Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-03-06 Thread Stayvoid
Hello. It worked! I ran apt-get update; apt-get -f upgrade; apt-get install xorg. Now I want to find out which packages are really needed. Because xorg installed a lot of stuff. Thanks for your help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscr

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-03-06 Thread Stayvoid
> ..firmware? > arnt@celsius:~$ dpkg -l |grep firmware-linux > ii firmware-linux 0.35 > Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (meta-package) > ii firmware-linux-free 3 > Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel > ii firmware

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-03-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 02:36:03 +0300, Stayvoid wrote in message : > > This suggests something is missing from your kernel. ..firmware? arnt@celsius:~$ dpkg -l |grep firmware-linux ii firmware-linux 0.35 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (meta-package) ii

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-29 Thread Brian
On Wed 29 Feb 2012 at 23:48:22 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: > This guide wasn't helpful. "modprobe nouveau" outputs nothing and It wouldn't output anything if the module was already in place. > there is no nouveau module in the output of "lsmod." But nouveau That is extremely surprising considering y

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-29 Thread Stayvoid
> This suggests something is missing from your kernel. Could you be more specific? Will it help if I paste my .config? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 29 feb 12, 23:48:22, Stayvoid wrote: > > This guide wasn't helpful. "modprobe nouveau" outputs nothing and > there is no nouveau module in the output of "lsmod." But nouveau > appears in the output of "lspci -vv." This suggests something is missing from your kernel. > Let's try to fix it

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-29 Thread Stayvoid
> Earlier you mentioned > http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting > > did you check the section that applies to this error? > http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting#Xorg_fails_to_start_with_.22.28EE.29_.5Bdrm.5D_failed_to_open_device.22 This guide wasn't helpful. "modprobe

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 29 feb 12, 05:21:03, Stayvoid wrote: > (EE) [drm] failed to open device > (EE) No devices detected. Earlier you mentioned http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting did you check the section that applies to this error? http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting#Xorg_fai

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-28 Thread Stayvoid
> Please attach your /var/log/Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 xorg-server 2:1.7.7-14 (Julien Cristau ) Current version of pixman: 0.25.1 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-27 Thread Nick Lidakis
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 08:57:22PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > While I admire the work the Nouveau guys are doing, after suffering for > more than 4 years with an Nvidia GPU+chipset on my desktop, I just > replaced the motherboard with a one based on the AMD E350 fusion chip, > and suddenly all

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
While I admire the work the Nouveau guys are doing, after suffering for more than 4 years with an Nvidia GPU+chipset on my desktop, I just replaced the motherboard with a one based on the AMD E350 fusion chip, and suddenly all my problems are gone. One of the best $200 I've spent recently. Only re

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-27 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 28 feb 12, 02:39:44, Stayvoid wrote: > I've tried to use both packages, but I can't make X work. > startx fails with (EE) [drm] failed to open device. > > I tried to look through the kernel options, asked people about it, > read a man page on troubleshooting [1], but all my attempts were >

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-27 Thread Stayvoid
I've tried to use both packages, but I can't make X work. startx fails with (EE) [drm] failed to open device. I tried to look through the kernel options, asked people about it, read a man page on troubleshooting [1], but all my attempts were unsuccesful. [1] http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Tr

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-03 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:19:44 +, lee wrote: > Camaleón writes: >>> Hum, did you ever try to get X11 to work with an ATI mach32 or mach64 >>> or, later, a Matrox G200, about 15 years ago? >> >> My first linux box (SuSE Linux 8.2) was installed on a Matrox G450, >> IIRC. I had to do nothing, it

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-03 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:59:47 +, Brian wrote: > On Thu 02 Feb 2012 at 12:57:50 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: >> >> > Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... >> >> No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? > > Yes, really. It's such an impro

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread lee
Camaleón writes: > On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: > >> Camaleón writes: >> >>> having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It >>> never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I >>> don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg exis

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread Brian
On Thu 02 Feb 2012 at 12:57:50 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: > > > Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... > > No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? Yes, really. It's such an improvement on the past. Nouveau gets the console resolution right

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 12:57 +, Camaleón wrote: > openSUSE I started using Linux with Suse 9.0 and even today I've got an outdated 11.2 install. Suse supports settings for exotic German monitors, that are unsupported by the X "calculators" in the Internet. I agree that it was easier to set up

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's > more un-libre. I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. Aren't you conflating Apple hardware and OS?1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ.

