug read,
"Remove as default" instead of fixing bu
Just tired of seeing the debate brought up along w/ any and every
systemd (and sometimes not even mildly related) issue. I wish there's
a debian-systemd list for everyone who still wants to have this debate
or see it improved / removed (and maybe there is and it should be
advertised better).
On Mo
+1
On Jun 22, 2015 7:24 PM, "Zebediah C. McClure" wrote:
> On Monday 22 June 2015 18:30:56 shawn wilson wrote:
> > On Jun 22, 2015 4:39 PM, "Dan Ritter" wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05:28PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > > > Dan Ritter writes:
> > > > > People only complain about
On Monday 22 June 2015 18:30:56 shawn wilson wrote:
> On Jun 22, 2015 4:39 PM, "Dan Ritter" wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05:28PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > > Dan Ritter writes:
> > > > People only complain about systemd being a cancer if they love
> > > > the Debian system otherw
On Jun 22, 2015 4:39 PM, "Dan Ritter" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05:28PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > Dan Ritter writes:
> > > People only complain about systemd being a cancer if they love
> > > the Debian system otherwise.
> > [...]
> > > Remember that every time you tell peopl
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 10:05:28PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Dan Ritter writes:
> > People only complain about systemd being a cancer if they love
> > the Debian system otherwise.
> [...]
> > Remember that every time you tell people to go use something
> > else, you are saying that they are
Dan Ritter writes:
> People only complain about systemd being a cancer if they love
> the Debian system otherwise.
[...]
> Remember that every time you tell people to go use something
> else, you are saying that they are not valued members of the
> community.
I do indeed not consider people with
On 22/06/15 18:02, Erwan David wrote:
What is the use of this libsystemd0 you get even when systemd was
never installed ?
Utility functions for programs designed to be run in a systemd-based
environment, or to run in many environments but also take advantage of
capabilities offered by a syste
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 18:09:43 +0200
wrote:
> > > But let's not forget they are writing *free software*, and just therefore
> > > they deserve a *thank you*. Even if we choose to not use this software.
> >
> > Even if, by hook or by crook, they are intent on imposing the use of the
> > free sof
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 06:27:16PM CEST, to...@tuxteam.de said:
>
> My take is: I am a fan of Debian. I don't want systemd on "my" computer.
> Systemd is the default, and their proponents are no idiots and I assume
> good intentions. I accept that their viewpoint is as valid as mine.
>
> So it is
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> > But please, please: don't pour hate on people writing free
> > software. This
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On 23/06/2015 1:43 AM, Martin Read wrote:
> On 22/06/15 15:32, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> But from the tone of the messages, I think its clear that it
>> should have spent another 6 months on the back table in a lab
>> someplace, getting the kinks worked
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 11:47:06AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:31:02 +0200
> wrote:
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> > But let's not forget they are writing *free software*, and just therefore
> > they deserve a *thank you*. Even if we choose to not use
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On 23/06/2015 12:31 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> But please, please: don't pour hate on people writing free
> software. This is not helping anyone (well, it is helping those not
> wanting free software to succeed!).
Unfortunately it's not that simp
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 16:31:02 +0200
wrote:
> But let's not forget they are writing *free software*, and just therefore
> they deserve a *thank you*. Even if we choose to not use this software.
Even if, by hook or by crook, they are intent on imposing the use of the free
software ?
Which means w
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On 22/06/2015 11:49 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Andrew McGlashan writes:
>> If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
>>
>> I absolutely agree with the post that systemd is a "cancer"
>
> And I think Debian can do fine with
2015-06-22 16:56 GMT+02:00 Darac Marjal :
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 03:22:30PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 22 June 2015 14:49:39 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > > Andrew McGlashan writes:
> > > > If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
> > > >
> > > > I absolutely agr
On 22/06/15 15:32, Gene Heskett wrote:
But from the tone of the messages, I think its clear that it should have
spent another 6 months on the back table in a lab someplace, getting the
kinks worked out so the end result for the unwary user who has not
encountered it before, will not be encounteri
Le 22/06/2015 16:22, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> Using Debian, or any other FLOSS software, is not compulsory. Manners
> and gratitude to those who work for us for nothing are - or should be.
> Lisi
Problem is not everybody think they work for Us, those who where debian
users far before they came to l
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 03:22:30PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 22 June 2015 14:49:39 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > Andrew McGlashan writes:
> > > If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
> > >
> > > I absolutely agree with the post that systemd is a "cancer"
> >
> > And
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 03:22:30PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 22 June 2015 14:49:39 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > Andrew McGlashan writes:
> > > If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
> > >
> > > I absolutely agree with the post that systemd is a "cancer"
> >
> > And
"Using Debian, or any other FLOSS software, is not compulsory. Manners and
gratitude to those who work for us for nothing are - or should be."
Right on, Lisi, thank you.
Terence
On 22 June 2015 at 15:22, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 22 June 2015 14:49:39 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > Andrew Mc
On Monday 22 June 2015 09:49:39 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Andrew McGlashan writes:
> > If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
> >
> > I absolutely agree with the post that systemd is a "cancer"
>
> And I think Debian can do fine without people who only contribute
> toxic beh
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 03:49:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Andrew McGlashan writes:
> > If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
> >
> > I absolutely agree with the post that systemd is a "cancer"
>
> And I think Debian
On Monday 22 June 2015 14:49:39 Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Andrew McGlashan writes:
> > If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
> >
> > I absolutely agree with the post that systemd is a "cancer"
>
> And I think Debian can do fine without people who only contribute toxic
> beh
Andrew McGlashan writes:
> If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, plain and simple.