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-02 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: > Camaleón writes: > >> having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It >> never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I >> don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg existed). > > Hum, did you eve

Re: OT: Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 06:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:28 +, lee wrote: > > Remember your huge 14 or > > 15" CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the > > frequencies too high > > I still need to read some older replies, but I can't resist to

OT: Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:28 +, lee wrote: > Remember your huge 14 or > 15" CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the > frequencies too high I still need to read some older replies, but I can't resist to answer OT now. I'm a dino and trillions years ago it was possible

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread lee
Camaleón writes: > having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It > never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I > don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg existed). Hum, did you ever try to get X11 to work with an ATI mach32 or mach64 or, l

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-02-01 05:41 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: >> What version of Debian do you have installed? > I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). That's certainly not optimal, you need something newer for your card. >> What Nvidia graphics? > NVIDIA GeForce 330M This seems to be an NVA5 chip for

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-02-01 12:42 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: >> Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's >> more un-libre. > I can't go back in time, but I can change the future. > >> I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. > It's a matter of principle. I'd recommen

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:50:53 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: > I don't want to use non-free software. That's a curious statement coming from a Mac user >:-) Then consider using the Intel card and the Intel driver (if you can). Intel is the only manufacturer that develops an open source driver for their

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2012-01-31 20:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a >> borked Nvidia driver for X. > > This "borked" driver works fine for me. YMMV, of course. > > Sven, > maintaine

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-01-31 15:28:19 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Gilbert Sullivan wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > > Sven Joachim wrote: > > >> Sven, > > >> maintainer of the "borked" package > > > > > > Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. > > > > + 1 to this. > > +1 from me as well. I a

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Stayvoid
> Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's > more un-libre. I can't go back in time, but I can change the future. > I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. It's a matter of principle. Thanks for the links. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 13:50 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: > I don't want to use non-free software. On a "regular non-Mac-PC" the nouveau driver very often doesn't work, but even if it should work for you, take a look at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ , http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/MesaDriver

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Stayvoid
I don't want to use non-free software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_gthf+khz8wyepvcbkpvk9xotf4lkib7ojniffy3un...@mail.gmail.com

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-02-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 07:41 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: > Hello! > > > What version of Debian do you have installed? > I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). > > > What Nvidia graphics? > NVIDIA GeForce 330M + Intel HD > > > What computer? > MacBookPro6,2 Phew! Take a look at https://hel

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Stayvoid
Hello! > What version of Debian do you have installed? I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). > What Nvidia graphics? NVIDIA GeForce 330M + Intel HD > What computer? MacBookPro6,2 > Do you need perfect, very fast 3D acceleration? Yep, but the drivers should be free. > What screen r

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Bob Proulx
Gilbert Sullivan wrote: > Brian wrote: > > Sven Joachim wrote: > >> Sven, > >> maintainer of the "borked" package > > > > Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. > > + 1 to this. +1 from me as well. I am happily using the nouveau package and driver on several machines. I

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Gilbert Sullivan
On 01/31/2012 03:07 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> Sven, >> maintainer of the "borked" package > > Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. > > + 1 to this. Many thanks to Sven, not only for his work as a package maintai

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 19:45 +, Brian wrote: > On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: > > > Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server > > itself? > > If you know you have an Nvidia card install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau > first. Camaleón asked for

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Brian
On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > Sven, > maintainer of the "borked" package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@l

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Brian
On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: > Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? If you know you have an Nvidia card install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject o

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-01-31 20:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a borked > Nvidia driver for X. This "borked" driver works fine for me. YMMV, of course. Sven, maintainer of the "borked" package -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 19:47 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: > Hello there! > > What's the difference between these packages? > > > Cheers. xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a borked Nvidia driver for X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: >> In brief, the former will install (by dependencies) the full Xorg >> server with all of the VGA drivers... > Will it install Nouveau this way? Which one, "xserver-xorg"? Yes, it will. And lot of additional stuff you may or may not want. >

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Stayvoid
> In brief, the former will install (by dependencies) the full Xorg server > with all of the VGA drivers... Will it install Nouveau this way? Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:47:29 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: > What's the difference between these packages? You can go here, search and read: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages *** Package: xserver-xorg (1:7.5+8+squeeze1) the X.Org X server This package depends on the full suite of the server and

Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau

2012-01-31 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-01-31 17:47 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: > What's the difference between these packages? See the package descriptions. The xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package contains a video driver for NVidia cards, while xserver-xorg is a metapackage that depends on all necessary parts of the X window system