>
> I absolutely agree with the post that systemd is a "cancer"
And I think Debian can do fine without people who only contribute toxic
behaviour. And yes, calling other projects a cancer is just that.
Ansga
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On 22/06/2015 5:38 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> chris writes:
>> systemd is a cancer that you should completely eradicate
>> especially on a system like that
>
> Please follow Debian's Code of Conduct[1] (or just basic manners)
> on Debian's maili
chris writes:
> systemd is a cancer that you should completely eradicate especially on a
> system like that
Please follow Debian's Code of Conduct[1] (or just basic manners) on
Debian's mailing lists. Calling free software projects a "cancer" is not
appropriate whether you like them or not.
Ansg
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 06:39:46PM -0400, chris wrote:
> systemd is a cancer that you should completely eradicate especially on a
> system like that
> On my Raspberry Pi, locate finds me a shitload of systemd files; yet ps
> aux -A | grep systemd does not show anything.
>
> Does this mean I can g
systemd is a cancer that you should completely eradicate especially on a
system like that
On my Raspberry Pi, locate finds me a shitload of systemd files; yet ps
aux -A | grep systemd does not show anything.
Does this mean I can get rid of all those systemd files, to clear some
space on the stora
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 10:09:29PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> And he's certainly not a newbie.
Word dat.
What's needed are more subscribers with your flair for colorful
expletives. I mean, "codswallop?" How marvellous!
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Am 20.06.2015 um 21:42 schrieb Helio Loureiro:
> Hi,
>
> By default it boots by /sbin/init. Actually it reads "/boot/cmdline" to
> boot. It generally points to init system defined on entry "append
> init=/sbin/init".
>
> But... systemd made my raspbian unusable. Even reboot failed cause some
>
On Saturday 20 June 2015 21:41:53 Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 03:19:57PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> > At first the need was to prop up a low signal to noise ratio.
> > Now the need has expanded.
>
> Oh dear. Looking back now on this thread I see missed completely
> the OP's po
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 03:19:57PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> At first the need was to prop up a low signal to noise ratio.
> Now the need has expanded.
Oh dear. Looking back now on this thread I see missed completely
the OP's potty-mouth. Shame on me!
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On 2015-06-20, Jean-Marc wrote:
>> There are snarky answers and there are also snarky questions.
>
> Wohoho ! I was just joking in reaction with some rude words.
Exactly what I thought and meant.
> I understood too late this is not the right place for second degree humour.
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On Saturday 20 June 2015 14:27:34 Curt wrote:
> On 2015-06-20, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > This list has a well earned reputation for snarky answers, but this
> > is too much. Learn to be civil or go harrass your cat & see if it
> > cares.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> There are snarky answers and
Hi,
By default it boots by /sbin/init. Actually it reads "/boot/cmdline" to
boot. It generally points to init system defined on entry "append
init=/sbin/init".
But... systemd made my raspbian unusable. Even reboot failed cause some
dependency wasn't match.
I installed sysvinit instead and poi
Sat, 20 Jun 2015 18:27:34 + (UTC)
Curt écrivait :
> On 2015-06-20, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > This list has a well earned reputation for snarky answers, but this is
> > too much. Learn to be civil or go harrass your cat & see if it cares.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> There are snarky
On 2015-06-20, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> This list has a well earned reputation for snarky answers, but this is
> too much. Learn to be civil or go harrass your cat & see if it cares.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
There are snarky answers and there are also snarky questions.
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On Saturday 20 June 2015 13:04:16 Jean-Marc wrote:
> Sat, 20 Jun 2015 07:43:53 -0400
>
> Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI écrivait :
> > On my Raspberry Pi, locate finds me a shitload of systemd files; yet
> > ps aux -A | grep systemd does not show anything.
>
> Are you f*cking sure ?
>
> Can you check what i
Sat, 20 Jun 2015 07:43:53 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI écrivait :
> On my Raspberry Pi, locate finds me a shitload of systemd files; yet ps aux
> -A | grep systemd does not show anything.
Are you f*cking sure ?
Can you check what is your bl*dy init ?
>
> Does this mean I can get rid of all tho
On Sat, 2015-06-20 at 07:43 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On my Raspberry Pi, locate finds me a shitload of systemd files; yet
> ps aux -A | grep systemd does not show anything.
>
> Does this mean I can get rid of all those systemd files, to clear
> some space on the storage memory card ?
Your
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 07:43:53AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On my Raspberry Pi, locate finds me a shitload of systemd files; yet ps aux
> -A | grep systemd does not show anything.
>
> Does this mean I can get rid of all those systemd files, to clear some space
> on the storage memory card
On my Raspberry Pi, locate finds me a shitload of systemd files; yet ps aux -A
| grep systemd does not show anything.
Does this mean I can get rid of all those systemd files, to clear some space on
the storage memory card ?
Cheers,
Ron.
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